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01-09-2003, 04:32 PM
Hey kai, question man. When u got ur rods done did they have to be custom made.Im guessing they did. Do they do that by making a new mold. Im seeing b/c if i get them made i was hoping to find a place that already had them. Since ur the only guy that i know that has them in there c70 i fig u could give me pointer. <br> <br> Also the pistons in our car. If i was to get new rods could i still use my stock ones? Or should i go ahead and do them too while the engine is out. If i cant get pistons, what restriction am i goiong to have. Is it pointless to upgrade the rods and not the pistons. Some good info would be nice man. . Thanks. Later, Rob<BR><BR>
[Modified by Volvo_C70_Nashville, 10:34 PM 1-9-2003]
01-09-2003, 09:45 PM
You might want to try to get ahold of some catalogs from various piston manufacturers to see if there's anything close to the Volvo rod. For example, you might find a rod with a length that will work that only takes some machining to make it fit the crank. Then the size & location of the pin can be determined by the rod for some custom pistons. This might cut the cost from having both the pistons and rods custom made, since off the shelf aftermarket rods will a lot be cheaper.
Last time I heard someone who wanted the same rods from the company, they told him they didn't have any record anymore. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emcrook.gif" BORDER="0"> Don't know what's up with that.<p>Yeah, sure you can keep on using your old pistons, but WHY? You have the whole thing apart already anyway. I'm sure at that point few more hundred dollars is probably not your major concern anymore. It's not pointless not to do it, just waste of money in a way. More like waste of chance..?<p>Email this guy, AaronJHehr@aol.com, rumor has that he got close to 400 hp (not sure crank or wheel hp) w/o changing his internal. And got some secret turbo that he wouldn't tell others. Supposedly a T3/T4 that can do 600 hp (thought the biggest t3/t4 can only get up to 550hp?) and designed by him...top secret stuff.<IMG SRC="http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>So, in that case, he might the the right guy you want to talk to. My setup wasn't good enough to go higher power w/o bending rod.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>BTW, just keep this btwn you and me...he doesn't want others to know what he has.
01-10-2003, 10:12 AM
sure thing Kai . Thanks man
01-10-2003, 01:25 PM
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Problem is autotech's pistons & rods package is too damn expensive. I think Rob has already checked out that option with Carlos (TAP, Autotech's US Distributor).
01-10-2003, 04:54 PM
Yeah i checkede with that. Kai is right They are asking for a crazy amount of money. I think they want 2000+ just for rods. Im looking into another alternitives. Moly Rods are what im looking into at the moment. If u guys find anything let me know. <p>Also kai. I need to move my battery to the trunk. Did u run into any problems doing that? Was it a easy task? <p>ok did the conversion. For rods they are 3000... and pistons are 4000 ... That is insane Absolutly crazy. For 4000 i could get everything and have it installed... The only thing i will get from them is a Intercooler. Other than that i dont think the prices fair.<br>
01-11-2003, 03:53 AM
The prices on ATech's website are are based on a complete engine overhaul including the mentioned rods and pistons..<br>The engine has to be send to them.<br>Prices I had for rods were between 190 and 540 dollar p/p (titanium) depending on supplier and material used.<br>Pistons go between 100 and 160 p/p incl. rings.
01-11-2003, 09:30 PM
I am looking into Crower Rods. Dont know enough now to post but ill be looking into it
01-12-2003, 10:02 PM
Crower's are $180 per rod, just like Pauter and Cunningham rods.<br>Made of E-4340 chrome-molly forged rods, any of these rod manufacturers that you choose are good. Kai has Cunninghams and I ordered Carrillo rods, a bit more expensinve but will do the same job.<p>Pistons run from $550 to $700 for the set with rings. The only hurdle is that they will need a sample of your current engine rod and piston to avoid problems, remember parts are custom made and they will not take them back unless a major manufacturer defect!!!.<p>Email me if you have more questions.<br>Ralph.
How much did you pay for the Carrillo? When I was ordering mine, I checked, they were offering somewhere around $190~195. Sounds about right? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Unless you are getting Titanium ones..... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmileo.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Where are you getting your pistons? So you are going all out this time, eh? Can't wait to see your result.
