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'16XC90FirstEdition
12-18-2014, 08:58 AM
Whats the main difference between Onyx Black and Ember Black? How is Volvo's paint quality? This will be my first black car in a while so I'm nervous about keeping it clean and new looking. Either way, I cant wait for my First Edition.

Paradox
12-18-2014, 09:13 AM
Consider either applying opti-gloss yourself or if not the detailing kind of guy have an approved detailer apply opti-coat pro. Then follow the two bucket wash method to avoid swirling your paint. If you are an automatic car wash kind of person black is hard to maintain 'properly'.

As for their paint quality, I don't know. I know it's water based which I'm not a fan of but more companies are going that route so...

The ember black looks in pics to have a bit of brown to it. If it's an old volvo color perhaps someone knows for sure. I think onyx black is new beginning with this vehcile. It's basically a metallic black.

Links:

http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-opti-coat.html

http://opti-coat.net/approved-dealers.php

http://www.autogeek.net/car-wash-bucket.html

12-18-2014, 09:42 AM
Ember black is a pretty color. Depending on the lighting conditions it may appear black or a dark metallic brown. Our 2012 Long-term S60 T6 was painted Ember Black.




https://www.swedespeed.com/emAlbum/albums/Features/Project%20Cars/Project%20S60%20T6%20AWD%20(2011)/2012_Review/IMG_3040.jpg


https://www.swedespeed.com/emAlbum/albums/Features/Project%20Cars/Project%20S60%20T6%20AWD%20(2011)/2012_Review/IMG_3053.jpg

'16XC90FirstEdition
12-18-2014, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the tips on how to keep it looking new. Im not the automatic car wash type so I will definitely look into these products. Ember black is a great color. Hopefully Onyx will be just as beautiful.

Paradox
12-18-2014, 10:24 AM
I too am eager to see it (Onyx Black) in person. Having owned several black vehicles (I'm a detail 'nut' so I don't mind maintaining black) something still black but different is welcome. My father, many many years ago, had a Toyota matrix that had a metallic black paint. It looked black most of the time but when the light hit it just right and the metallic flakes popped out it really looked decent. I'm sure the paint job Volvo does will look even far superior to that which was on a Toyota Matrix.

'16XC90FirstEdition
12-18-2014, 10:30 AM
I have a family member with a black '08 XC70. After 190,000 flawless miles, the black paint job seems to be holding up well. Some swirl marks but overall it looks good still. By the way, if not for living and driving on Ohio's salty roads, my cars would be spotless. I know all about that "detail" aspect-as I am one of them.

Paradox
12-18-2014, 10:43 AM
Opti-coat is amazing. I've been using it on me and my fathers vehicles for about 4 years now. It basically doesn't wear off like wax or other traditional sealants unless actually polished off. Water just beads and beads and sheets and sheets off it. Bird crap etc won't etch the paint either and regular washings become so much easier with opti-coat on it. It's harder than a traditional clear coat (it basically becomes another layer of clear coat) but can still get swirl marked if improperly washed or dried with crappy dry towels etc.

The most important thing about opti-gloss application is proper prep. You have to polish the paint first and then do an IPA wipedown to ensure there are no oils/other sealants or waxes on the paint or else it will not adhere and cure properly. Best and easiest polish I like to use is their own hyper polish spray. Sprays easy and evenly on a pad and wipes off easily with no powder flying around. http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-hyper-polish-spray.html

Also, as you apply opti-gloss in small areas at a time, after allowing a few minutes for it to flash, make sure you gently wipe 'high spots' with a good micro fiber towel or else it'll cure with those high spots showing and you'll have to polish them out and reapply in that area. Good lighting is a must during application for this reason. There are tons of videos on application on youtube should you want to see/read more about it down the road. FYI, the consumer version used to be called opti-coat 2.0 until a few months ago when now it is renamed opti-gloss. They claim opti-gloss is guaranteed 2 years whereas 2.0 was advertised as semi-permanent but in the end, they really just want to try and push people to go with their pro version which is only sold to authorized detailers. The pro version does come with a 5 year guarantee though.

Paradox
12-18-2014, 11:14 AM
BTW, just to add to the above after hearing you are into detailing as well ( :) ) I bought this stuff 2 weeks ago because they had a 25% off coupon going on. It's like a sealant for leather, dirt won't stick/embed into it and fluids bead and roll off. I plan on applying it to the Amber leather in my First Edition after it arrives.

here's the link to the product: http://www.autogeek.net/cquartz-leather-coating.html

And here's a video of someone applying it and showing it's water beading ability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hHHA2WPJv0

Jekecy
12-18-2014, 11:23 AM
BTW, just to add to the above after hearing you are into detailing as well ( :) ) I bought this stuff 2 weeks ago because they had a 25% off coupon going on. It's like a sealant for leather, dirt won't stick/embed into it and fluids bead and roll off. I plan on applying it to the Amber leather in my First Edition after it arrives.

here's the link to the product: http://www.autogeek.net/cquartz-leather-coating.html

And here's a video of someone applying it and showing it's water beading ability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hHHA2WPJv0
Thanks for the link, will definitely look into that.

