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      What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70?

      First, thanks to all who took the time to answer my worried questions about mechanic who used wrong ATF for a flush. It's been replaced with 3309 and car is running well.

      (BTW, this mechanic, who advertises as "specializing in Volvos", told me my car didn't have an ATF dipstick when he did the original flush and used the wrong Dextron III. I found the dipstick using my owners manual and showed him where it was for the do-over flush using 3309.)

      This is the same mechanic I was going to use for timing belt change. No way is he ever touching my car again after the ATF ordeal!

      Anyway, just wondering if I could get an estimate on cost of replacing a timing belt. Really think I need the full kit replacement-serpentine belt, belt tensioner, tensioner pulley, idler pulley- as my car has 104K miles and has never had the timing belt changed.

      The Volvo "specialist" mechanic mentioned above wanted me to buy the parts myself and told me there are 4-6 different ones for 2000 S70. Any help in telling which specific one I need for my car?

      Car info:
      Engine: B5244S
      Engine Family: YVVXV 2.43 TF3
      VIN: YV1LS61J1Y2629634

      From my research it is around $200 for Timing Belt Kit. Also I've seen suggestions in threads that its a good idea to replace the water pump too. Yes or No?

      Does $800 sound about right for this entire maintenance work including parts?

      Thanks for your help.



      Modified by prd409 at 12:33 AM 11-23-2008


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      A timing belt in real life takes under 2 hours labor, you do the math.
      Parts should be under $140 (mail order).
      If you want a comparison,
      I just did a T belt AND replaced most of the front suspension (strut mounts, spring seats, inner and outer tie rods and control arms) for $500 in labor, (plus parts)
      Yes this is wholesale at $60 an hour but again, do the math
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      Timing belt kit here: http://www.eeuroparts.com/Main...4338K $155

      Genuine Volvo water pump kit here: http://www.eeuroparts.com/Main...2476G $125

      That's $280 w/ free shipping for all the parts. I don't see how the labor could add up to $520 - even a dealership shouldn't be at 5 + hours of labor on this job. Usually 2-3 hours is what Volvo shops bill for this job in my experience.

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      Re: (Big Will)

      That's sounds expensive for a Volvo water pump, (one of their cheaper and better parts).
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      Water pump kit from the dealer is now pn 30751700 and lists for about $160 but usually we can get a nice discount off of that from Jamie or if you have a good relationship with your local dealer - for sure Jim you get your wholesale price.

      I know that the Hepu brand kit is about $65 on eEuroparts and that might actually be the OEM brand in which case that's a nice savings over the blue Volvo box.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Thanks for the estimate advice. I see the one thing my mechanic does know is how to rip me off!

      Know of a reliable, trustworthy Volvo mechanic in San Antonio? Just though with your years of experience and networking you may have met one.

      May just paying the dealer to do it and living on bread and water for a few months. Peace of mind getting it done as I read the horrors that the belt breaking does to the pistons...it's all over but the crying for the loss of my car at that point. GOD, no! I want at least another 100K miles out of my S70. Then I don't know what I will do. I've only owned Volvos during my 27 years of driving life. ( My dad died in a car wreck when I was very young and I've had major safety issues since.) But I understand the newer ones are mainly Fords and Volvo in branding only. Oh well. I'll cross that bridge when the time comes. Hopefully 6-7 years down the road.

      Thanks again, gentlemen. I am in great appreciation of your willingness to take time to share your wealth of knowledge with a total stranger.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Quote, originally posted by prd409 »
      But I understand the newer ones are mainly Fords and Volvo in branding only.

      Not true.

      Ford BASED their Taurus/Sable/Taurus X on the previous gen S80's platform, which was a Volvo AB platform.

      The current EUCD platform is a Volvo only platform for the time being.

      The P1 platform (S40/V50/C70/C30) DOES share some with Ford (European Focus) and Mazda (3).

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Pam, I have two 98's and a 99 and the maintenance schedule for the 99 (which should be the same as the 2000) indicates that the timing belt tensioner should also be replaced with the belt at 105K miles but is silent on the water pump. However, most folks on here would suggest that the water pump be replaced at the same time. FCP has a kit for your car for under $220. Labor shouldn't be anywhere near $500 but you'll have to pay for the coolant replacement (unless you supply your own in which case you'll need two gallons of pre-mixed 50/50 coolant such as Prestone or one gallon of undiluted anti-freeze).

