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      Michelins PSS are done!

      After 22,000 miles my Michelins Pilot SS are done. I thought this tires will last a little longer but the thread is gone. I decided not to spend that much money on tires and tire rack recommended BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp 2 ultra high performance. They say this tire may last 35,000 miles and they are a fraction of the price of Michelins. They also nicer looking. The guys at the tire place where I installed them they said that it is an excellent tire.
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      They are a pretty good tire for the average driver...That being said for someone coming from Michelin Pilot Super Sports that lasted 22k, I believe it is safe to say your not the average driver. With regards to the new tires they might last a little longer, but they also might not perform as well. Its a little harder to compare the two tires given they are in different performance categories, but let us know what you think. Good luck with the new shoes!
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      Go for it! I'm going to get some for my C30 before The Rains Start in June. Great reviews and the price is right and made in the U.S.A.
      My OEM Michelins are also long in the tooth...
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      Are you asking for advise, or?... I love PSS, I consider that they are absolutely worth the premium... but I have no personal experience with the other tire... Old g-force was not to my liking, but I have no idea how it compares.
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      22k? Hell, I haven't seen north of 15k ever on either my R or RD! I keep devouring the inner shoulders. Kuhmos, Contis, and lots of Michelins. Between the Texas heat, the heavy aggegate in our asphalt roads, the curvy FM roads, the weight of the S60's, the torque vectoring, and the soft rubber of Y-rated tires (even the stupid H-rated on OEMs on the RD) just ruin my budget.

      But performance wise, the PSS is an awesome tire. Soft. Grabby. Awesome.
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      Just for the sake of discussion, I think the tire load index rating is 95 (XL) for the S60. The Michelin PSS is a XL rated tire. The BFG g-Force Sport COMP-2 is a SL rated tire. Granted, the max load of the front axle is 1377 and the max load of the g-Force is 1356. That's not much difference but I'm surprised a retail tire store sold/installed those tires.

      As far as the tire goes, I think it's a very good tire. Definitely a better wet-performing tire than its counterparts. I think you might find it rides just a little harsher and may transmit a little more noise into the cabin than comparable tires.

      Last but not least, the Michelin is a Max Performance Summer tire while the BFG is a Ultra High Performance Summer tire. You should expect to get more mileage out of the BFG without sacrificing much in the way of performance and handling.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
      Just for the sake of discussion, I think the tire load index rating is 95 (XL) for the S60. The Michelin PSS is a XL rated tire. The BFG g-Force Sport COMP-2 is a SL rated tire. Granted, the max load of the front axle is 1377 and the max load of the g-Force is 1356. That's not much difference but I'm surprised a retail tire store sold/installed those tires.

      As far as the tire goes, I think it's a very good tire. Definitely a better wet-performing tire than its counterparts. I think you might find it rides just a little harsher and may transmit a little more noise into the cabin than comparable tires.

      Last but not least, the Michelin is a Max Performance Summer tire while the BFG is a Ultra High Performance Summer tire. You should expect to get more mileage out of the BFG without sacrificing much in the way of performance and handling.
      So since the max load is 1377 of the front axle is there a chance that the tire may give up?
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      Nokian Zline tires are supposed to be on par with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports and Pirelli Pzeros. 22K isn't too bad as far as the Michelin PSS tires are concerned. Ultra summer performance tires aren't going to last much longer, if they do, consider yourself lucky.
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      Quote Originally Posted by rlvdesign View Post
      So since the max load is 1377 of the front axle is there a chance that the tire may give up?
      Probably not. That figure takes into account you are carrying the maximum capacity weight of 1200 lbs, which is highly unlikely.

      But, that figure is published for the purpose of cautioning people to buy tires with a load index rating that meets or exceeds that figure.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JC30 View Post
      Nokian Zline tires are supposed to be on par with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports and Pirelli Pzeros. 22K isn't too bad as far as the Michelin PSS tires are concerned. Ultra summer performance tires aren't going to last much longer, if they do, consider yourself lucky.
      I would agree....I'd consider myself fortunate to get 20k miles out out of a max summer performance tire...you're paying for ultimate grip which means a softer compound..enjoy those attributes and you'll get faster tire wear...tires are always a tradeoff... $, Grip, Longevity...maximize any two..but likely not all 3 in one tire!
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      Quote Originally Posted by JC30 View Post
      Nokian Zline tires are supposed to be on par with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports and Pirelli Pzeros. 22K isn't too bad as far as the Michelin PSS tires are concerned. Ultra summer performance tires aren't going to last much longer, if they do, consider yourself lucky.
      I would agree....I'd consider myself fortunate to get 20k miles out out of a max summer performance tire...you're paying for ultimate grip which means a softer compound..enjoy those attributes and you'll get faster tire wear...tires are always a tradeoff... $, Grip, Longevity...maximize any two..but likely not all 3 in one tire!
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      I realize this is an older thread, but I'm considering the BF Goodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S as replacements on my T5 drive-E V60. Does the OP (or anyone else) have any input? Tire Rack really seems to love them!

