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    1. #1

      Who wants a Volvo P1 specific, WMM safe, HID Retrofit?

      Lets face it, the OEM halogen headlights in our cars suck. We should all know by now the issues with HID retrofits, and that the DIY solution is not trivial and requires CEM harness hacking. I have been PMed dozens of times over the years asking for a better way...

      If you are interested in a commercial, plug-and-play (no cut wires!) solution that was designed specifically for Volvo P1 cars (S40, V50, C30, C70), we need to show vendors that there is sufficient interest to satisfy a minimum order quantity. To do this I've put together a short survey using Google Forms (so the link can be shared between forums):

      https://goo.gl/forms/d3Z2ldaIKGQJoIYL2

      Realistically, we need 100+ responses to have a shot at moving forward. If you are a member of another forum (e.g. C30), you can help by starting a thread there that includes this link.

      Let's send a message that it is worth doing!
      Last edited by theshadow27; 12-22-2016 at 08:59 AM.
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      *chanting* Group buy, group buy!
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      filled the google doc. since i already did a projector swap/hid, i'd love a kbowe to ensure wiper motor safety (although, knock on wood the morimoto canbus harness still doing the trick for 2 years now)
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      Survey filled. Sub-$100 PnP KBOWE or

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      Yeahhh, projectors are a tough one on that $450 kit idea.
      Much as our headlight housings are pretty big, the mounting position for the projector is fairly recessed in the headlight. To use any aftermarket projector with a mounting bracket spells disaster if it's D2S, since, after adding igniters, pretty much every mainstream projector will extend past the back end of the housing lid (especially on facelifts). Push the projector forward to resolve it, and you have to modify the shroud. Keep it in place, you have to grind down the lid. If you have a careful eye, you'll notice the factory bi-xenon headlights have a projector shroud that is ever so slightly longer than the Halogen flavor, sticking out a tiny bit further and allowing the projector/igniter combo to not interfere with the rear cover.

      Bi-xenon
      Halogen

      This is clearly by design, as even with my E46 projectors from a 2015 Mini, the space left over for the igniter is really tight and requires cutting the inside structure of the rear lid for it to fit properly. E46 projectors are (surprisingly) some of the shortest style projectors out there...so even in the best case scenario, some cutting is required if you're running an integrated igniter with no HV wires.

      But the issues don't end there. You want to use E46 projectors because it's the simplest solution? Good luck sourcing projectors. That's an Ebay dumpster diving experiment, because AL will not bother looking at your requests to buy parts that aren't in any catalogs, damn near all OEM straight-fit E46s on the internet are never labeled as such, and the replicas you can find on TRS or AliExpress are total garbage.

      In other news, survey filled
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      Survey Filled.

      $300 for new halogen housings (mine are SHOT)
      $350 for a harness adapter and HID's
      $450 for a harness adapter and everything needed for Projectors
      $685 for new housings custom reflectors and LED bulbs

      Sadly at this point I am about tempted to put anything better in there than what is there. I even considered CAD'ing out the available space and putting in 2x 5x7 GE Nighthawks and the marker/blinker light and then 3d printing out a new headlight retainer with a more Chevy Aveo look.
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      Wow keep it up guys, 15 responses in under 8 hours! Have any of you C30 folks cross posted yet?

      Nick - there was some discussion a while back (2009) with TRS on machining a bracket for their FX-R projector to mate to our housings. With help from Scott and Kyle, as well as Matt from TRS, we actually got pretty far towards getting a bracket speced. It never made it to production, but if they are introducing a Volvo P1 specific KBOWE, it would make sense to cross-sell their in-house FX-Rs. IIRC the FX-R is much shallower than most OEM setups and would allow extra clearance for the igniter. The R&D is online if you're interested, specifically my FX-R drawing and Scott's dimensioning of the Volvo unit are the final product that could be merged into a adapter plate.

      Alternately, I'm sure we could find a 2" OD boot to bundle with the kit that could act as the grommet and allow clearance for the ignitor in the cover. Something like this (off a triumph motorcycle headlight):
      http://www.steadfastcycles.com/cart/images/hlight.JPG
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      There's a huuuuuge amount of cars which use E46-dimensioned mounting holes, so it would make sense for TRS to make an FXR mounting plate - they can market it as such and see easy widespread use. No idea if it exists or not, but I've seen E46 brackets for the mini D2S floating around so I'm sure it's not that far fetched of an idea.

