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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      Looks great. Definitely looks like you have more clearance with your set up than I have with mine even though the wheel size, offset, and tire size are the same.
      thanks.
      I thought I heard something on a stoplight, bumpy left turn. Will have to take a closer look this weekend on clearance.
      Where did you say you rubbed? inside fender or wheel well/suspension side?

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      Quote Originally Posted by SC-P* View Post
      thanks.
      I thought I heard something on a stoplight, bumpy left turn. Will have to take a closer look this weekend on clearance.
      Where did you say you rubbed? inside fender or wheel well/suspension side?
      Inside fender. You most likely will not hear light rubbing but it will be clearly evident upon close inspection. You should be able to hear the large hits. It is just on the plastic fender liner - no contact with metal. There is so little clearance on mine I am a little surprised it isn't worse. While I think my set up looks great, I will most likely be going with a narrower tire next time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      Inside fender. You most likely will not hear light rubbing but it will be clearly evident upon close inspection. You should be able to hear the large hits. It is just on the plastic fender liner - no contact with metal. There is so little clearance on mine I am a little surprised it isn't worse. While I think my set up looks great, I will most likely be going with a narrower tire next time.
      Wayne T5, I'm with you, we have the same setup and I will go down to a 225/40/19 (also have ET45) if that size is available in a Pilot Alpin. But that will probably be 2-3 years depending on how these new tires wear.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mtnpolestar View Post
      Wayne T5, I'm with you, we have the same setup and I will go down to a 225/40/19 (also have ET45) if that size is available in a Pilot Alpin. But that will probably be 2-3 years depending on how these new tires wear.
      I am thinking 225/45/19 next time around.


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      Clearance is pretty tight - I will leave the Ohlins stiffer until i get summers back on (never thought I'd say that).

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      I'm with SC-P*, with the stiff dampers/springs I have not had any problem with rubbing (235/40/19 ET45) and to be on the safe side I took a Dremel tool and rounded off or beveled the square edge of the inner liner lip which probably gives me another 1-2mm of more clearance now and every bit helps. Plus having the rounded/beveled edge will be much better if there is a slight rub of the tire. This will be fine for the winter. For the summer I am going to see if I can possibly get front inner lips and see if I can fit them to the rear as those are really tucked in nice compared to the back inner lips which are wider and square.

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      I don't know that those front liners would work in the rear without rolling the fenders.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      I don't know that those front liners would work in the rear without rolling the fenders.
      I wondered that, and once pulling one rear one off that would answer that. If that's the case, then I won't bother. Can someone confirm that the rear lip does extend in at a 90 degree angle about the width of the plastic inner lip.
      Probably the case or they would not have made it extend in that deep.

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      Just a heads up. 245/40 R19 sottozero III winter wheels with quad berlins, getting rubbing on the rear on hard turns.. just gotta drive normally and there will be no rubbing lol. Just rubbing the plastic liner.

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      Quote Originally Posted by The_Placebo_Jeffect View Post
      Just a heads up. 245/40 R19 sottozero III winter wheels with quad berlins, getting rubbing on the rear on hard turns.. just gotta drive normally and there will be no rubbing lol. Just rubbing the plastic liner.
      Are your Quad Berlins ET45, I'm assuming so. So far my 235/40/19 don't seem to be rubbing (on ET45)....but they are close to the lip.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mtnpolestar View Post
      I wondered that, and once pulling one rear one off that would answer that. If that's the case, then I won't bother. Can someone confirm that the rear lip does extend in at a 90 degree angle about the width of the plastic inner lip.
      Probably the case or they would not have made it extend in that deep.
      I can confirm - it does. I pulled the liner out a few weeks ago when I first noticed rubbing. All you can do without more extensive modifications is the little plastic trimming that we've done, or just do nothing and allow the tire to take car of that. ;-)
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      After a lot of research on the forum I finally picked up a very reasonably priced winter setup from Tire Rack. The newly listed Andros wheels in 19" and Yokohama Iceguards were on sale. As everyone was having rubbing problems with stock sizes on 45 offset wheels, I went with 225/45/19. Very happy with the set up and they look great. Best of all $1827 shipped with TPMS sensors mounted and everything mounted and balanced. I'd post pics but my attachment to skills are challenged.
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      That's the size I will get next time around. Just don't load up the car too much given the 92 load rating on those tires and drive over 118 mph (T speed rating), lol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by The_Placebo_Jeffect View Post
      Just a heads up. 245/40 R19 sottozero III winter wheels with quad berlins, getting rubbing on the rear on hard turns.. just gotta drive normally and there will be no rubbing lol. Just rubbing the plastic liner.
      Gentlemen,

      You can add 3 mm of clearance to both front and rear wheel wells and retain the stock look. I did it so I could run 15mm spacers with the stock P*rims and tires. I detail the process on post #29 in the VTS Lowering Spring Thread on page 3 of the Forum. It will take you about hour in your driveway.-Oscar II

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      I did see that post Oscar II and appreciate you being so detailed. I don't have a lot of experience (like any) with an angle grinder so I would be a little reticent to take it to my P*.
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      Which model of Andros wheels did you get? They don't show up on TR as fitting the P*.

