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      Ember Black Paint - Swirl marks in clear coat?

      I purchased my S60 about a month ago... sometimes when we are in the sunlight looking at the car from an angle, you can see tons of very fine scratch-like swirls all over the car. They appear to create a haze in the clear coat. Is this normal for darker vehicles? Is there a way to remove them?

      I have been pretty anal about cleaning my car and am fairly certain that I did not create these marks. Maybe the dealer did this prior to me getting the car?
      2012 Ember Black S60 T6 with Polestar+, Sport Exhaust, R-Design Rear Diffuser

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      What sort of towels were used to dry after a wash? Certain towels can cause more visible swirls than others. I have been using microfiber towels on my Nautic Blue XC with good results.

      The Ember Black paint on our T6 has a haze look down the side visible in certain light. After a polish, I expect our 'haze' to go away. Darker colors do show paint issues more easily than say white or silver.
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      I use microfiber as well but no telling what the dealer used prior to me buying the car. The Haze is more of my concern... interesting that you have it as well. I was afraid that a wax would lock the haze in... Speaking of wax, how soon after purchase is it safe to wax? Any recommendations?
      2012 Ember Black S60 T6 with Polestar+, Sport Exhaust, R-Design Rear Diffuser

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      Quote Originally Posted by gamegeek27 View Post
      I was afraid that a wax would lock the haze in... Speaking of wax, how soon after purchase is it safe to wax? Any recommendations?
      Six months???? Not sure.

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      Have you owned a black car before? Even a microfiber towel will leave fine marks if there is even a hint of dust or dirt on the surface. It's tough to get black to look perfect.
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      Nope, first black car, hence the question... it just looked like the haze is something that could be removed so I thought I'd ask other owners.
      2012 Ember Black S60 T6 with Polestar+, Sport Exhaust, R-Design Rear Diffuser

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      As stated above swirl marks are very common on all paint colors but more visible on darker colors. It took a lot of work to keep my former Saville Gray T6 looking perfect.

      I washed my car weekly (by hand) and dried using a combination of microfiber towels and extremely high quality chamois clothes. I'm more anal than most, and used multiple buckets, multiple wash gloves, and continuously rinsed the vehicle. I would use one glove per panel in most cases, rinsing it in two buckets before reapplying to another surface. Every month or so I would use various products, including Maguire's (my preferred brand) compound polish, to take care of any imperfections that I noticed in the paint.

      Unfortunately in my situation my dealer destroyed my car's finish before I ever had a chance to baby it. While the paint was mostly corrected it was never again factory perfect but my methods still kept it looking good. You could never see any swirls on my car.
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      I also only hand wash my car (it's good exercise, too) and I always ask the dealer to not wash the car when it is
      in for service. I'll even stick a note on the dash about this, just in case.
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      Quote Originally Posted by krn View Post
      I also only hand wash my car (it's good exercise, too) and I always ask the dealer to not wash the car when it is
      in for service.
      I rarely wash my car, but when I do, hand wash only, by moi!

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      Quote Originally Posted by gamegeek27 View Post
      I have been pretty anal about cleaning my car and am fairly certain that I did not create these marks. Maybe the dealer did this prior to me getting the car?
      No matter how careful you may be.......a black car will show swirls. End of story.
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      UPDATE: went to a detailer and had the car buffed and then waxed with Zaino. It looks and feels so much better. Swirl marks are mostly gone but there is still a little haze on the side of the car. I'm definitely glad I got it done as the car looks very shiny now.

      The detailer told me that black cars are high maintenance to keep looking good. He said that waxing every 3-6 months is the key.
      2012 Ember Black S60 T6 with Polestar+, Sport Exhaust, R-Design Rear Diffuser

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      I also have Ember black and it's a pain to get it looking nice.
      I usually wash it every 2 weeks and wax it maybe every 2 months...