      The FXR's dimensions, however, are no smaller than the E46...in fact it's almost identical in critical dimensions. From tip of lens to mounting point (which is important so that the planoconvex lens is ~flush with the shroud) is 88mm on the FXR, 84mm on the E46. Behind the bracket the FXR is 67mm to the bulb base, the E46 is 64mm. Add in a mounting bracket and the dimensions are more or less the same. Add an igniter and you're interfering with the inner lid structure again - it's tight no matter how you slice it.

      Though I'm not a fan of super-flicker sharp cutoffs, the FXR is a fine projector. Anyone who wants to look for E46's on their own can find used, albeit poorly labelled specimens on ebay for $20 or 30 per projector, and I'll take E46 distance and OEM quality over Morimoto any day. If you want lots of width and TRS support, then FXR all the way.

      Something I forgot to mention in the previous post which I should bring up here is also the spacing behind the lid (when the lights are mounted) where wires will actually fit. There are power steering pipes butting up against the light on one side, the windshield washer reservoir on the other. The area where you can place a hole in the rear lid is really, really limited, both inside and outside each headlight. My point is that DIYing something is effectively guaranteed. It's not a ton of work, but some end-user measuring, cutting, and potentially epoxying may be required.

      If the goal is to avoid the OEM-connector DIY of cutting two wires near the CEM, then I assume it's a corollary that you want to limit the DIY here, too. Some best practices/guidelines would be a good idea, especially if you're going to advocate for low EMI igniters immediately adjacent the bulb.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Nick0matic View Post
      The FXR's dimensions, however, are no smaller than the E46... Add an igniter and you're interfering with the inner lid structure again - it's tight no matter how you slice it.
      Good to know. Yep I agree about the tight clearance, but there is at least 1/4" back there. It would have to be worked out for sure, but a drill template + rubber cap would likely do the trick, even if the wires have to come out a separate grommet.

      Quote Originally Posted by Nick0matic View Post
      My point is that DIYing something is effectively guaranteed. It's not a ton of work, but some end-user measuring, cutting, and potentially epoxying may be required.

      If the goal is to avoid the OEM-connector DIY of cutting two wires near the CEM, then I assume it's a corollary that you want to limit the DIY here, too. Some best practices/guidelines would be a good idea, especially if you're going to advocate for low EMI igniters immediately adjacent the bulb.
      Eliminating all DIY isn't the intention - every HID kit requires at least one hole in the headlight cover. I think the main goal is to avoid having to DIY fabricate/solder/test a KBOWE, secondary goal is to avoid having to cut wires.

      The complete kit is a stretch for sure, and would have to come from somewhere like TRS. For the record, I'm not advocating for anything except a commercial KBOWE. If we don't get enough interest to entice a manufacturer, at least you'll know how many parts to order
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      so to clarify, the $450 option uses the stock halogen headlight housings? How much work is required to retrofit?
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      Quote Originally Posted by T5CO View Post
      so to clarify, the $450 option uses the stock halogen headlight housings? How much work is required to retrofit?
      Yes, it would be a replacement projector assembly. As Nick explained above, it's a good deal of work to swap projectors without cracking the lens seal. Then there will be some DIY hacking to get the dust cap back on without messing with the alignment. Mostly tedious, with the added difficulty of tight spaces and cooked-brittle plastic.
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Filled out the survey now make this happen. I'm very interested in either but would prefer the bi-xenon D2S
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      I would love something like this. I would also prefer the bi-xenon DS2.

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      Up to 26 responses - but I feel like the C30 folks could really kick this into high-gear...

      @MNIWT - any ideas on how to get that crew involved?

      P.S. Happy Holidays!
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Just putting this here for reference:

      Using Vehicle sales stats: https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...=2006&month=11 also numbers on wiki for S40, V50, C30, put together P1 vehicle sales data:


      2004 69,164
      2005 86,415
      2006 160,950
      2007 189,554
      2008 165,382
      2009 134,217
      2010 133,925
      2011 106,594
      2012 69,885


      which is like 1.3 million total, on average 20% of that in the US (225k). Full data here (XLSX, 60kb). With average vehicle age around 11 years it is fair to assume 75% of that (165k) are still on the road. This is substantially more than I expected...
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Up to 33. Did anyone crosspost to C30?
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      You can always join C30crew lol. Ill start a thread this weekend.
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      Obviously lol, but I personally would hate it if someone who joined that day with 0 posts starts a new thread out of the blue demanding action, especially if they don't have a C30... So I was thinking it'd be more effective if someone who has been around a while would vouch for the effort over here.
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      I don't have a C30 and I'm a member. Both platforms share many common components plus C30 has more technical information. I also like how the C30 site is setup. But I can see your point - it's worth joining though.
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      Ok I made a thread on C30 with the link to here. Here's the quick link if anyone wants to take a look or follow the progress in that thread http://www.c30crew.com/forum/showthr...152#post203152
      2010 S40 T5 AWD M66 R-Desgin (The Unicorn) - KW V1 - FastCo FC04A - Elevate rear sway bar - Massive RaceSpec Adjustable Camber Arms - GoVo ecu spacer

