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Swedespeed Poll: Which P1 R Model Should Volvo Build Sharing Focus RS Engine/Drivetrain Development? | 12:15 PM 12-19-2007 | |
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News surfaced this week that Ford will definitely build a P1-chassis Euro Focus RS, presumably with AWD and a 300bhp version of the Volvo 2.4T that powers the Focus ST, Volvo C30, S40, V50 and C70. We'd heard rumors of a C30R in development, and this news bolsters the idea.If you were a product planner at Volvo, for which P1 Volvo would you add an R variant? Of course, we'd love to see all of them get the R treatment, but this poll is to figure out which one our readers would most like to see.
Online Poll » Results
| C30 (47%, 116 votes) |    | | C70 (21%, 52 votes) |    | | S40 (18%, 46 votes) |    | | V50 (11%, 29 votes) |    |
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V70 Brad
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» | 7:10 PM 12-19-2007 | |
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I would like to see a 300 HP C70. IMHO, one of these would END the "C70 VS. 3xxCI" discussion that I see here from time to time.
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Re: (V70 Brad) » | 5:06 AM 12-20-2007 | |
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+1
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Re: (V70 Brad) » | 9:22 AM 12-20-2007 | |
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1 small problem. The current C70 won't support an AWD setup.
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Re: (VolvoMax) » | 10:25 AM 12-20-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax » | 1 small problem. The current C70 won't support an AWD setup. |
That's fine. But more horsepower in a C70R version would still be a good thing, even if it wasn't of much use right off the line. Even if it wasn't 300 hp, something in the neighborhood of 260 or so would be very cool.
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Re: (reschleicher) » | 10:39 AM 12-20-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by reschleicher » | That's fine. But more horsepower in a C70R version would still be a good thing, even if it wasn't of much use right off the line. Even if it wasn't 300 hp, something in the neighborhood of 260 or so would be very cool. |
Great,then the usual suspects will complain about the torque steer If Volvo were to do someting like this,they had better do it RIGHT. That means AWD. That means a new chassis for the C70. Just half a$$ing this and adding more hp isn't the right solution.
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Re: (VolvoMax) » | 11:26 AM 12-20-2007 | |
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The C70 is an amazing machine, but it just seems to play to a different crowd...most of whom couldn't care less about 300hp...
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Re: Swedespeed Poll: Which P1 R Model Should Volvo Build Sharing Focus RS En ... (George@Swedespeed) » | 12:00 PM 12-20-2007 | |
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i would like to see an s40r, but not necessarily w/ awd. my dream s40: volvo s40 3.2R (waving magic wand) 3.2 i6 w/ 109 hp per liter = 349+ hp. 8000 rpm redline. transverse mount engine, but 6-speed manual trans w/ rwd output. lightweight header & exhaust system, roof, trunklid, suspension. tastefully flared, understated, wide-bodywork covering 10-inch wide rear wheels. limited slip rear. big brakes. under 3100 lbs. did i miss anything?
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Re: Swedespeed Poll: Which P1 R Model Should Volvo Build Sharing Focus RS En ... (mmb.net99) » | 2:40 AM 12-22-2007 | |
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The P1/C1 platform is nearly dead. The transmission of this Euro focus RS may share his components with next 2009-2010 generation of EUCD S60/V50.
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Re: (VolvoMax) » | 11:52 AM 12-23-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax » | Great,then the usual suspects will complain about the torque steer |
i hear LSDs work magic, instead of torque put to one wheel it goes to TWO, imagine what that would do for torque steer....
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» | 9:22 AM 12-25-2007 | |
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s40r yup. That's the ticket to chow on WRX's STi's, Evo's, M3's.
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Re: (VolvoMax) » | 3:06 AM 12-26-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax » | Great,then the usual suspects will complain about the torque steer |
How does one get to torque steer from 300 hp? On a FWD car, torque steer is more about unequal length drive shafts than hp increases. Last I checked, the C70 has the same intermediate shaft that the S40/V50 cars have. So where is the torque steer going to come from?
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» | 8:57 AM 12-27-2007 | |
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V50R, ala Audi RS4 Avant
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Re: (VolvoMax) » | 10:02 PM 12-29-2007 | |
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Volvomax,You mentioned in your post above that the C70 would need a new chassis to get AWD. I think I've also heard this from several other sources, but have always wondered about it. Since the S40 has an AWD option, I would have thought that it would be relatively easy to give the C70 AWD. With the C70 already being pretty heavy I can understand why it wouldn't make sense to offer AWD with the current 227 hp T5 engine. But is there any other reason that would prevent AWD in the C70, if they did come out with a higher output R version? It might cut into an already small trunk space (with the top down), but I would still think that the basic platform should allow it. Anyway, I was just curious if you had any other info on this.