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      I put them on my C30 last June and am VERY impressed with their grip and wet weather performance--perfect for our torrential downpours here...YMMV...
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      Good timing Miatascooter, this weekend, I put on the BFGoodrich g-Force COMP-2 A/S on my '12 S60. My Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season Plus tires were starting to get slick in the wet and losing their dry grip as well. They were down to 3/32". And they were getting louder.

      After driving 300 miles over the weekend on them, I can tell you that these tires are nearly just as quiet as the Pirelli's. The tread pattern is VERY aggressive, so I was expecting a big jump in noise. The sidewall definitely feels stiffer, so there's a slight increase in feeling road imperfections. However, that same stiffer sidewall really translates in a HUGE jump in cornering ability and feel. The car feels more planted through sweeping turns and abrupt maneuvers. I got my 235/45/17s for about $107/tire delivered, which is about $30/tire less than the Pirellis. So far, I'm pretty impressed. From what I hear, the wet traction and handling of this tire is phenomenal, something that I was expecting a little more out of the Pirelli. I won't have to worry about snow and ice traction, as I have the Nokians for that duty.

      As i mentioned, the tread pattern is very aggressive, especially in the shoulder. The tread is very dominant on the edges of the tire, which gives the rims a different look than the Pirellis. The BFG also has more rim edge protection than the Pirellis, so I'm hoping that will prevent the darling wife from giving another of my rims curb rash!
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      Interesting. How many miles did you put on the Pirelli Cinturato Plus's? When did you put them on your car? I think that version (Plus) was just released in mid-2014?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bmo Pete View Post
      Interesting. How many miles did you put on the Pirelli Cinturato Plus's? When did you put them on your car? I think that version (Plus) was just released in mid-2014?
      I put the Pirellis on, according to one of my posts, in early May 2014. So I must have purchased them soon after they were released. I put about 35K on the Pirellis, FAR short of their 70K mile warranty.
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      I looked into those BFGoodrich G-Force tires. They certainly seem like excellent tires. They also compare quite well by similarly classed offerings from Hankook, General, Dunlop, Cooper and Uniroyal, according to Consumer Reports as well as TireRack. In the end, I selected the Nexen N5000 due to a better warranty, across-the-board competence and ratings, and a phenominal price ($440 for tires, shipping, tax and installation). They likely won't carve quite a sharply as the BFGs, but it was a good compromise for my needs. Let us know about your final purchase and impressions.

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      I've had great success with Nitto Motivo tires on both my S80 and XC60. Not necessarily a tire for extreme performance, its a performance oriented all season tire that I've found to be a very balanced design that does many things well with few negatives. It's also a modestly priced tire that has a fairly long tread life. IF its available in your size, its worth your consideration, though it doesn't get a lot of attention in comparison to other more popular tires because it isn't visible on Tire Rack. More information on
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      Thanks for the input. I'm thinking about bringing my new-to-me V60 to Deals Gap the last week of July. Kinda your neck of the woods, sylva143! I'm a little worried about pushing the OEM Cinturanos. This whole front wheel drive automatic transmission thing is very new to me! I was lucky enough to find a V60 with the 19" sports package \(^o^)/. the tires have 26k. Hmm...

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      Quote Originally Posted by djstorm View Post
      I put the Pirellis on, according to one of my posts, in early May 2014. So I must have purchased them soon after they were released. I put about 35K on the Pirellis, FAR short of their 70K mile warranty.


      Ya know, 35K may not be close to the 70K wear warranty, but it is very good compared to the competition. I never managed over 25K miles out of the Falken ZE912 or Conti Extremecontact DWS I used on my Audi AWD's.

      Is your S60 AWD? This would chew-up the tire faster than FWD. Did you rotate the tires at least every 7-10K miles? Did you have an alignment every 10K miles? Perhaps you drive more aggressively than the average Joe? I personally drive relatively aggressively, yet when I replaced the OEM Pirelli P7 Cinturato's (non-Plus) on my V60 last fall at 30K miles, those tires still had 7-8/32 of tread left. I'm sure I could have gotten another 15-20K miles out of them, and that's with AWD, sports suspension and high torque.

