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      The FLASH!

      Hello R enthusiasts,

      This is m'first thread and, Mods, if this isn't the preferred location, please move.

      Anyway, I just bought an 06 R from the classifieds here and am beginning the morphing. I want to flash the ECU and am a little torn as to whether to go IPD, or Elevate. I like the idea of physically having a loader (ELE) that will also pull and clear codes. I also like the idea of not having the car be down for a week. On the other hand, the love and respect lauded on IPD isn't lost on me; I just bought their exhaust. Additionally, I plan to eventually do the charge pipe and the R Kelly airbox augmentation and that'll be the extent of my engine modding.

      So, help a brother out here. Let me read your experiences and edumacated opinings on which flash to flash and especially, WHY!

      Thanks in advance.

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      For the codes, you're much better off with a VIDA/DICE unit. My $.02
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      Skip both of those and go with Hilton. Zero down time, better price, better tune. Just get a VIDA/DICE unit and call it a day
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      +3 for VIDA/DICE and +9000 for the Hilton tune. iPd and Elevate tunes are one size fits all and don't work well with piece by piece modding like Hilton does. Hilton tunes are mapped specifically for YOUR car based on data logs you send him using his software.


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      Another vote for VIDA and Hilton.

      Step 1: get a DICE unit with VIDA.
      Step 2: get a Hilton tune
      Step 3: flash said tune to your car with DICE unit.
      Step 4: log a few runs and return data to Hilton
      Step 5: flash revised tune to car
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      Quote Originally Posted by conorv70r View Post
      Skip both of those and go with Hilton. Zero down time, better price, better tune. Just get a VIDA/DICE unit and call it a day
      Quote Originally Posted by Basssteakman View Post
      +3 for VIDA/DICE and +9000 for the Hilton tune. iPd and Elevate tunes are one size fits all and don't work well with piece by piece modding like Hilton does. Hilton tunes are mapped specifically for YOUR car based on data logs you send him using his software.


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      Quote Originally Posted by taloras View Post
      Another vote for VIDA and Hilton.

      Step 1: get a DICE unit with VIDA.
      Step 2: get a Hilton tune
      Step 3: flash said tune to your car with DICE unit.
      Step 4: log a few runs and return data to Hilton
      Step 5: flash revised tune to car
      Thanks for the thoughtful replies, fella's.

      Correct if I'm wrong, but I sense an inference that a) you guys may like "Hilton" and, b) I'd be better off to do the intake work before I do the flash, yes? Ergo, flash last?

      As I've never heard of "Hilton" until this moment, can someone please provide a bit more detail and a link? Also, school me on "Dice unit". I've been a car-spoiled son of a car dealer all my life and campaigned a Triumph Spitfire in SCCA for a few years, so I'm not a total neophyte, but where concerns V cars, I am fundamentally out of my depth and in dire need of some tender hand holding.

      Finally, what's my best option for the charge pipe? All i've been looking at basically is ipd. I only discovered Elevate very recently. Are there other; better, less expensive alternatives?
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      Why are you wasting money on a charge pipe? That's fing useless.

      DiCE is the name of the Volvo box that interfaces the car to the computer. VIDA is Volvo's diagnostic software. Sold as a package (VIDA/DiCE).

      Stage 0 the car then modify it. The intake and airbox of the car are the best designed parts... Good to more HP than you will ever use. Just don't go too crazy and make sure to pick the right tuner... or you'll break a cylinder wall!

      Google Hilton tuning.

      Forget IPD or Elevate. Look at Do88 or Snabb if you really want an intake pipe for some dumb reason.

      Also never put a K&N in the car.
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      I bought the iPd charge air pipe after my stock one cracked (ahem, houndogger) and it looks a hell of a lot nicer than the oem one.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Basssteakman View Post
      I bought the iPd charge air pipe after my stock one cracked (ahem, houndogger) and it looks a hell of a lot nicer than the oem one.



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      Well if it isn't broken... I know that the 06-07 cars have that issue and replacing the pipe is $$$.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hounddogger View Post
      Why are you wasting money on a charge pipe? That's fing useless.

      DiCE is the name of the Volvo box that interfaces the car to the computer. VIDA is Volvo's diagnostic software. Sold as a package (VIDA/DiCE).

      Stage 0 the car then modify it. The intake and airbox of the car are the best designed parts... Good to more HP than you will ever use. Just don't go too crazy and make sure to pick the right tuner... or you'll break a cylinder wall!

      Google Hilton tuning.

      Forget IPD or Elevate. Look at Do88 or Snabb if you really want an intake pipe for some dumb reason.

      Also never put a K&N in the car.
      Why not K&N? I've run it since 2003 and no issues!!!


