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      Wow cab. Thanks for the detailed update. Sounds like when I make the switch - I will hire a shop to do it. I don't have the tool depth that you have.

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      Thanks for the details, cab.

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      Thanks for the great write up guys. May do this mod to my non r t6 polestar. Way too much roll at speed right now...


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      I bought Penguin's factory rdesign suspension from him. Took to the shop and they ended up putting on the front springs upside down! So, back to Volvo for a fix.

      Rented a spring compressor for the weekend to tackle the rears. I saw it mentioned those were pretty quick. Any tips?

      Am hoping you guys are right that the rdesign rears are the bigger delta than the fronts...with rdesign fronts, touring rears and iPD sway (on factory 18" wheels), it's definitely tighter and more fun than stock, but I wouldn't say it's where it should be yet. Still doesn't "glue" to the road at speed like ze Germans do. We're getting there though!

      Next after this will probably be wheels and tires...Penguin, want to sell your Ixions too? Haha.

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      This was a Volvo dealer who swapped in the R-Design suspension? Unbelievable!

      Nope! The Ixion wheels have snow tires on them and will still be on through this month.

      I know there is a lot of discussion whether to run 19" or 20" for the sake of ride comfort. We (wife included) really like the ride with 20" wheels. Although many have complained about the OEM Pirelli Scorpions we have no complaints about their performance or handling characteristics. Coming up on 19k and still liking the suspension changes. Great ride!!!
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      No, took it to a local indy who reversed the springs, then Volvo of Bellevue took care of the fix. The guys there are AMAZING, 5***** for that dealership!

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      Has anyone used the FSD Koni on the factory R-Design springs?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Synesis View Post
      Has anyone used the FSD Koni on the factory R-Design springs?
      What are you asking?

      I was on Heico springs and stock struts about 8 months before changing over to Koni FSD. If you look at post #21 in this thread you will see my comments about the difference I experienced with the Koni FSD. I think you would have similar experience on the OEM springs.

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      I read the threads on the FSD shocks, but it seemed everyone was using lowered springs, or softer springs from the base model. I was wondering if anyone with an XC60 R-Design had only changed the shocks to the FSD but kept the factory RD springs. I'm trying to determine how of the change in ride/handling characteristics is due to the shocks, and how much is due to the other springs used. Its a pretty expensive gamble, so I'm trying to gather al the info I can. thanks
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      Just a quick update. Back in late May I FINALLY went ahead and swapped the rear "touring" shocks on my wife's 2012 XC60 RD out for the Koni FSDs. They had been sitting in the box since last Summer (note: I had already done the fronts). As I expected, from a firmness perspective, they are in-between the original RD rear shocks and the factory base touring suspension. They were probably a little firmer than I would like initially, but after 3 months I'd say they have settled in a bit and seam to ride reasonably well (still much better than the original RD rear shocks). This will be the final change in suspension for us unless these guys stiffen up like crazy in the cold in which case I'll just toss the touring shocks back on. So, our journey was:

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      Original - RD struts and springs (had these for 3.5 years)
      Now - Koni FSD struts and RD springs (have had these for about a year now)

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      Orignal - RD shocks and springs (had these 90 days)
      Interim - Base Touring springs and shocks (had these 4.25 years...pretty happy overall)
      Current - Base Touring Springs and Koni FSD shocks (had these for 90 days)

      I'm sure the Koni's would have worked just as well with our RD springs in the rear, but I wasn't pursuing any increased harshness.
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      How are the FSDs in spirited driving? When I changed the OEM S-Line shocks on our old Audi Mk1 TT to FSDs the ride improved markedly in normal driving but were firmer than OEM when pushing things a bit.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Azlkk View Post
      How are the FSDs in spirited driving? When I changed the OEM S-Line shocks on our old Audi Mk1 TT to FSDs the ride improved markedly in normal driving but were firmer than OEM when pushing things a bit.
      I think they are a better compromise than the factory R-design setup. Nothing can change the physics of course. This is still a tall vehicle and you can get into trouble with it as the power really does outperform the chassis. Hooining through the um, neighborhood, and on on ramps is still fun and you don't have as much abuse as the RD setup. The front struts made less difference, but overall I'm enjoying the ride. Indeed, in some ways it is better then my P85+ (doesn't transfer as many smaller bumps to the chassis), but in other ways it is worse of course (Volvo bushing compliance seems to be poop). For flat handling the P85+ kills it of course since all of its weight is so low.

      In the future I would be hard pressed to choose anything other than factory dampers or Konis for my rides. I now have two positive Koni experiences on two different vehicles and the same using various factory options.
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      I had a loaner Porsche Cayenne and realized how bad (harsh and poor body control) my wife's XC60 was in comparison, so I had Koni FSDs, new spring seats and strut bearings installed on her 2010 XC60 T6 with 90k miles. I re-used the stock springs, so the only non-OEM part are the Koni's.