Any references as to how long it will last per coat?

Paradox
12-18-2014, 11:30 AM
Thanks for the link, will definitely look into that.

Any references as to how long it will last per coat?

Sure thing. On their website it says durability is 1 to 2 years. I'm wondering if on seats that aren't used anywhere near as often as the drivers will it last even longer? Or will it last even less on the drivers seat and 1-2 years on the others. It's a new product from them so there isn't much info out there on it yet in terms of durability. I cannot direct link to it but here's their website link, then scroll down and down and you'll see it listed: http://cquartz.com/



CQUARTZ LEATHER
CQuartz Leather & Vinyl is the ultimate in protection for both leather and vinyl surfaces throughout your vehicle! Our new high tech formula was created using only the highest quality ingredients available and offers a beautiful “better than new” finish with no added gloss! It was designed to provide an excellent combination of soft to the touch tactile feel, extreme protection, and unbelievable durability. CQuartz Leather & Vinyl was specifically developed to resist stains, dirt, jean dye transfer, and UV rays for years to come. Maintenance of your interior surfaces becomes as simple as wiping with a damp towel and walking away!
CQuartz Leather & Vinyl has been tested against a variety of chemicals and conditions including mud, grease, dye transfer, crayons, and even super glue! CQuartz Leather & Vinyl does NOT fade or yellow in extreme UV and protects the existing materials with UV inhibitors integrated into the formula to provide the ultimate in UV protection as well. Protect your interior to the same degree you protect your paint with CQuartz Leather & Vinyl coating!
Features and Specifications:
• Durability: 1 to 2 years
• Resists dye transfer
• Hydrophobic & Oil Phobic
• Stain resistant
• Chemical resistant
• UV resistant
• “Easy clean” effect
• Preserves color and resists fading
Materials:
• Finished Leather
• Vinyl
• Synthetic leather
• Interior plastic and Wood
DETAILS
PRODUCT TYPE : Coating

'16XC90FirstEdition
12-18-2014, 12:08 PM
Thanks for all the great info! I like applying high quality products to the paint for protection. I will definitely give it a try!

'16XC90FirstEdition
12-18-2014, 12:26 PM
Different question....Will the XC90 have remote start for the First Edition?

Paradox
12-18-2014, 12:44 PM
Different question....Will the XC90 have remote start for the First Edition?

Yes. There is also an app you can download that has a demo mode. The app is pretty cool, you can see fuel level, remote start the car, set up times for remote start, check mpg and more.

Jekecy
12-18-2014, 12:48 PM
Unfortunately from the reviews I've read of Volvo First Call, at least on iOS, those functions barely work.

Hopefully Volvo gets that sorted out sooner rather than later.

'16XC90FirstEdition
12-18-2014, 12:56 PM
Now that you mentioned the app, I recall hearing all the features it can do. Its similar to Acura's app for our MDX. Acuras app has been great-no problems. Knowing Volvo, they will fix any glitches.

Paradox
12-18-2014, 01:03 PM
If Chevy could get their app working well for the Volt I owned I'm sure Volvo can get theirs squared away as well, but just like you said Jekecy, hopefully it is sooner rather than later.

Infinity has one for my QX60 and let me tell you, underwhelmed is too nice a word to describe it.

Conradi
12-18-2014, 05:47 PM
I'm doubting. I ordered with Twilight Bronze but until now I didn't see any XC90 II in that colour. I’m waiting with the final selection until we can see them real life.

itwontstopsnowin
12-19-2014, 07:56 PM
I absolutely love the Ember Black paint on my S80. I always said I would never own a black car, but this paint has totally changed my opinion. In direct sun, it looks about the color of root beer. It's stunning. When I was at the Volvo Cars Owners Day last year, several people asked me if it was a custom paint job. After 250k miles, and several runs through an automatic car wash every week, my paint still looks fantastic. The only exception is quite a bit of road rash on the front bumper. I haven't seen Onyx Black in person, so I can't comment on it, but in pictures, it looks to have kind of a gray metallic thing going on.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1381268_10153251549185411_799590960_n.jpg?oh=a92ed a2583c7d68edace466f8e3319ba&oe=5541CF8D

GrecianVolvo
12-19-2014, 09:36 PM
Unfortunately from the reviews I've read of Volvo First Call, at least on iOS, those functions barely work.

Hopefully Volvo gets that sorted out sooner rather than later.

The functions do work. There have been some general outages in the past couple of months; one was attributed to AT&T having applied a software update that had a conflict with the service. It was restored within a day. Overall, the app works as designed and it is improving.

GregK
12-20-2014, 10:39 AM
Ditto on the Ember black metallic.......