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      Depends which K&N filter. Non-oiled is fine, oiled will eventually ruin your MAF. Not much reason to go for either over stock, as it's not much of a performance bottleneck.

      Ditto with the OTE/charge air pipe. On a stock turbo, even at higher states of tune, it's not the big bottleneck in the system, so no practical reason to replace unless it's actually broken.

      Herf n Turf, you should do some reading on here if you're trying to screw more performance out of your R, identify what the actual performance bottlenecks are instead of just replacing likely-sounding parts. Intercooler, downpipe, and exhaust should come first, don't really need to touch intake parts until you get past stage 2.
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      *tips fedora to m'flash*
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      I dont know whats the issue you guys having with oiled K&N filter. Iv been running mine for close to 2 years and never had problems. Ran EST oiled filter for close to 2 years as well and never had issue with the MAF nor CEL. Even had AFE Pro 5R oiled filter and never had single issue.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 3AK47 View Post
      I dont know whats the issue you guys having with oiled K&N filter. Iv been running mine for close to 2 years and never had problems. Ran EST oiled filter for close to 2 years as well and never had issue with the MAF nor CEL. Even had AFE Pro 5R oiled filter and never had single issue.
      Yeah, some of the filters come over dosed with oil so you have to put them outside and let them sit in a warm environment to let them dry out before using them.
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      ^ Good point. I dont also use the refill kit to restore the filter. I just get a new one.

      Oh and OP. Save the hustle and get Hilton Tune like the rest of us recommend. Had a custom dyno tune and it was SH!T. Had Stage 2 in my previous GT and Stage 2.5 in my current MT. Works amazing and excellent customer service/feedback from the Mr. Hilton himself!

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      Quote Originally Posted by 3AK47 View Post
      ^ Good point. I dont also use the refill kit to restore the filter. I just get a new one.

      Oh and OP. Save the hustle and get Hilton Tune like the rest of us recommend. Had a custom dyno tune and it was SH!T. Had Stage 2 in my previous GT and Stage 2.5 in my current MT. Works amazing and excellent customer service/feedback from the Mr. Hilton himself!
      +1 Robert is a great guy. If you can't afford his pricing, talk to @contrast here on SS.

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      Eyyy, thanks man for the word 😍
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      Quote Originally Posted by contrast View Post
      Eyyy, thanks man for the word 😍
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hounddogger View Post
      Why are you wasting money on a charge pipe? That's fing useless.

      DiCE is the name of the Volvo box that interfaces the car to the computer. VIDA is Volvo's diagnostic software. Sold as a package (VIDA/DiCE).

      Stage 0 the car then modify it. The intake and airbox of the car are the best designed parts... Good to more HP than you will ever use. Just don't go too crazy and make sure to pick the right tuner... or you'll break a cylinder wall!

      Google Hilton tuning.

      Forget IPD or Elevate. Look at Do88 or Snabb if you really want an intake pipe for some dumb reason.

      Also never put a K&N in the car.
      Quote Originally Posted by taloras View Post
      Depends which K&N filter. Non-oiled is fine, oiled will eventually ruin your MAF. Not much reason to go for either over stock, as it's not much of a performance bottleneck.

      Ditto with the OTE/charge air pipe. On a stock turbo, even at higher states of tune, it's not the big bottleneck in the system, so no practical reason to replace unless it's actually broken.

      Herf n Turf, you should do some reading on here if you're trying to screw more performance out of your R, identify what the actual performance bottlenecks are instead of just replacing likely-sounding parts. Intercooler, downpipe, and exhaust should come first, don't really need to touch intake parts until you get past stage 2.
      Thanks again for the helpful replies, fella's. I have been doing a little more research and indeed it seems that a true FMIC is the way to go. The price for the "Ultimate" isn't too awful, but it appears the labor for the install might be scary. IIRC, the guys at Snabb said something like 6 hours. Does that sound about right?

      As far as the intake, I've just always assumed everything benefited from more available air, which in my own defense, is true in approximately 90% of applications.

      Since I already have the ipd cat-back, do I need to stay with them for the dp too? In addition to being on killer sale, I prefer the noise to the other two I've heard, Borla being a fairly close second.

      I really don't want to get involved in engine internals. I just want to get to 350 bhp, or close thereto and call it a day. Will the above (with the Hilton flash) get me there, or reasonably close?

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      Turbo-back exhaust and FMIC is stage 2. With a good tune and those mods, you'll get right around that goal. And no, the brands of downpipes don't need to match as long as they're all drop-in replacements: I'm running a RacerTodd/RaceS60R downpipe with an Evolve exhaust, and fitment for both was perfect.
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