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (njb8199)

      Awesome! Thanks, njb8199! Great to start my day learning there being a Volvo with the quality Swedish engineering down the road when its time to purchase a new one. (Well, virtually new...one-year-old or so...I never buy a brand new car. Can't stomach the depreciation the second you drive it off the dealer lot. I've always bought the dealer loaner cars they turn out at about 4K Miles).

      I'll probably just keep my S70 as a second car when that time comes. Can't imagine ever putting her out to pasture.


      Modified by prd409 at 9:41 AM 11-23-2008


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Quote, originally posted by prd409 »
      But I understand the newer ones are mainly Fords and Volvo in branding only.



      Where do you HEAR this crap and you believe this?
      Yes, there is some platform sharing....guess WHO's platform it is....VOLVO's.

      Also, "quality Swedish engineering?" that's truly an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
      The only thing quality about newer Volvos (post 1990) is their safety, (even that is not much better now, everyone else caught up) most everything else is poor quality!

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      OK. SORRY!

      I heard it from that mechanic I used for the ATF Flush. I just need to erase everything he ever told me from my memory, don't I?

      I cringe to think what might have happened to my car if I had let him do the T-Belt repair.

      Thank God I found this forum! I have nothing to offer advice-wise. I only hope you guys don't get tired of taking the time to answer my uneducated/ignorant questions. I know I know absolutely nothing about Volvos, but I feel I've already learned a ton to start to have a working knowledge of my S70/boyfriend. (Is it wrong to feel love for a car?)

      Also, Jim, I apologize for posting my issue with the ATF in the forum (I was in panic mode) after I personally emailed you about the problem from work and you took so much time to PATIENTLY answer all my questions. I meant no disrespect to you nor your wealth of knowledge. Just wish you lived close to me. You'd be my Volvo mechanic for life!


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      I'm not a mechanic, I just know what works.
      I sell/sold many of these 98-00's, I wish I could have more (to sell) but now they're becoming old, so decent ones have become very hard to find.
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Quote, originally posted by JRL »

      Where do you HEAR this crap and you believe this?
      Yes, there is some platform sharing....guess WHO's platform it is....VOLVO's.

      Also, "quality Swedish engineering?" that's truly an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
      The only thing quality about newer Volvos (post 1990) is their safety, (even that is not much better now, everyone else caught up) most everything else is poor quality!

      The current gen Volvos are much more reliable than the P2's. Got to give Ford some credit for that.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      By quality Swedish engineering, I meant that it's just not there anymore. Not even in my S70...even I know that!

      I was referring way back in the day when I had my 240DL. I LOVED THAT CAR! Sadly, I was rear ended and the back bumper crumbled all the way up to the back seat, just like they were designed to do to absorb the blow for safety reasons. I was hit pretty hard but didn't even experience the slightest case of whiplash. But it totaled the car which was about 15-yrs-old, 250K miles at the time....otherwise, I'd probably still be trying to maintain and drive it. At least as a second car.

      I'd give anything if Volvo(Ford) would bring back that distinctive "matchbox" 240 body style!


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      If you like the 240's, JRL occasionally comes across a REALLY nice 940 (the latest and best evolution of the 240) once or twice a year. When he posts about one, jump on it!
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Jim,

      The jury is probably still out for the most recent Volvos, as to their quality and longevity. But, speaking from personal experience, I can't complain about the quality (95% original) and longevity (378K) of my S70, with the exception of the ETM issue, of course.

      Perhaps the members of Swedespeed take unusually good care of their cars - and, perhaps, therein lies the "secret" to getting the most out of a vehicle.

      The flip side of this being that Volvo's pricing structure for the past number of years has encouraged the three-year-and-out lease. Could this be, at least in part, responsible for the perception of low quality Volvos? Further, given the high cost of maintenance if one goes only to a dealer, might this contribute to the same perception, on two levels - first, that people may put off routine maintenance because of that cost, only to pay more for a major problem later; and, second, that people are more likely to remember the experience of a "four-figure repair bill," and chalk it up to "low quality?"

      Just a few thoughts and questions.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (1999s70)

      Quote, originally posted by 1999s70 »
      Jim,

      The jury is probably still out for the most recent Volvos, as to their quality and longevity. But, speaking from personal experience, I can't complain about the quality (95% original) and longevity (378K) of my S70, with the exception of the ETM issue, of course.


      I disagree wholehartedly.
      I buy (and sell) many cars. I can buy a Camry or an Accord (these are just examples) with minimal to normal service performed with 125K miles and it usually needs very little. The usual stuff, maybe a muffler, brakes an axle or two.
      If I buy a 125K mile 850 or V70 that had minimal to even Volvo's scheduled services, it usually needs more repairs than I paid for it
      (2 to $4000!)