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      An update on the OEM 20" setup (P* wheels + Pirelli SottoZero) -

      We've had some decent snow in the foothills west of Denver in the last month. I've been using the P* to shuttle back and forth to the airport a bunch of times, go to work, etc. No problems whatsoever. Obviously I'm concerned with deeper (and hard-packed) snow, but up to about 10" or so, it's been fine.

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      Seeing many awesome pictures of P*'s playing in the snow!

      I would love to drive my P* to Tahoe but CHP may require everyone to chain up, even those with snow tires and AWD.
      AFAIK, snow socks are not an option in California as CHP will not accept them as chains.

      So has anyone installed actual chains their P*?
      Is there enough clearance with the 19" P* rims?
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      I would love to drive my P* to Tahoe but CHP may require everyone to chain up, even those with snow tires and AWD.
      AFAIK, snow socks are not an option in California as CHP will not accept them as chains.

      So has anyone installed actual chains their P*?
      Is there enough clearance with the 19" P* rims?[/QUOTE]

      Another thread had this option:

      Polestar recommends the Michelin easy grip chains (size W12), see your P's Manual
      http://ch.michelin-lifestyle.com/en/...hain-easy-grip

      If these are not metal, which they do not appear to be, then this might be the best option vs. metal chains. And I would NEVER put on any metal chains on a car like this, too much
      chance of them tearing up the car if they loosen....which they will, better to just wait out any really bad conditions.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mtnpolestar View Post
      I would love to drive my P* to Tahoe but CHP may require everyone to chain up, even those with snow tires and AWD.
      AFAIK, snow socks are not an option in California as CHP will not accept them as chains.

      So has anyone installed actual chains their P*?
      Is there enough clearance with the 19" P* rims?
      Another thread had this option:

      Polestar recommends the Michelin easy grip chains (size W12), see your P's Manual
      http://ch.michelin-lifestyle.com/en/...hain-easy-grip

      If these are not metal, which they do not appear to be, then this might be the best option vs. metal chains. And I would NEVER put on any metal chains on a car like this, too much
      chance of them tearing up the car if they loosen....which they will, better to just wait out any really bad conditions.
      Quote: The Easy Grip high-performance tyre chain are made from a patented composite material mesh with small wire rings, ensuring safe driving in winter conditions.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mtnpolestar View Post
      I would love to drive my P* to Tahoe but CHP may require everyone to chain up, even those with snow tires and AWD.
      AFAIK, snow socks are not an option in California as CHP will not accept them as chains.

      So has anyone installed actual chains their P*?
      Is there enough clearance with the 19" P* rims?

      Another thread had this option:

      Polestar recommends the Michelin easy grip chains (size W12), see your P's Manual
      http://ch.michelin-lifestyle.com/en/...hain-easy-grip

      If these are not metal, which they do not appear to be, then this might be the best option vs. metal chains. And I would NEVER put on any metal chains on a car like this, too much
      chance of them tearing up the car if they loosen....which they will, better to just wait out any really bad conditions.
      If your concern is CHP, the Easy Grips are NOT CHP approved/compliant.
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      Tremendous Group Buy Offer on BBS CK 19's

      Nice winter/alternative wheel option guys: BBS 19x8 ET42 in anthracite flavor, which is about perfect for your rides. Can't beat anywhere for $295/rim including shipping ~$25/rim. Certainly much cheaper than factory winter 19's. I believe there are 5 or 6 sets left for this group buy offer, so get in while you can, by Jan. 21.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bmo Pete View Post
      Nice winter/alternative wheel option guys: BBS 19x8 ET42 in anthracite flavor, which is about perfect for your rides. Can't beat anywhere for $295/rim including shipping ~$25/rim. Certainly much cheaper than factory winter 19's. I believe there are 5 or 6 sets left for this group buy offer, so get in while you can, by Jan. 21.

      https://www.swedespeed.com/news/tuner...y-opportunity/

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...84410112341535
      These more than likely do not fit our cars because of the the front Brembos.
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      Quote Originally Posted by P50GT View Post
      These more than likely do not fit our cars because of the the front Brembos.
      Ah....damn! Good catch! Assumed since the SR's fit (but then they are 8.5" wide), and these fit over the KPAX calipers. I sent a note to KPAX to check for sure.
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      Nope, not enough spoke clearance per KPAX. Oh well.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bmo Pete View Post
      Nope, not enough spoke clearance per KPAX. Oh well.
      How much do you need? Would 5mm spacers get you there?