Paradox
12-31-2014, 09:49 AM
For anyone who may have been considering the products I spoke about above, or if you need other detailing products, autogeek has the sought after sale on right now- 25% off AND free shipping with no minimum order: http://www.autogeek.net/promospecials.html

Get your stuff early and save now if you want anything IMO. Enjoy all and happy new year!

napster
12-31-2014, 10:32 AM
For anyone who may have been considering the products I spoke about above, or if you need other detailing products, autogeek has the sought after sale on right now- 25% off AND free shipping with no minimum order: http://www.autogeek.net/promospecials.html

Get your stuff early and save now if you want anything IMO. Enjoy all and happy new year!

Paradox:

I have been using Zaino products for the past few years. I like the clear seal since it is wipe on and no buffing. It lasts about 6-9 months.

How do you think OptiCoat compares to Zaino in terms of pro's and con's.

Paradox
12-31-2014, 11:19 AM
Paradox:

I have been using Zaino products for the past few years. I like the clear seal since it is wipe on and no buffing. It lasts about 6-9 months.

How do you think OptiCoat compares to Zaino in terms of pro's and con's.

Opti-coat has yet to wear off my vehicles whereas Zaino, which I too used before Opti-coat, does wear off like you said in 6-9 months depending on if it is garage kept/outdoor kept etc.

Zaino is great and like I said, it used to be my go to stuff before I found out about Optimum Polymer Technologies Opti-Coat. Like I mentioned, Opti-coat 2.0 WAS their consumer sealant but they stopped making that and now consumers must buy Optimum gloss-coat ( http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-gloss-coat-paint-coating.html ). It 'supposedly' lasts 2 years but I and other bet it is longer especially if garage kept. They basically did this change to get people to move over to having Opti-Pro professionally done by authorized detailers. I still prefer doing my own cars personally.

Only thing with Opti-coat and probably now gloss-coat is it doesn't have that slick feel. It's weird that it beads water like it does without that just waxed slick feel but it does. But after each wash I go over the vehicle with a quick detailer anyway and it lays down slickness so it's a win/win. As far as quick detailers go, my favorite for slickness and gloss has been Chemical Guys Hybrid V7, amazing gloss and slickness (I buy it in the gallon size on the site, but here is the smaller size link: http://www.autogeek.net/chemical-guys-hybrid-v7-spray-sealant.html )

napster
12-31-2014, 12:02 PM
Thanks Paradox.

I am always looking out for a better detailing product. I may endup getting a authorized detailer to apply the Opticoat to my cars. The wife would not be too happy if spent to much time in the garage or driveway!

Paradox
12-31-2014, 12:11 PM
Sorry, I know I replied but I was in a bit of a rush, let me try and give you pro's and con's like you asked for.

Zaino:

PRO's

Leaves behind that slick, just waxed feel to the paint
If you actually like the process of applying and removing waxes/sealants you still have to re-apply Zaino twice or more a year
Should you have bad washing habits and get swirls, you can simply remove them by polishing before doing a Zaino application job


CON's

You do have to re-apply it as it does wear off eventually
Time lost from doing other things beacuse you have to re-apply it
While offering protection, it does not offer the same level of protection a sealant like opti-coat or gloss-coat can, especially when it comes to etching caused by bird crap for example



Opti-Coat or Gloss-Coat

PRO's

Unsurpassed longevity of product. As long as it is applied properly, you have to actually polish it off to remove it; Or wait for it to wear off on its own which can take years
Because of how hard it cures and bonds to the vehicle surface, it offers better etch and swirl protection than traditional waxes and sealants, such as Zaino
All one has to do really do after their vehicle is opti-coated is maintain with regular car washes (using good wash habits of course).



CON's

It doesn't leave behind a slick, just waxed feel, when you run your hand or finger across the paint. It is still there and beads/sheets water but there is just no slickness to the paint. It does gloss nicely though. If you want even more gloss and slickness, simply after washing the car spray panels with a quick detailer product when drying.
If you're a detail kind of person who actually enjoys the whole polish/seal process, you don't do that anymore once this is applied.
One does have to follow the application process closely. If it is not applied to a squeeky clean surface it will not bond properly. Also, good lighting when applying is important to see high spots during the application process and wipe then gently down with a microfiber. Vidoes can be found on youtube for application.




Hope that helps somewhat, if you have more specific questions feel free to ask me here or via PM, I don't want ot upset the OP or mods here :)

Edit, just saw you replied while I was typing this, lol.

Paradox
01-06-2015, 12:08 PM
This thread kinda went the way of caring for your new (or any vehicles) paint/interior so let me pass this along...

For anyone into detailing or basic waxing/polishing of their vehicles, here's a decent deal on a really good random orbital from Griots Garage through eBay if you were on the fence getting one. It's around $45 off regular price from Griots Garage itself and it ships for free (or two day if you are Prime): http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B009UKUUWE?tag=tbprod-20