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Pod thing looks even worse up close. Cut a hole in the dash, then add layers of plastic all for a small LCD screen.Why not just craft the center stack to be 1" taller and blend into the dash?
Just dumb.
Thankx for the pics, car looks good! Could you compare the size of the NAV screen to other volvo cars, like the s80; whats the size? It doesnt look too big since the screen doesnt fill in the box its recessed in...
I didnt notice the ACC bracket in the grill while viewing the pics...
Quote, originally posted by jwv50 »
XC90 and XC60This picture makes it look like the XC60 is the same size, if not bigger than the XC90. How can that be? If the XC60 is supposed to target the X3 and the LR3, it seems like it should be the same size.
I'm going to go check the overall measurements now to see what it says.
I have to say, that XC60 is one smart looking vehicle.
Here's the measurements:
XC90 XC60 X3 LR3
Height 70.2" 67.4" 66" 74.5"
Length 189.3" 182.2" 179.9" 190.9"
Width 74.7" 74.5" 73" 75.4"
Wheelbase 112.6" 109.2" 110.1" 113.6"
I would have never thought the LR3 was bigger than an XC90!
Modified by jc4511 at 10:53 AM 9-25-2008
I do not see it.
XC60 is obviously lower than 90, and because it is of the same width, it appears wider (higher w/h ratio).Picture looks right to me...
Thanks for the pics.
That blanked off section where the Nav unit goes is ridiculous.
Especially with The Pod perched on top of it.Was there no way to better integrate the radio display? Make the center stack taller? Shape the dash around it?
That's a big hole in the dash plus a big plastic shell just for an LCD to tell you what radio station is playing.
Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax » Thanks for the pics.
That blanked off section where the Nav unit goes is ridiculous.TOTALLY ridiculous. Looks like an 80s korean stripper w/ no radio or something. This could be a deal breaker for me because I will never be one to spend $2k on nav when basically the only place I drive in my own car (non-rentals) is in areas that I know. I was sure that non-Nav models would delte the top pod (just have a speaker or grille there) and have the nav display location be the radio/aircon display as on the Nissan Murano, Lexus RX, et al. Why volvo moved away from the pop-up nav as on the S60/80 is 100% beyond me.
i'm just curious if you can mount an aftermarket gps unit in that blank spot to fill it up and save $2k. seems like it's possible.
Quote, originally posted by pierola » i'm just curious if you can mount an aftermarket gps unit in that blank spot to fill it up and save $2k. seems like it's possible. I've wondered the same thing. A nuvi could fit there nicely. Only problem is that I rarely use our Nuvi and I really don't want a nav system staring me in the face all the time and maybe even inviting a smashed window and theft. IMO, Volvo's old design with the pop up screens really was the best design out there, unfortunately, i thought it was WAY overpriced and vastly underfeatured and burdened with an inferior screen.
One possibility is that maybe those who designed the dash were assuming that by the time they got here, Volvo would actually be able to offer a nav/audio integrated system. One screen that can show nav, audio, ac, etc. It seems almost everybody else, at least everybody I can think of, already offers this. Is volvo the ONLY company left that still basically has a stand alone nav system? And I'm not talking about integration with audio muting or steering wheel buttons. I mean a nav system whose screen can show other vehicle functions besides JUST nav and backup camera. Then they wouldn't have needed that stupid pod on the dash. It looks like the dash (excluding the pod) got ahead of volvo and in the end volvo stuffed the dash with all their old electronics and had to add that pod for the audio/ac display.
Still, it would be nice if they had a slightly bigger, nicer audio/ac display for non-nav cars that could go where the nav would be instead of keeping the audio/ac up top. As a plus, non-nav cars would then look better than nav cars since they wouldn't need the pod.
A good installer might even be able to remove the screen from the pod, put it into the blank, and fashion a center channel speaker grille to replace the pod plastic. Although that display is kind of small for all that empty flat plastic.
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Nice pics, just don't show the floating centre consol, its sickening what the designers have done. And that pod on top looks like the stupid set up Ford put in that car they call the Focus in North America.I guess the N.A Volvo dealers will not be ordering XC60 without NAV.
Quote, originally posted by pattyweb » A good installer might even be able to remove the screen from the pod, put it into the blank, and fashion a center channel speaker grille to replace the pod plastic. Although that display is kind of small for all that empty flat plastic.
You can kiss your warranty (re: any electronic displays) goodbye with such plan.
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You can kiss your warranty (re: any electronic displays) goodbye with such plan.I have no doubt about that!