      Impressions:
      1. For whatever reason, they seem to need a little break-in. They were a bit rough the first two days at times, but really settled down after that.
      2. The faster you go, the smoother they get.
      3. They are sporty handling, but bumps and body control are well damped and the car feels very planted.
      4. They are softer on bumps than the stock struts, yet resist roll much better, just as advertised.

      Overall, it still didn't get it to Porsche Cayenne levels, but if the Cayenne is a 10 and before the Volvo was a 3 (they were a bit worn out though), the Koni's make it an 8 IMO. Overall, very recommended.

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      Andy, did you install these struts onto a non-RD XC60? I was wondering if they were long enough for the extra suspension travel due to the larger ground clearance over the RD version (i believe around 1"). I always thought about putting them onto my standard XC but was not sure they had enough stroke when the suspension was in a full rebound state and at the top of it's stroke.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Stewie5148 View Post
      Andy, did you install these struts onto a non-RD XC60? I was wondering if they were long enough for the extra suspension travel due to the larger ground clearance over the RD version (i believe around 1"). I always thought about putting them onto my standard XC but was not sure they had enough stroke when the suspension was in a full rebound state and at the top of it's stroke.
      Yes, this is a non-RD and they work great. I just looked at TireRack for RD and non-RD T6, and they are the same part number.

      A few more notes about handling:
      1. The car always had a two step set in corners, so I assume the factory dampers were built to be soft for the first bit of travel and then stiffen up after that (which also explains the crashing on bigger bumps). That is now gone with the Koni FSD. Handling is very linear and predictable.
      2. A little more detail on my damping scale (comfort and handling):

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      6 months later follow up: I've had a lot of clunking in the front end and it turns out that it is the Koni's. There is a threaded collar at the top of the strut body that was working itself loose and once tightened (with channel locks through the spring), the clunks are gone and I'm happy with them again, but really, that shouldn't have happened IMO.

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      Wow, thanks for the heads-up on that Andy. I'll be sure to look out for that.
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      Sounds similar to my FSD experience: for the price, not as drastic of an improvement as expected/desired. I thought the FSD would be a good match with the RD springs, but your experience seems to reinforce many other more expert opinions than mine, that the RD suspension components are crap. Still, I'm a bit surprised the front didn't improve more, as I feel the OEM RD strut's are the weakest link, but maybe it's a spring and strut combo after all.

      Thanks for the detailed postings!
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      Based on Andy's experience I just ordered fsds and a fresh set of touring springs for my 09 T6.
      I also have some control arm problems and rear bushings and right drive shaft issues. Wish me luck.
      I also ordered new rear ipd sway bar arms. The stock bushings felt a bit dry.
      In my country we haven't received any T6 awd since 2015 so I need my 09 to keep up a little while longer. Was going
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      18 months later followup on the Koni FSD on a non-RD Volvo XC60. I love them. The one-time collar tightening seems to be holding well. The ride quality is still towards the sporty end, but perfectly reasonable IMO and the damping (body control) is exceptionally well judged by Koni.

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      Planning on also upgrading to the Koni's and there is definitely a lot of different spring/shock combinations in this thread. I have a 2014 non-RD so I assume I have the touring springs. I would like to have a more responsive feel and when driving. The IPD sway bar has helped a lot but I'm looking for more. Since I'm planning on installing the Koni's, I'm wondering if I should add the Eibach springs as well. I don't want to make the ride too harsh since Winter on New Hampshire roads can be pretty rough. Does anyone think that the Koni/Eibach combo would have a better ride comfort than the stock RD? I could just do the Koni's now and think about putting on the springs next year, but it would save a lot of labor to do it all at once.

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      i just installed this combo on my RD. It's definitely what you want. The ride is smoother on rough surfaces, and firms up at speed. I have the IPD sway bar installed as well. The car handles so well with all 3, springs, struts, and sway bar. Do it!

      Quote Originally Posted by jackson2275 View Post
      Planning on also upgrading to the Koni's and there is definitely a lot of different spring/shock combinations in this thread. I have a 2014 non-RD so I assume I have the touring springs. I would like to have a more responsive feel and when driving. The IPD sway bar has helped a lot but I'm looking for more. Since I'm planning on installing the Koni's, I'm wondering if I should add the Eibach springs as well. I don't want to make the ride too harsh since Winter on New Hampshire roads can be pretty rough. Does anyone think that the Koni/Eibach combo would have a better ride comfort than the stock RD? I could just do the Koni's now and think about putting on the springs next year, but it would save a lot of labor to do it all at once.
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      Quote Originally Posted by odiespankers07 View Post
      i just installed this combo on my RD. It's definitely what you want. The ride is smoother on rough surfaces, and firms up at speed. I have the IPD sway bar installed as well. The car handles so well with all 3, springs, struts, and sway bar. Do it!
      You literally just took every word from my next post. I just did this combo also and have the IPD anti sway bar with HD endlinks and it was worth every dollar.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Spyder999 View Post
      You literally just took every word from my next post. I just did this combo also and have the IPD anti sway bar with HD endlinks and it was worth every dollar.
      Glad to hear about all the success with this combo. After having the Koni’s on order for four days, they came back and said they are out of stock until 6/15. Looks like I’ll have to wait a while to find out. The spring haven’t shipped either so hopefully I won’t have a problem with those too.