01-13-2003, 11:46 AM
Last time I asked they were $319 per rod.<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Current manufacturing time is about 8-9 weeks.<br>Your cost as an individual direct is $319.00 per rod.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>This was Mai 2002<p> <IMG SRC="http://home.planet.nl/~dijkstra/images/carrillo.jpg" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Last time I asked they were $319 per rod.<p>Current manufacturing time is about 8-9 weeks.<br>Your cost as an individual direct is $319.00 per rod.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>How can you quote that first line from me when I didn't even say that.....?<p>Or you were just simply replying my comment about the Ti rods?
01-13-2003, 12:07 PM
Looks a little strange yes.., I quoted the e-mail I received from Carrillo.<br>Sorry for the confusion.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0">
Heheh..no problem, just being picky on you, that's all. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>The price is for the Titanium ones, right?
01-13-2003, 01:34 PM
no?<p>Titanium was somewhere around $540 per rod last time I heard.<br>I didn't aquire this price myself, someone told me.<br>I think they were Cunningham.
Hmm...maybe you should ask them yourself. I believe their regular rods are about $193 or $195 a piece. I remember it was not much more than the Cunningham that I ordered, but chose Cunningham since the shop works with them more closely.
01-13-2003, 05:33 PM
Yeah. I talked to Crower today. For the rods it would be 888 and for the pistons it would be around 800. Not as bad as i thought. Labor is whats going to kill me. I cant have my car down for 8 weeks right now. So ill just set these fund aside and continue with the 19T. Since im all set now all i have to do is slap it on, Do a air/fuel and send my ecu away. Should i give upsolute a try at it. I would feel better letting RICA do it since that have done them already. I should be happy at 300+ wheel hp with the 19t. Kai ur ride must be sickly fast...Enjoy! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> later guys, Rob
So, how are you going to make sure they are going to make the right rods and pistons? If you are not going to send them yours, then you want send them one extra set of the right parts supposedly for your car and send them out?<p>I thought these engines have different configuration and combo for rods and pistons.<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Kai ur ride must be sickly fast...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br>Only if they knew. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> I don't exactly have the biggest turbo around, but definitely more than enough for this car....and definitely bigger than 19T. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"><br>
01-13-2003, 08:42 PM
Mmm. U deserve it tho. Im sure it wasnt a easy task. But im sure well worth it when everything is complete.
01-13-2003, 09:20 PM
quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Last time I asked they were $319 per rod.<br>Current manufacturing time is about 8-9 weeks.<br>Your cost as an individual direct is $319.00 per rod.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>That is correct ladies and gentlemen $319 per rod chrome-molly not titanium, if you have a shop buy it for you, they will give you a price break.<p>Go for Crower or Cunningham's. I spoke with Mr. Cunningham directly and he's a great and hard working man, he still works on the shop floor and his prices are great $180 per rod.<br>As for pistons who quoted you $800, that's steep, I bet it was JE?<p>They quoted me $730 for my set but I haven't ordered my pistons yet. I might go with Wiseco, same manufacturer that A-Tech uses for $110 per piston, the only problem is that they will only sell two sets at a time(10 pistons for our cars), so when ever you're up for it let me know and I'll give you the point of contact at Wiseco, maybe we can ordered it at the same time.<br>Ralph.
01-14-2003, 03:23 PM
Hmm.. that would work good. Not a bad price at all. Except i dont know which ones i need. And i dont know i i can crank open the engine right this second.
01-14-2003, 07:37 PM
Johann. I spoke to Adam on the phone about RICA doing a possible ecu. He stated that we will use ur ecu map when u had the 19T. And if i dont see over 270hp at the wheels, i should send it back in. But he said everything is identical. The price seems high, But i cant complain about those things now. It want to do this correctly. So we came to the conclusion that i shall let Upsolute Make me a map. He says hes pretty confident with there work. But if all fails RICA will take over. We also talked about the unitek ecu. Im interested in this and is there dealer here in the us. Basicly its another ecu that piggy backs on to the one u have now right?. And i here its all down on a dyno . I heard this chip was pretty damn good. Could u guys give out some more info on it. Would love to know more. Other than that i guess things are moving smoothly. Thanks for the info guys, Rob<BR><BR>
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