      I'll be happy if I can get 35K miles out of the P7 Cinturato Plus's I have on the car now.
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      Generally speaking, my experience has been that you will rip through good summer sport tires (soft compounds) a bit faster than all seasons. The reduced braking distance and acceleration traction isn't limited the cost of the tires up front - you also pay in rubber, as the tires are getting shredded every time you take advantage of it.
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      I have no accurate numbers for PSS, but I have ballpark figures. My original P7 Cinturato were taken off around 7K-ish miles... I run summer and winter sets, so given that we just went through 30K service, let's split 24K miles on those two sets as 8K for winter set and 16K for PSS... I will probably not make through the summer... So call it 20K, though probably less than that. I tend to think that this is very much within limits, but, of course, this car is not kind to rubber.
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      My last Acura had the same size tires and it only lasted 15k miles. For all the tires I tried the Michelin MXM4 is the best for tire tread and comfort.

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      Interesting tread ! I'm looking at tires now so i will have add them to my list of potential tires


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      I'm about 47K on the Pirelli P7+, they still ride comfortable, grip well in the dry but the wet traction is ok and winter traction is reduced. Based on how they are now, I'll most likely be replacing them before the winter. Been reading up on Kumho Solus TA71, have some good dry traction, decent wet and priced quite well. These are not for the T5 RD though, this will be for the KIA Hybrid. I'll most likely get a set of the P7+ or something else when the P7s wear down, those BFGs look promising.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Miatascooter View Post
      Thanks for the input. I'm thinking about bringing my new-to-me V60 to Deals Gap the last week of July. Kinda your neck of the woods, sylva143! I'm a little worried about pushing the OEM Cinturanos. This whole front wheel drive automatic transmission thing is very new to me! I was lucky enough to find a V60 with the 19" sports package \(^o^)/. the tires have 26k. Hmm...
      You will be fine. As the first V60 to claim doing the Tail of the Dragon (don't forget Happy Valley) the Contis, surprisingly, stuck like glue (they were new). I did have Momma with me, but hit it pretty hard both ways. Only got passed by one crotch rocket and another guy trying to follow me had to take a knee. Decided to do Happy Valley on the way back to our cabin in TN and it was BRUTAL(ly fun ;-)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bmo Pete View Post
      Ya know, 35K may not be close to the 70K wear warranty, but it is very good compared to the competition. I never managed over 25K miles out of the Falken ZE912 or Conti Extremecontact DWS I used on my Audi AWD's.

      Is your S60 AWD? This would chew-up the tire faster than FWD. Did you rotate the tires at least every 7-10K miles? Did you have an alignment every 10K miles? Perhaps you drive more aggressively than the average Joe? I personally drive relatively aggressively, yet when I replaced the OEM Pirelli P7 Cinturato's (non-Plus) on my V60 last fall at 30K miles, those tires still had 7-8/32 of tread left. I'm sure I could have gotten another 15-20K miles out of them, and that's with AWD, sports suspension and high torque.

      I'll be happy if I can get 35K miles out of the P7 Cinturato Plus's I have on the car now.

      I have the first year S60 FWD - purchased in May 2011. I rotated them every 7K miles - there was completely even wear on all of the tires and across the contact patch. I am a fairly aggressive driver - you have to be in order to survive Chicago rush hour! :-)

      I'm going to probably test these in the wet tomorrow going storm chasing - there's a pretty good bet for a severe weather outbreak in northern IL tomorrow and I'm a certified SKYWARN storm spotter. Oh gee, I have to go out and look for tornadoes - oh darn...lol!
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      Maybe not-so-good review on this site:
      http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427286

      Hard to find a lot of real world reviews. Most online reviews come from a company sponsored thing at a track out west when the tire was revealed, where you don't know how the cars on other tires were really set up. Small variances in alignment and tire pressures can make a big difference.

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      Maybe not-so-good review on this site:
      I read just the opposite. GREAT for a DD running an AS tire vs a MAX summer only tire.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Miatascooter View Post
      Maybe not-so-good review on this site:
      http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427286

      Hard to find a lot of real world reviews. Most online reviews come from a company sponsored thing at a track out west when the tire was revealed, where you don't know how the cars on other tires were really set up. Small variances in alignment and tire pressures can make a big difference.

      I read the whole thread, and it seems like a lot of the Camaro owners like the BFG tire. Granted, some of them are comparing a pure summer tire (they must come standard with Michelin Pilot Super Sports), so this A/S tire would obviously act differently during the summer. Personally, I like hearing that they like the tire and that it performs nearly as good as their UHP summer tires!
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      Quote Originally Posted by djstorm View Post
      I read the whole thread, and it seems like a lot of the Camaro owners like the BFG tire. Granted, some of them are comparing a pure summer tire (they must come standard with Michelin Pilot Super Sports)...
      Yeah, reading the whole thread helps quite a bit. It still sounds like a very good AS tire

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