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      Haha lets see your XC! This is the ride quality i have been wanting with the t6 performance.
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      You literally just took every word from my next post. I just did this combo also and have the IPD anti sway bar with HD endlinks and it was worth every dollar.
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      Which Eibach set of springs did you all use?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Princeton View Post
      Which Eibach set of springs did you all use?
      I ordered mine off Ebay. They are custom ordered from Germany I guess. I believe the ebay account name is tunershop
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      I ordered from the exact same shop for the Eibach's. They were in Canada in 3 days!
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      I ordered my springs from tunershop also on Monday. Still not sure if they shipped yet but hope to have them this week. I found an eBay seller that had the Koni’s in stock and I should have them by Friday. Looks like everything is coming together!


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      I've got the fsd and eibach convo installed. My mounts seem to be creaking on the front right. They are new. Anyone have this issue? Also have any of you experienced a shaky steering wheel when braking? My wheels were just balanced, and the alignment was done 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if camber would end up making the steering wheel shake.
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      I didnt get that at all when mine were installed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Spyder999 View Post
      I didnt get that at all when mine were installed.
      It's strange, it didn't do this initially. I am going to jack it up tomorrow and spray some lube into the top of the spring and mount. Hopefully that's the issue. Everything else was checked. If that doesn't work, I might start with the sway bar end link.
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      Quote Originally Posted by odiespankers07 View Post
      I've got the fsd and eibach convo installed. My mounts seem to be creaking on the front right. They are new. Anyone have this issue? Also have any of you experienced a shaky steering wheel when braking? My wheels were just balanced, and the alignment was done 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if camber would end up making the steering wheel shake.
      I would suspect the shake from the steering wheel is the front rotors. Check to see if you have a lot of corrosion along the edges. Mine tend to get crispy like this after a couple of New England Winters even though my pads tend to look fine.

      When mine start to go, I don't usually feel a difference at slow braking under 35 mph. Harder braking above that is when I can feel it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by jackson2275 View Post
      I would suspect the steering wheel shake from the steering wheel is the front rotors. Check to see if you have a lot of corrosion along the edges. Mine tend to get crispy like this after a couple of New England Winters even though my pads tend to look fine.

      When mine start to go, I don't usually feel a difference at slow braking under 35 mph. Harder braking above that is when I can feel it.
      Thanks Jackson2275. This is exactly what I am encountering. I'll take a look at them today.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Garduman View Post
      Hi Russ,
      Would this process work with a 2012 Volvo S60 T6 R-Design.
      When reading about the problems people were having I thought this would be a good way to go, then I found your post.
      I have not actually physically checked on my car, that is jacking up , taking wheel off and seeing if I can get spring compressors to fit in the space available.
      How did you jack up the strut.
      I cannot get Koni's in Aus, only Sachs front and either KYB or Monroe for the rear.
      Have you any thoughts on selection, I would normally use KYB.
      I am looking to soften the ride a little at normal speeds, but obviously stiffen up as the speed increases.
      I have only recently purchased the car with 60,000Kms.
      It is a Limited Edition version, silver in colour, with Polestar engine tune, Heico 19" wheels, 245 35 tyres, Bridgestone RE 003's, and Heico quad exhaust.
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      It may have had a further Heico engine upgrade but the Melbourne distributor will not actually tell me, even though they requested the VIN number when I inquired, a bit unusual. The car was previously based in Melbourne.
      I have just fitted a Hardrace 25.4 mm hollow rear sway bar, which made the car much more neutral, less understeer, and am looking at their camber and toe in kits.
      https://www.hardracesuspension.com.a...0&car_type=711
      One more question, I am looking at drilled and slotted brake rotors. My car has the 315 mm front discs. I am looking at upgrading to the 336 mm front disc and wondered if I just need to change the caliper bracket to accommodate these larger discs.
      Thanks for any help and advice.

      Regards
      Russ, 99% sure you don't have a heico tune.
      Its only available here in the form of e.motion and I'm pretty sure your car doesn't have one. However, if you're in Melbourne I can check for you.

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