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      Need Buying help ASAP - 2013 T6 Prem Plus or 2014 T6 prem plus?

      So guys,
      Looking to buy a used XC70 T6. One is 2013 T6 premium plus and the other is a 2014 T6 premium plus. Other than dash display (analog vs digital) are there any other major changes on the 2014 vs 2013? Miles are actually 5k less on the 2013. Options are pretty much the same, but is there any reason other dash to value a 2014 vs 2013? EPA mileage is 23 hwy on 2013 vs 24hwy for 2014. Not sure why and not sure I care. I am about 3k less on 2013. Both are 300+ miles away and being sold as lease returns at dealers.

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      The interior aesthetics are the only difference between those years. I had a loaner with the new dash recently, and while nice, it wouldn't sway my decision if I was in your shoes. I'd go with the 2013. Less miles, lower price...no brainer. There is no difference in the engines or drivetrains of those cars, so not sure why the MPG rating is different. And like you, I wouldn't care if it was.

      Are they the same color combos? Is that a factor at all?
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      These are XC70's We are in the XC70 forum. As for cars unless I find out otherwise I am looking at the 2013 car. At least 3k cheaper. Color combos are satisfactory on both. The only other wrinkle is a couple new cars about 80 miles from the used one. Both are 2015.5. One new with 29 miles and the other is a "Demo" with 100 miles. The demo car is just under 3k cheaper, but is classed as "used" so a lose a few months of new warranty and is missing a few options.

      So looking at 3 options

      2013 - Brown/Tan Prem Plus - 24k miles - All I want but with out navigation
      2015.5 - Pearl White/Tan - Navi, Proximity, 100 miles Demo car "used" + 9k over 2013- has navigation, but missing a few "nice to have"
      2015.5 - Pearl white/tan - Navi, Proximity, Convenience, BLIS, Heat frt seats = 29 miles "New" +12k over the 2013. - Ideal option package

      So right now I leaning toward the 2013 due to price savings 9k or 12k goes a long way. BTW I got my current car (BMW 530) 3 years old with 36k on it and have 222k miles on it now. I drive about 20k a year and am looking for 200k out of this XC70.

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      Need Buying help ASAP - 2013 T6 Prem Plus or 2014 T6 prem plus?

      Oh I thought maybe V70.. Sorry


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      I forget that people out side the USA still get V70s still and even diesel motors.

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      Need Buying help ASAP - 2013 T6 Prem Plus or 2014 T6 prem plus?

      You should try one... Anyway, back to the subject: I would say the 2013 for sure!

      It does say V70/XC70 in the thread header or did I miss something? V70 is a nice car too.



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      If we had diesel offerings I would look at one given the miles I drive. However we don't so I prefer the smoothness of the T6 3.0l Straight 6. I did drive a 2.0 Turbo drive E in a V60 and did not like it. I don't think it fitting of a 40k car to be honest. Anyway those don't come in AWD which I am looking for and 2016 2.5L 5cyl is probably better, but down 50 hp to the T6 and is actually more money than T6 these days being a 2016 model.

      Anyway thanks for the input.

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      I bought a new 2015.5 XC70 T6 AWD in WA. in July this year. Had the dealership install the Polestar tune in Sept. after 2k miles on it. Drove it to winter home in AZ. some 1500 mile trip from WA. through OR, ID, UT. then to AZ. Average MPG for that trip was 26.7 driving at about 5-9 miles over speed limit where in ID. and UT. freeway speed limits are 80 MPH. Just made another Xmas trip from AZ. to N. CA., some 1400 miles round trip, average MPG for the round trip was 26.5. On my choice of fuel, I use 89 octane mostly from name brand stations. Excellent road car for comfort and handling and very near comparable to an 05 Mercedes E320 CDI that I sold to a friend last January. This is the 1st Volvo I've owned and plan on keeping it for a long time. The Polestar tune I paid $1200. to me was really worth it.

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      Good to know Bullhead. I am hoping to get solid hwy MPG on this car in real world conditions. I fear the newer cars are EPA test queens with their mileage numbers. That is why I prefer the T6 motor. I plan to make do number of road trips as well as hwy daily driving. On the weekend plan to load it up and take it camping and down so mild dirt roads to hiking and or biking spots. Even sleep in the back when I need to. Only thing these cars are missing is a trailer hitch for my bike rack. Have not see a car with one so I am not holding out hope for that.

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      I have a hitch on mine (it came on it). Install it aftermarket.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
      If we had diesel offerings I would look at one given the miles I drive. However we don't so I prefer the smoothness of the T6 3.0l Straight 6. I did drive a 2.0 Turbo drive E in a V60 and did not like it. I don't think it fitting of a 40k car to be honest. Anyway those don't come in AWD which I am looking for and 2016 2.5L 5cyl is probably better, but down 50 hp to the T6 and is actually more money than T6 these days being a 2016 model.