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      Thank you sir, I'm monitoring that thread now. We are up to 38 responses - still a bit short. Might need to start thinking bout doing it ourselves (still interested Nick?)
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Quote Originally Posted by theshadow27 View Post
      Thank you sir, I'm monitoring that thread now. We are up to 38 responses - still a bit short. Might need to start thinking bout doing it ourselves (still interested Nick?)
      Haha, I'll crosspost this to /r/Volvo. I'm still interested, and funny enough with how things are going I may end up being employed in NoVA later this month. Might still be worth pitching something like this to TRS even with low numbers via HIDplanet forums...you might find more P1ers there, too
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      Quote Originally Posted by Nick0matic View Post
      Haha, I'll crosspost this to /r/Volvo. I'm still interested, and funny enough with how things are going I may end up being employed in NoVA later this month. Might still be worth pitching something like this to TRS even with low numbers via HIDplanet forums...you might find more P1ers there, too
      The last response I got from TRS was on 20 Dec:

      Quote Originally Posted by Andrew@TRS
      Andrew @ TRS (The Retrofit Source)
      Dec 20, 16:42 EST

      Unfortunately the issue is not necessarily design, but MOQ for ordering a brand new harness as well--I know MOQs are often in the hundreds of pieces for a new harness / wiring component. Do you think there is this large of an interest in them?

      Thank you again!
      Which is why I started this thread. I subsequently updated them with the results last week but haven't heard back. I figure everything is still in holiday limbo so later this week I'll ping them again.

      Not sure I follow with HIDPlanet?
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Quote Originally Posted by theshadow27 View Post
      The last response I got from TRS was on 20 Dec:



      Which is why I started this thread. I subsequently updated them with the results last week but haven't heard back. I figure everything is still in holiday limbo so later this week I'll ping them again.

      Not sure I follow with HIDPlanet?
      Wasn't aware you had already spoken to TRS recently. I mentioned HIDplanet because TRS runs it! Good place for technical conversation with TRS staff. Couldn't hurt to crosspost the form there, either, since I've seen a number of P1 owners while lurking.
      07 V50 T5 AWD | E46 Bi-xenon w/ KBOWE | Projector Info

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      huh, learn something new every day... I'll check it out. BTW wherever you posted got a ton of interest, 10 replies in 24h, up to 48 now.

      Edit: Suggestions on where in HIDPlanet to post?

      Edit2: I put it here https://www.hidplanet.com/forums/for...0-hid-solution hopefully that doesn't suck.
      Last edited by theshadow27; 01-03-2017 at 04:34 PM.
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      For the record after sending another email (this time pointing to the hidplanet post) I got back

      Quote Originally Posted by Jamielle (The Retrofit Source)
      Thanks for your reply and information! I will forward this onto our COO who deals with this kind of product development and see what he has to say.
      Hopefully this will start the wheels turning.
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Full P1 (S40/V50/C30/C70) & P2 (S60/V70+R) LED conversion | P1 HID conversion & details | FM Modulators & interference

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      57 respondents. If this gets to 100 and TRS hasn't committed I'll build a batch myself....
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Full P1 (S40/V50/C30/C70) & P2 (S60/V70+R) LED conversion | P1 HID conversion & details | FM Modulators & interference

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      Shameless bump/quick update: So the survey is up to 67 responses, which is pretty darn strong.

      TRS haven't gotten back to me in over a week and I'm starting to get concerned. If you have an HID Planet account, it wouldn't hurt to say something inthe thread I started there.

      If TRS backs out, I have some alternatives lined up - the downside being that the retrofit/full kits wouldn't be available as a bundle. If there is interest in a kit version (including PCB, capacitors, diodes, enclosure - you add wire, solder, silicone) then I can offer that as a reduced-priced option (~$50 shipped) alongside a pre-assembled/tested version (~$99 shipped).
      '05 S40 T5 AWD M66 sport/winter/ew. Michelin PS A/S+. 6000k 50w HID low/HIR1 high/full LED conversions. RiCA SW. Evoelate intake. IPD rear sway, skidplate, TCV.
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      Full P1 (S40/V50/C30/C70) & P2 (S60/V70+R) LED conversion | P1 HID conversion & details | FM Modulators & interference

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      What ever happened to this?
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      My guess is nothing unfortunately
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