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      Shock spring seat major fail?!!? What to do??

      I don't know how long this was running in this state. I was having intermittent high beam failure messages and decided to see if it's a loose cable or something. To my horror I saw this and just noticed a bump on my hood. WTF? Is this poor parts? All new IPD HD everything. Or did my shop ( which is now out of business) made a mistake on the install?
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      Temp fix, going to get nuts and double up on the metal straps.


      Other side seems to be ok
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      Wtf this should never ever happen. There should be a seat for the spring and bearing in between and then a cup with mountaing points and the rod should never ever blow through like it did. Something was not installed in the assembly to cause this!!!


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      Looks like your spring seat ripped itself through but not totally sure. How could this happen? I imagine that front corner of the car was sagging down?
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      I bought all new 4C shocks for all four corners, IPD HD spring seats for the fronts, IPD Springs, IPD track anti-sway bars. IPD HD end links several thousand dollars and less than a year later this is what I get!!

      All to replace a worn spring seat and shock. I should have just gone with and xc90 spring seat...

      I contacted IPD. I don't know what the warranty is and the coverage is for damage.

      I added straps and new bolts on top of the existing nuts.
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      Quote Originally Posted by kelsey View Post
      Looks like your spring seat ripped itself through but not totally sure. How could this happen? I imagine that front corner of the car was sagging down?
      There isn't that much gas charge in the strut, and its still pushing against the hood, so as long as the strut is still pointed in the right direction you likely wouldn't notice any change in the car's stance with it like this.

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      I've seen aftermarket spring seats do this. Not worth the cost savings. Genuine springs seats only and we all know they still don't last forever.
      Years ago I had a customers car where a strut went through the hood. Said he hit a large pot hole. Sometimes it just happens.
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      Quote Originally Posted by kelsey View Post
      Looks like your spring seat ripped itself through but not totally sure. How could this happen? I imagine that front corner of the car was sagging down?
      No sag that I noticed. But the car did feel squirrelly last two days and I was going to check tire pressures.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oceans60R View Post
      I've seen aftermarket spring seats do this. Not worth the cost savings. Genuine springs seats only and we all know they still don't last forever.
      Years ago I had a customers car where a strut went through the hood. Said he hit a large pot hole. Sometimes it just happens.
      I wasn't going after cost savings, I thought I was going after better performance. I purchased IPD HD spring seats and on their site it says better than OE. Now I'm really livid!!

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      I recall hearing some things about not using IPD's spring seats for this reason, rather it was better to upgrade to XC90 type. If I'm not mistaken, some others have had spring seat failures from these; maybe someone else can back me up on that.
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      IPD HD is exact same thing as XC90 spring mounts. Wow, I've never seen a spring seat fail like this. Perhaps the shop didn't replace them and put old ones on.
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      I had new shocks and springs put in so it's not much more work to swap them. It's also the main reason I did the suspension work since the old ones where getting replaced. I had clunking on the front right passenger. It seems the front right passenger had a major fail again but can't believe it was so fast.
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      That doesn't look like a very new spring seat.

      Spring seats can indeed fail like that. (obviously) but yes it happens some. Seen it quite a few times when I was in the biz.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shurgen View Post
      IPD HD is exact same thing as XC90 spring mounts. Wow, I've never seen a spring seat fail like this. Perhaps the shop didn't replace them and put old ones on.
      Really? I thought it was their in-house version of it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Paisley Pirate View Post
      That doesn't look like a very new spring seat.

      Spring seats can indeed fail like that. (obviously) but yes it happens some. Seen it quite a few times when I was in the biz.
      I know I brought in all brand new IPD parts and now you guys have me wondering if I got duped and he installed old ones.

      The shop and the guy running it was reputable and had a good R following. He told me the old ones fell apart once they got the springs off. Only real way to tell is to bring it to my $tealer ..er dealer to have it fixed and ask for the old one back.
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      Early march I had the same issue with the Lemforder spring mounts. 1 year old part failed.


      http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthr...BILSTEIN/page9


      What I was able to gather, Volvo discovered the original spring seats mounts were weak - common failure - on S60/V70/XC70 range and replaced it with the stronger XC90 version.
      20152 01 is the Lemforder part number what I was using and it failed within a year.
      Looking at the ZF catalogue: https://webcat.zf.com/ it seems the 20152 01 is the older design/version and the X90 isn't listed as suitable candidate/model.
      Moreover cannot seem to find any strut mount bearings - within the same ZF catalogue - available for the X90.

      As my car is a right hand drive (Ireland) the passenger side failed first due to it gets more hit vs the driver side.

      According to the parts dept @ the dealership, the Volvo branded X90 spring seat mount has 2 year warranty.
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      damn LOL that thing is poking out


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      I've never seen a seat fail that bad. That's a bummer.


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      I think the suspension limiter is bent out of shape and now the shock is bottoming out.

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      oh snap
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      Seeing this made me check mine. Needless to say I just ordered the kit from fcp euro.


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      Hmm, feel sorry for ya!

      Dissapointment when you invest bigtime and get this as a result.

      I have brandnew IPD springseats and a new swaybar-set lying around to be installed here.
      Not very keen on installing those now, think i am also going to buy XC90 ones.

      Incident or not, with IPD's I will not be driving around very relaxed with this in the back of my mind.

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      i just when to dealer to get oe XC90 it came up as same sku for all s60 xc70 etc. the part is very very stiff!!

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      My advice, get the Volvo branded one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by htomi View Post
      My advice, get the Volvo branded one.
      Yes I did, 55 ea and brought my car limping along to my local shop.
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      I just bought new HD IPD seats 2 weeks ago and the guy behind the counter says the ones I bought were a brand new design that had a flange welded to the steel bushing that is molded into the seat. So IPD may have the best solution- of course a flange may create another failure mode unless they did a ton of testing but they are trying to address this exact failure.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shaun View Post
      I just bought new HD IPD seats 2 weeks ago and the guy behind the counter says the ones I bought were a brand new design that had a flange welded to the steel bushing that is molded into the seat. So IPD may have the best solution- of course a flange may create another failure mode unless they did a ton of testing but they are trying to address this exact failure.
      IPD doesn't do any real mechanical engineering of their products... You want to fix the spring seat failure? Don't use a rubber spring seat.
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      The guy said..... isn't really comforting!

      I also talk a lot ;-)

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      probably the only real permanent way to fix the issue: https://www.kaplhenke.com/products/f...le-strut-mount
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      Here's what you could end up with when it gets really bad

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      Quote Originally Posted by pitogo View Post
      oh snap
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      This is a known problem, your not the only one. It will happen when they completely fail. While I do think Volvo should have put a cup type solid steel support bracket over top of this to prevent blow though. Those straps likely won't last long depending what kind of bumps you hit... I see they failed.

      These are just common wear items like tires.

      How it happens? Consider driving around in advanced and hit a big pothole. The strut stiffens and all the downforce of the car is supported/ controlled by the strut shaft more than the spring. Naturally the upper point of the shock is the shaft and all the force is loaded there. Rubber weakens and it breaks through.

      Check your jounce bumpers/ bump stops on the strut shaft. They get pretty worn after 100k and bottoming out the strut hard will add damage the mount. The amount of travel shown in the first pic is surpising, maybe the angle of the pic, but looks like near 8"+.. Ipd lowered the car that much.
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      That is incorrect. The car increases damping in advanced... It becomes close to critically damped and that means the force of the pothole is dissipated in a single bounce of the shock instead of over multiple bounces.
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