      Anyway thanks for the input.
      Yes the mileage is great on the D5... Im averaging 36/mpg! (6.6L/100)


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      Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
      These are XC70's We are in the XC70 forum. As for cars unless I find out otherwise I am looking at the 2013 car. At least 3k cheaper. Color combos are satisfactory on both. The only other wrinkle is a couple new cars about 80 miles from the used one. Both are 2015.5. One new with 29 miles and the other is a "Demo" with 100 miles. The demo car is just under 3k cheaper, but is classed as "used" so a lose a few months of new warranty and is missing a few options.

      So looking at 3 options

      2013 - Brown/Tan Prem Plus - 24k miles - All I want but with out navigation
      2015.5 - Pearl White/Tan - Navi, Proximity, 100 miles Demo car "used" + 9k over 2013- has navigation, but missing a few "nice to have"
      2015.5 - Pearl white/tan - Navi, Proximity, Convenience, BLIS, Heat frt seats = 29 miles "New" +12k over the 2013. - Ideal option package

      So right now I leaning toward the 2013 due to price savings 9k or 12k goes a long way. BTW I got my current car (BMW 530) 3 years old with 36k on it and have 222k miles on it now. I drive about 20k a year and am looking for 200k out of this XC70.
      Definitely go for a 2014 or newer, the digital display is amazing, particularly once you get it in the RED performance mode!
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      I have to say, I think the digital display was gimmicky. In my loaner, I quickly got bored of the 3 themes you could choose from and just left it on Performance (red). IMHO, that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a purchase when 3K and lower mileage car is involved. But to each his own...
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      Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
      These are XC70's We are in the XC70 forum. As for cars unless I find out otherwise I am looking at the 2013 car. At least 3k cheaper. Color combos are satisfactory on both. The only other wrinkle is a couple new cars about 80 miles from the used one. Both are 2015.5. One new with 29 miles and the other is a "Demo" with 100 miles. The demo car is just under 3k cheaper, but is classed as "used" so a lose a few months of new warranty and is missing a few options.

      So looking at 3 options

      2013 - Brown/Tan Prem Plus - 24k miles - All I want but with out navigation
      2015.5 - Pearl White/Tan - Navi, Proximity, 100 miles Demo car "used" + 9k over 2013- has navigation, but missing a few "nice to have"
      2015.5 - Pearl white/tan - Navi, Proximity, Convenience, BLIS, Heat frt seats = 29 miles "New" +12k over the 2013. - Ideal option package

      So right now I leaning toward the 2013 due to price savings 9k or 12k goes a long way. BTW I got my current car (BMW 530) 3 years old with 36k on it and have 222k miles on it now. I drive about 20k a year and am looking for 200k out of this XC70.
      Is the 2013 CPO (sorry if I missed it)? If so, I'm saving 9-12 k and getting basically the same vehicle minus display and a sub-par navigation system. If CPO, you've got 75 k miles or a good 4 years (depending on in-service date) of warranty. I'm personally not a huge fan of the white/black Stormtrooper combo and really like the classy look of the brown but just MHO.

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      Might be slightly off topic.

      We got the 2013, as it was sitting on the lot vs ordering (would have considered OSD, but we were dire for a car). So we saved a bit on it not much. The only things I like more in the newer models is their winter package, a heated steering wheel and heated front wind-shield would be bliss. We make do without, but when the temperature is negative, I tend to wear gloves for the first half hour!

      Other than that, we don't get those high mpg's as reported by Bullhead. We're in Colorado, so average altitude is > 5,000 ft. It's Polestar tuned, only premium gas (lately only Shell V-Power NiTRO+). With winter tires ~18 to 21 mpg, with summer tires ~19 to 24.

      Other than that love the car!

      I'd have to ask have you used the Navi? I find it a pain to use. For $12k, I'd go for the 2013.

      Good luck, and post some pictures when you pick up your final decision!

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      Well I drove the 2013 yesterday and it felt off. I did not like the steering feel on this car at all. Nothing like the 2015.5 I drove back in June. So just to be sure I drove 2016 2.5L 5 Cyl T5 and steered perfect like the 2015.5 T6 I drove. Then I drove the 2013 again and passed on it. Not sure if it was that particular car (dealer emphatically say it was "normal") or all those older model year cars. In any event I knew I could not live with that for 10 year so I passed. I drove up the road about 2 hrs and looked a new 2015.5 T6. This car was pearl white/soft beige and a pretty good suite of options including the optical BLIS. I drove that right away and with close attention to the steering I found it to my satisfaction. Interestingly I also found the entire interior package more "up to date" than the 2013 car. Gages are clearly different, but also the interior slightly different shades and the wood is darker. Strangely more Scandinavian chic that the 2013. Anyway Despite the cost I snatched that up as it was the best deal for a 2015.5 with that options. Plus the car has 7yr 100k warranty since it was sold "Used CPO". Given the lack of supply finding another low miles 2013, 2014, or even 2015 is not easy even just to test the steering. The 2015.5 are drying up and if I wait much longer they will all by gone. My prior ride was 2002 BMW 530 with 223k on it. Great car, but getting to the point where I will need alot more work. Plus age combined with the heat and dryness means all kind of plastic parts are brittle. Time to let it go.