      This is not the exception, rather it's the rule 95% of the time

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Jim,

      I'm surprised. Thinking back on my own vehicle - at the 125K level, I had done all the scheduled maintenance, of course, plus brakes, hoses, etc. Nothing outside of routine maintenance, except for the throttle and the trunk struts. I also replaced the front struts (the replacements are still with me).

      If you had seen my car at 125K - it needed absolutely nothing - and over the next 100K, besides regular maintenance, brakes, etc., and another throttle (LOL), all I had to replace was the plastic coolant tank, the coolant level sensor, power antenna, the oxygen sensors and the a/c compressor. And, again, not to jinx myself, but the replacements are all still with me.

      I agree that the interior started looking ratty by the high 100s, and I replaced switches and lots of bulbs, which made the interior look a lot better.

      I did have a "repair spike" between 295K and 330K, mainly in the heating/cooling area - heater core, radiator, pipes, etc. - and during that span, I also replaced the rear brake calipers and the contact reel, and had a few of the fuel vapor lines replaced. And the original ABS module failed shortly afterwards, too. For me, considering the mileage, it's not bad.

      The one weak spot of my car - I'm on my 5th throttle and 4th MAF sensor.

      Did I just get lucky? Is it because I have a base model with so few options? I doubt that I'm that much better about maintenance than anyone else who cares about their car. Do I use the car so much that everything lasts longer?

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (1999s70)

      Quote, originally posted by 1999s70 »
      Jim,


      Did I just get lucky? Is it because I have a base model with so few options?


      That surely helps!
      No P/seat switches, no moonroof, no automatic climate control, etc to break.

      I get into my silver 2000R yesterday, all these squeals and noises start.
      After a few minutes they subside but I knew something had taken a dump, so I
      opened the hood, almost no PS fluid! The reservoir had cracked, took out the PS line and saturated the serpentine belt, (also trashed now, was new 10K ago ).
      Now you're not going to sit there and say this is common with any other WELL serviced car (with not rust under he hood) at 85K miles, it isn't!
      So another $300 or so spent on CRAP that shouldn't/wouldn't be normally spent

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Quote, originally posted by JRL »

      Now you're not going to sit there and say this is common with any other WELL serviced car (with not rust under he hood) at 85K miles, it isn't!

      No, I'm not going to say that, at all. For sure. And I'd especially find annoying the collateral damage where it's bad enough to lose the PS reservoir, but the serp belt as well.

      BTW - I do have the power driver's seat. Never been a problem. In fact, the only options on my car, besides the auto tranny, were the power driver's seat, plus the climate package - heated front seats and headlight wipers. And, I forgot to mention, both wiper motors eventually failed, both at around 250K. Arguably, I could live without the climate package, though I do like to wipe the headlights clean of slush while driving at night during the winter. Oh, I don't recall if TRACS was standard on the 99 - but I have that, too.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (1999s70)

      Tracs was standard, STC was optional and came with certain packages.
      I don't think it was a stand alone option
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Quote, originally posted by JRL »
      Tracs was standard, STC was optional and came with certain packages.
      I don't think it was a stand alone option

      TRACS wasn't standard, it came with the Climate Package on the Base and GLT. If you had a T5 or R and got the Climate Package, then you got STC

      In 2000 STC came on all models with Climate.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      I'm in the process of trying to find a independent garage for this maintenance. The one I was really wanting to use, http://www.johnnysautoclinic.repair.bz/, is insisting that I get the 100K Mile Service Package for $1050, not just the T-Belt & water pump replaced.

      Any advice on convincing him to do just the work I want?


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Oh GOD!!!
      There is NO 100K " service package" in any Volvo maintenance book!!
      It's YOUR car, YOU tell whatever mechanic what YOU want done.
      They do not TELL YOU!
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Quote, originally posted by prd409 »
      Any advice on convincing him to do just the work I want?

      No...if he doesn't comply, find another indy. It's your money, not his.


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Quote, originally posted by JRL »
      Oh GOD!!!
      There is NO 100K " service package" in any Volvo maintenance book!!
      It's YOUR car, YOU tell whatever mechanic what YOU want done.
      They do not TELL YOU!

      X2.

      Use your owner's manual and the advice from folks on here.

      Any business you walk into was formed to do one thing: make money. Keep that in mind.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (jlj3394)

      Well, there IS a 105k mile service for 2000 S70's........

      Compare the mechanic's 100k mile service with the 105k mile service in your owner's manual. Also, FYI, the 90k mile service is a pretty major one; so if that hasn't been done, you may want to have that done in conjunction with the 105k.