Just presenting it as an option to those that like the XC60 but consider the non-nav dash or pod a dealbreaker. I don't think anybody would actually go that far though to move the screen. Just a simple idea.
But at the same time, it has to make one wonder about Volvo's abilities. Without a doubt, the pod is controversial. Leaving an obvious blank spot where the nav would go???
Volvo could just as easily dump the pod for non-nav cars and more nicely integrate that screen where the blank is.
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98 V70 T5M
Quote, originally posted by pattyweb »
Volvo could just as easily dump the pod for non-nav cars and more nicely integrate that screen where the blank is.Cost issue. You would have 2 different dashboard covers. that is probably why they did the pod in the first place. A small plastic insert in the Nav screen area is a lot cheaper than a new dash cover.
I know I keep asking this question, but no answers yet...Why not just make the center stack taller, with room both both the Nav and radio displays, then blend the back of it into the dash?
You would still have a blank space with no Nav, but at least the overall appearance would be much more integrated.
That is one big hole in the dash and a big plastic shell just for a small LCD screen.
Idiocy.
Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax »
Cost issue. You would have 2 different dashboard covers. that is probably why they did the pod in the first place. A small plastic insert in the Nav screen area is a lot cheaper than a new dash cover.I disagree. They don't need a new dash cover. Just put a speaker grille like most other models have. My XC90 has a center speaker grille and NO center speaker!
Assembly would be no different either. I mean, they're obviously already fabricating the blank faceplate. So instead of the worker snapping the screen into the pod and attaching it to the cable coming out of the top hole, they snap the screen into the blank (that they're going to insert anyways) and plug it into the cable. Then just snap down a speaker cover instead of a huge stupid looking plastic pod. I think that would look a lot better.
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Quote, originally posted by rfkuehn » I know I keep asking this question, but no answers yet... Why not just make the center stack taller, with room both both the Nav and radio displays, then blend the back of it into the dash?
You would still have a blank space with no Nav, but at least the overall appearance would be much more integrated.
That is one big hole in the dash and a big plastic shell just for a small LCD screen.
Idiocy.
I think a taller center stack would ruin the flow. Excluding the pod and what's in the stack, it's a very nice design. I love center stacks that are slightly angled towards the driver.
The real solution would be for volvo to design a nav system that can display other data from the car. Then the pod could go away, and all cars, with or without nav would basically be the same. They'd still have the same screen there (as a plus, people could consider buying a rear camera without nav). Then nav would just be a matter of plugging a brain in somwhere out of site. The screens really don't cost that much money anymore.
I bet more people would be willing to pay a little extra to get a rear backup camera if they could without having to pay for nav. It seems a lot more are NOT inclined to pay extra for nav.
I see more and more models from other manufacturers that are coming out with designs that allow for rear backup camera WITHOUT needing nav. What a concept....
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Quote, originally posted by pattyweb » I disagree. They don't need a new dash cover. Just put a speaker grille like most other models have. My XC90 has a center speaker grille and NO center speaker!
For whatever reason, Volvo has gotten away from this. Look at the new S80/V70.
Quote, originally posted by pattyweb »
The real solution would be for volvo to design a nav system that can display other data from the car. Then the pod could go away, and all cars, with or without nav would basically be the same.one can only hope that this will happen in the near future. maybe their nav tech just wasn't caught up to their designers yet (even though every other manuf. has managed to do this?)
Maybe 2011 model will have updated, integrated nav and a speaker grill in place of the pod.
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Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax »
That blanked off section where the Nav unit goes is ridiculous.I am sad to say that it practically ruins what is otherwise quite a striking car.
How could they get this so wrong!?!?!
Even WITH Nav, it still looks stupid, with that big black surround.
Quote, originally posted by pierola » i'm just curious if you can mount an aftermarket gps unit in that blank spot to fill it up and save $2k. seems like it's possible. I was going to suggest that as well. Perfect place to mount a Tom Tom or Nuvi!
Quote, originally posted by Needsdecaf » I am sad to say that it practically ruins what is otherwise quite a striking car.
How could they get this so wrong!?!?!
Even WITH Nav, it still looks stupid, with that big black surround.
I thought people were exaggerating how bad it looked until I saw these pictures. If you purchase the non-nav version then every time you drive this car you are reminded that you didn’t take the option. What’s the first question people will ask when they get a lift from you? Of course: “is that where the nav screen should go?”.
Big, big mistake on a ‘premium’ car. I suspect (and hope) this is rectified soon.
What is the problem? If you can afford a new Volvo XC60, you can afford the RTI-system.
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