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Re: (JayDub) » | 10:44 AM 12-30-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by JayDub » | V50R, ala Audi RS4 Avant |
If the V50, why not the S40 as well? They both have the same drivetrain, so an R for one should be an R for the other as well.
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Re: (reschleicher) » | 10:50 AM 12-30-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by reschleicher » | | Volvomax, You mentioned in your post above that the C70 would need a new chassis to get AWD. I think I've also heard this from several other sources, but have always wondered about it. Since the S40 has an AWD option, I would have thought that it would be relatively easy to give the C70 AWD. With the C70 already being pretty heavy I can understand why it wouldn't make sense to offer AWD with the current 227 hp T5 engine. But is there any other reason that would prevent AWD in the C70, if they did come out with a higher output R version? It might cut into an already small trunk space (with the top down), but I would still think that the basic platform should allow it. Anyway, I was just curious if you had any other info on this. |
I am not VolvoMax, but I will try to answer your question. As you observe, the clearance in the C70 chassis' trunk area is rather tight. Adding the rear driveline components for AWD will require a re-design of the rear chassis, which is a non-trivial effort. Given the cost of the re-design effort, from a cost containment perspective, it would be more likely to see an R edition of the S40/V50 cars, since they already have provision for AWD. The question is whether the folks at Volvo see it that way. They may feel that there is no need for a P1 R version; in which case, you ain't gonna get one. They are that stubborn.
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Re: (reschleicher) » | 8:41 AM 12-31-2007 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by reschleicher » | | Volvomax, You mentioned in your post above that the C70 would need a new chassis to get AWD. I think I've also heard this from several other sources, but have always wondered about it. Since the S40 has an AWD option, I would have thought that it would be relatively easy to give the C70 AWD. With the C70 already being pretty heavy I can understand why it wouldn't make sense to offer AWD with the current 227 hp T5 engine. But is there any other reason that would prevent AWD in the C70, if they did come out with a higher output R version? It might cut into an already small trunk space (with the top down), but I would still think that the basic platform should allow it. Anyway, I was just curious if you had any other info on this. |
If you look underneath a C70, you will see that the chassis reinforcing bars run directly through where the driveshaft would go. To relocate those reinforcements would mean making the gas tank smaller for starters. Plus, the additional weight of the drive system would mean a larger more powerful engine would be needed.
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Re: (VolvoMax) » | 11:13 AM 1-3-2008 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by VolvoMax » | If you look underneath a C70, you will see that the chassis reinforcing bars run directly through where the driveshaft would go. To relocate those reinforcements would mean making the gas tank smaller for starters. Plus, the additional weight of the drive system would mean a larger more powerful engine would be needed. |
This is what I've heard as well. A hardtop C70 coupe would be awesome, but I don't think the numbers would warrant the development costs.
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Re: (JayDub) » | 5:41 PM 1-4-2008 | |
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V50R; +1 MORE!
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Re: Swedespeed Poll: Which P1 R Model Should Volvo Build Sharing Focus RS En ... (George@Swedespeed) » | 9:36 AM 1-6-2008 | |
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c30 all the way
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» | 6:53 PM 1-8-2008 | |
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C30 if the C70 can't handle an AWD system.
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Re: (maxwaver) » | 10:03 AM 1-9-2008 | |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they already planning an "R" designation for C30 and S40, or was that just a styling/interior plan?
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Re: (BeerEngineer) » | 10:26 AM 1-9-2008 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by BeerEngineer » | | Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they already planning an "R" designation for C30 and S40, or was that just a styling/interior plan? |
just styling "R Design"
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» | 2:03 PM 1-10-2008 | |
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how about a whole new car called the "R". not just tacking stuff onto cars that really arent designed for what the R should be. I'm thinking a sporty coupe with 350+ hp. i mean if volvo REALLY wants to be a true competitor with bmw and audi etc, 300 hp isnt going to cut it because both of them offer regular engines with around 300 hp...
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Re: (2004volvos60R) » | 3:13 PM 1-10-2008 | |
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| Quote, originally posted by 2004volvos60R » | | how about a whole new car called the "R". not just tacking stuff onto cars that really arent designed for what the R should be. I'm thinking a sporty coupe with 350+ hp. i mean if volvo REALLY wants to be a true competitor with bmw and audi etc, 300 hp isnt going to cut it because both of them offer regular engines with around 300 hp... |
Nice idea. Only problem is the development costs would choke a herd of elephants.
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