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      Any mechanic that tries to "insist" on you doing something to your car, especially calling it some bogus scare-tactic name, is not worth dealing with. Find a better, more honest mechanic.
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (njb8199)

      Quote, originally posted by njb8199 »
      Well, there IS a 105k mile service for 2000 S70's........

      Compare the mechanic's 100k mile service with the 105k mile service in your owner's manual. Also, FYI, the 90k mile service is a pretty major one; so if that hasn't been done, you may want to have that done in conjunction with the 105k.


      This is correct.
      After looking at their website, they seem to be Volvo knowledgable so I wonder why they said a 100K service.
      The 90K IS a biggie, the 105K is a small service (but the T belt IS included), so I suppose they're combining them.
      If you have not done a correct 90K service and if you think they're a good shop, perhaps you should just bite the bullet and do everything at once if you can afford to do so, the alternative is not good, this stuff needs to be done or larger and more costly failures happen later.
      It also would be prudent to ask them to read the PCV (breather box) pressure to make sure it's not becoming clogged up. 100K is the time to do this and replace the breather box if necessary. If let go, your alternative is a new rear main seal ($$$$) and a host of related issues happening.
      Personally I don't follow these but I'm more proactive and do the maintenance early and since I keep all my records, I can spread it out.
      (I do a small service but include one of the other items that will need to be done)
      For instance, at 75K when I bought my current R, I basically did the 60K, the 90 and the 105K all at once, (not having complete records from the 1st owner and was unable to get them).
      Yes, it cost me a big bundle then but now I can focus on basic maintenance and breaking parts which unfortunately happen all the time.
      Yesterday for no reason the PS resovoir broke (bottom cracked), took the PS line and ruined the serpentine belt along with it, so I had to spend $320 that was not in the cards for the month but hey, stupid crap fails on these cars!
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      Quote, originally posted by JRL »

      (I do a small service but include one of the other items that will need to be done)

      I do exactly the same thing.

      I also try to leverage labor - for example, if I'm going to replace the timing belt and water pump, I'll arrange things so that I happen to also need a coolant flush at the same time, and I'll have the serp belt changed at the same time, too. And then I review my invoice very carefully to make sure that I'm not being charged twice for anything LOL.

      I've also found that many of Volvo's service intervals are more like "maximum intervals," and that some things really ought to be changed more often - plugs and filters, for example. I also don't believe in my owner's manual suggestion that the tranny fluid is good for the life of the car - well, I suppose it could be, if the tranny failed from not having its fluid changed, and I had to replace the car .

      Best regards,
      George

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (JRL)

      The 100K Service in my previous post was a typo on my part. It was supposed to be 105K Service. Thanks to all that caught that an immediately disputed/questioned it.

      I agree the Mechanic, based on the website and reputation, seems to be very knowledgeable about Volvos. I probably will just bite the bullet, as you suggested, and get the 105K Service.


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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      All it is, is a small service plus the timing belt
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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (prd409)

      Quote, originally posted by prd409 »
      The 100K Service in my previous post was a typo on my part. It was supposed to be 105K Service. Thanks to all that caught that an immediately disputed/questioned it.

      I agree the Mechanic, based on the website and reputation, seems to be very knowledgeable about Volvos. I probably will just bite the bullet, as you suggested, and get the 105K Service.

      Not to question you; but have you also had the 90k service done yet?

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (njb8199)

      If you haven't, the majority of the 90K service stuff can be done quickly by yourself. I figure your mechanic will do an oil change as part of his 105K timing belt service and if you haven't had the 90K done then you should probably make sure that the brake fluid is changed.

      You can drain out a lot of the coolant in the system yourself by opening the stopcock on the radiator and draining and then re-filling with a 50/50 mix of water and Volvo coolant based on how much you drain out. That's easily done on ramps. You can also easily change your spark plugs and save some money that way. A kit from Volvo for the NAs is quite cheap for a set of plugs and you save probably an hour's labor charge. If you want to, you can suck out your P/S fluid yourself using a little manual pump and re-fill it. Turn the car on to activate the pump and do this a few times to get a lot of the old fluid out. Never a bad thing to do.

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      Re: What is cost to replace timing belt on 2000 S70? (Big Will)

      In the last month I have had:
      New brake pads (all four wheels)
      Brake fluid change
      Tire rotation and balance
      ATF change
      Oil/filter Change
      Cabin filter change

      Jan. '08:
      Bought new tires (all four)
      Spark plugs, coolant and PS were changed




      Modified by prd409 at 12:36 PM 11-26-2008


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