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      Which R-Design: V90 T6 or XC60 T8?

      V90 T6 MSRP = $55,950
      XC60 T8 MSRP = $56,200 (minus $4585 tax credit) equals $51,650

      I'll take the 400HP option!

      Plus with the available 4-wheel air suspension you can get the ride height down close to the wagon.

      IMO, this illustrates how Volvo is not really serious about moving wagons.
      Last edited by DCPattie; 05-20-2017 at 05:51 AM.
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      IMO, you have illustrated why wagons aren't moving. :P
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      Order a V90 Polestar
      I can guarantee that you may never pass another on the road as there will be a literal handful in the US.
      The hp is upped to close to 350 and it is lighter than an XC90 so the speed difference is pretty close!
      It will run rings around it, handling wise too.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DCPattie View Post
      V90 T6 MSRP = $55,950
      XC60 T8 MSRP = $56,200 (minus $7500 tax credit) equals $48700

      I'll take the 400HP option!

      Plus with the available 4-wheel air suspension you can get the ride height down close to the wagon.

      IMO, this illustrates how Volvo is not really serious about moving wagons.
      It's rear air suspension in the S90, V90 and V90CC only.


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      Quote Originally Posted by JRL View Post
      Order a V90 Polestar
      I can guarantee that you may never pass another on the road as there will be a literal handful in the US.
      The hp is upped to close to 350 and it is lighter than an XC90 so the speed difference is pretty close!
      It will run rings around it, handling wise too.
      Are the V90s secretly making more hp than advertised?

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      I'd be surprised if they were. Specs are 330hp and 325lb-ft of torque with the Polestar tune, at least for the Cross Country.
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      The Federal Tax Credit is $4585 for the XC90 T8 and just asked my dealer here in NJ and he said the XC60 T8 will be $4585.; only EV cars qualify for the full $7500 tax credit. Sadly NJ doesn't look to offer any other credits for having Plug-In Hybrids, just EZ-Pass discount for bridges/tolls.
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      To be specific for the curious: "the credit is equal to $2,500 plus, for a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a battery with at least 5 kilowatt hours of capacity, $417, plus an additional $417 for each kilowatt hour of battery capacity in excess of 5 kilowatt hours. The total amount of the credit allowed for a vehicle is limited to $7,500." - Link
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      Quote Originally Posted by matt1122 View Post
      To be specific for the curious: "the credit is equal to $2,500 plus, for a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a battery with at least 5 kilowatt hours of capacity, $417, plus an additional $417 for each kilowatt hour of battery capacity in excess of 5 kilowatt hours. The total amount of the credit allowed for a vehicle is limited to $7,500." - Link
      Here is the link for every car with its max Federal and here is the link for each states additional credits.
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      What's the weight difference between the T6 and T8? I doubt battery packs are light. That 400hp may be negatively impacted by power to weight ratio.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DCPattie View Post
      V90 T6 MSRP = $55,950
      XC60 T8 MSRP = $56,200 (minus $7500 tax credit) equals $48700

      I'll take the 400HP option!

      Plus with the available 4-wheel air suspension you can get the ride height down close to the wagon.

      IMO, this illustrates how Volvo is not really serious about moving wagons.
      Yes, the new XC60 T8 option hands down. The V90 needed to be bigger, cheaper (in T8 guise), and have the four corner air option, to compare favorably. A V90 P* version would make a difference, but then for how much in T8? $80K+?
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      Quote Originally Posted by PureDrive07 View Post
      The Federal Tax Credit is $4585 for the XC90 T8 and just asked my dealer here in NJ and he said the XC60 T8 will be $4585.; only EV cars qualify for the full $7500 tax credit. Sadly NJ doesn't look to offer any other credits for having Plug-In Hybrids, just EZ-Pass discount for bridges/tolls.
      You'e right - I edited my post to reflect this. Still the XC60 T8 is less expensive.

      I do like the stance better on the V90 but since the wagon only has air suspension in the rear (no actual ride height adjustment) and the XC60 is all four corners (actually can adjust ride height) I bet the actual ride heights are fairly close with the air suspension option on its lowest setting on the XC60.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DCPattie View Post
      You'e right - I edited my post to reflect this. Still the XC60 T8 is less expensive.

      I do like the stance better on the V90 but since the wagon only has air suspension in the rear (no actual ride height adjustment) and the XC60 is all four corners (actually can adjust ride height) I bet the actual ride heights are fairly close with the air suspension option on its lowest setting on the XC60.
      Does anyone know the actual ride heights of the V90cc vs XC60 without air suspension option? And what the range of ride heights is with air suspension. I have a preference for the V90 but am not willing to pay a large price premium. But, I am concerned about the handling of the XC60, and while ride height is certainly not the only parameter that matters, it still is important.

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      Ground clearance:

      V90 Cross Country = 8.3 inches
      XC60 Steel Suspension = 8.5 inches
      XC60 Air Suspension = 8.2 inches

      Don't know what the range is for the air suspension.

      With its slightly shorter wheelbase and higher center of gravity (4.5" higher at roof, not sure which suspension that is), I doubt the XC60 will handle as well as the V90 CC. Volvo has made it clear that this is a luxury crossover and that it does not try to be a sports car. But the V90 CC isn't a sports car either. I doubt either will leave someone looking for a comfortable ride wanting more in the handling department. Some prototype reviews are starting to surface, I'd check those out.
      Last edited by matt1122; 05-20-2017 at 12:19 PM.
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      It seems we have to be resigned to paying more for wagons in this country. Just seems to be the way it is, and it makes sense given the much lower volumes. That tax break is pretty significant, but I don't think the XC60 and V90 either R or CC are at all comparable. Apart from better handling of the wagon, the V90 is significantly larger inside, better rear leg room, and a level up in overall luxury. XC60 looks like an awesome crossover, but it's still got all the compromises of any crossover/suv. All depends what you really want, and whether you want to shell out for the US wagon premium. I did.

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