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      Quote Originally Posted by OscarII View Post
      How much do you need? Would 5mm spacers get you there?
      I would expect so. I have an R-Design, so no problem there; was just checking for the P* guys in case they were interested. I'm personally not a fan of adding spacers for something like this, when there are other options. If you add spacers, you may have to get longer bolts, may have balancing issues, then there's the issue of rubbing the outside fender lip with these wheels that are already +42 offset (out there).
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      Since the pain point on these cars is the rear outer fender liner adding spacers would only make the problem worse. I have ET 45 wheels on now and they rub occasionally - would probably be better with a ET 48 wheel or in the impossible to find ET 55 like the OEM ones.
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      According Volvo some P's are within the VIN range of vehicles where you can change to iTPMS. Dealer tried it with my V but after the change the fault indicator in the dash kept burning and wouldn't go away. Maybe the reason was that the fault indication was already present?
      Maybe it suggests that you need to have a fault free functioning and calibrated dTPMS system including the dTPMS wheels present before performing the update/change to iTPMS. We never tried. Reverted back to dTPMS and mounted the sensors in the wheels instead.
      No luck with iTPMS-software. My dealer got me 4 dTPMS valves free of charge instead. No more flashing orange light

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      Since the pain point on these cars is the rear outer fender liner adding spacers would only make the problem worse. I have ET 45 wheels on now and they rub occasionally - would probably be better with a ET 48 wheel or in the impossible to find ET 55 like the OEM ones.
      Curious, does this yield the same outer rim position? ET55+15mm spacer=ET45 +5mm spacer

      Its easy to add 3/16 clearance to the rear fender arch, and even more if you want to roll them.

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      I've read this thread a few times, and it doesn't sound like there are any one size fits all answers. It's only June, but I'm definitely giving winter wheels some serious thought.

      A few things I've learned from the thread.
      -19x8.5 ET45 seems to rub for most people with 235 or 245 tires
      -No rubbing reported with 225 tires, but load rating may be an issue
      -19x8 rims would probably work better, but they are hard to find (and the ones I can find are ET40 or worse) and clearance of the brakes is not guaranteed
      -OEM winter setup works well, but expensive (and to my eye, not my favorite appearance-wise)

      I've assembled a massive Amazon cart full of cheaper wheel options, but based on other's experiences I'm not sure any will work without rubbing.
      tires by Gregg Kamosa, on Flickr

      I also talked to HRE, and they are making 19x8.5 ET45 FF04 wheels available for the Focus RS (which may also fit the Polestar as winters). Nice looking, but expensive ($625/each), and even they (HRE) aren't sure if they'll clear the Brembos.

      Gave some thought to using the OEM wheels as winter wheels and getting new summers, but 20x8 or 20x8.5 wheels are tough to come by in offsets over 45 as well.

      A guy on the Facebook page made the Niche Targa wheels fit (in 20x8.5 ET40) by "shaving the allowable amount off the backing plate". Since I'm not even sure what that means, it's probably not the best option for me.

      If anyone has additional clarity after another winter season of driving, let me know. Nothing is looking appealing at this point.

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      I bought a second set of OEM 20" and the recommended Pirelli Sottozero winters. No problems with rubbing, no problems with potholes, not problems with winter traction. I'm very happy. My primary concern was the low sidewall, but that hasn't been a problem so far (I ran them for about 6 months).

      When I spoke to HRE (I have FF01 on my Golf R), they said that only their forged series would fit (they would size them over the brakes). If the FF04s from the RS do end up fitting, sit tight and wait for a sale - they're often at 20% off (that's how I bought mine).

      Good luck!!

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      Tirerack did have an ET48 wheel for a time which would have fit the bill as the 235/40 tires mounted on ET45 wheels rub slightly on the driver side rear of my car. Next time around I will get 225/45 which should work with ET45 wheels. Availability is low this time of year but I think tires in that size with the proper load rating should become available as we get later into the summer.
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      Thanks for the feedback.

      Ricardo- Those Volvo 19 inch wheels are cheaper than I thought. Has anyone confirmed they fit over the brakes? I guess I'd be surprised if they didn't, but I thought I read somewhere that they aren't for Polestars. I could be wrong though.

      Chris- Those HRE wheels are looking better all the time, although our brakes are bigger than the Focus RS brakes (371mm vs 350mm). We just need someone near Vista, CA to pay them a visit and try them on (I doubt Jeff/OscarII is looking to run 19s in SoCal :^), but at least he's local). Wasn't aware of the sales, so I'll consider that as long as I can confirm the fit. As looks go, those are definitely the best in my book.

      Wayne- TireRack's options for wheels aren't terribly inspiring (to me at least), right now). If they had something that was a closer fit, I would be more interested, so I'll keep my eyes open for a larger offset.

      I'm not buying wheels/tires until Sept/Oct anyway, but I figured I would dump my thoughts on this thread just in case there's a perfect wheel out there that I'm missing.

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