      So I drove the 2015.5 back 450 miles over 2 days(got too late and night and I was too tired to drive it one day). Found the car to be joy. Space of an SUV, but diving feel of a sedan. Not as dynamic and nible as my e39 5 series, but lets fact it few cars are. Still learning about all the tech features, but I believe it was right for me.

      About optical BLIS. Good, but not quite "bliss" either. Yep sun angles can cause false positives. I would have guess it would be direct sunlight, but given my direction of travel I could not test that. Seems like shadows caused the issue where the car's own shadow made it appear like car was in my blind spot and kicked it off. Still better than nothing as BLIS goes off like crazy in heavy traffic, but is rather unobtrusive. No sounds or annoying flashing just a little light in mirror saying "Take a closer look". I think the best value is those time when a car sneaks just in that small spot outside the range of mirrors and you just happen to look see nothing and want to move. The light will cause a slight pause just to check more closely.

      So far so good. I will post some pictures in the next couple days. My first Volvo, but not the first in the family My mother and aunt had Volvo's in early and mid 70's and my father used to be Volvo tech in that time as well. My Aunt believes her Volvo saved her life in a crash and in fact I came to be because of a Volvo. No I was not conceived in the back seat or load area, but it was my m=Mother who had issue with her Volvo and my Father was technician on her car. That is how they met.
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      Congratulations! I've had my 2015.5 for 6-weeks and I couldn't be happier.

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      Good choice... Give it some Polestar just for fun!


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      Congrats! I'd be willing to bet the tires on the 2013 had gone bad as at least part of the reason for the steering feeling wonky. The Pirelli's that come on these cars stock are pure garbage. The 2013 I bought suffered failure of all 4 tires due to the bands separating inside of them.

      Either way...great purchase. You'll love this car.
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      Great to hear you got a good car! I am sure you're positive feelings will continue! With the 7yr, 100k warranty your laughing!

      I agree with the optical blis, it does throw a lot of false positives, but I take it as a secondary, always check your mirrors, then if blis is complaining, check even further!

      All the best for the rest of the drive home.

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      Quote Originally Posted by T5 for Life View Post
      Congrats! I'd be willing to bet the tires on the 2013 had gone bad as at least part of the reason for the steering feeling wonky. The Pirelli's that come on these cars stock are pure garbage. The 2013 I bought suffered failure of all 4 tires due to the bands separating inside of them.

      Either way...great purchase. You'll love this car.
      Maybe, I looked at the tire closely and they were original tires. Plenty of tread and not unusual wear, but did have some dry cracking. Still what I was feeling was not tire related. Very hard to describe, but I used to race Porsches and lots of seat time at the limit of adhesion so I am be sensitive to the steering feedback. Still the 2015.5 was the right choice. The color is really growing on me. Know some don't like the white, but to me it just seems right. Cool sleek and I like the contrast to black areas. Plus my first new car in 15 years.

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      Quote Originally Posted by T5 for Life View Post
      I have to say, I think the digital display was gimmicky. In my loaner, I quickly got bored of the 3 themes you could choose from and just left it on Performance (red). IMHO, that shouldn't be the deciding factor in a purchase when 3K and lower mileage car is involved. But to each his own...
      I would agree that the "other two" are lame, but the performance mode (red) is IMHO way better than the analog gauges. If Xemodex ever gets the upgrade working reliably on the older P3 models, I am definitely upgrading, even at close to $1K each if needed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tbrown View Post
      Great to hear you got a good car! I am sure you're positive feelings will continue! With the 7yr, 100k warranty your laughing!

      I agree with the optical blis, it does throw a lot of false positives, but I take it as a secondary, always check your mirrors, then if blis is complaining, check even further!
      If you adjust your mirrors *properly* you will have no blind spots at all:
      http://www.caranddriver.com/features...id-blind-spots

      Yes it does take some getting used to (it felt weird for me for a few weeks) but once you're used to it you will wonder why you didn't switch sooner...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Warpedcow View Post
      I would agree that the "other two" are lame, but the performance mode (red) is IMHO way better than the analog gauges. If Xemodex ever gets the upgrade working reliably on the older P3 models, I am definitely upgrading, even at close to $1K each if needed.
      Well this what is good about 3 modes. I like the "elegance" mode. Performance mode is cool, but this to me is not a "performance" car. The good part is that with these different modes we can choose what we like.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Warpedcow View Post
      If you adjust your mirrors *properly* you will have no blind spots at all:
      http://www.caranddriver.com/features...id-blind-spots

      Yes it does take some getting used to (it felt weird for me for a few weeks) but once you're used to it you will wonder why you didn't switch sooner...
      Yes properly adjusted mirrors almost completely remove a blind spot. I have been doing that for years, but there is still small are that is really hard to cover. I have fond that some drivers will find a way to sit in that very narrow sliver that mirror can't see rather than flowing through they way you should. All it takes is one idiot to ruin your day so I find the BLIS an extra bit of help. Still can't fix stupid with it of course.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
      Yes properly adjusted mirrors almost completely remove a blind spot. I have been doing that for years, but there is still small are that is really hard to cover.
      I have found Volvo mirrors have enough viewing angle and adjustment that any seating position should have zero blind spots. Where I sit, there is actually a bit of overlap going from one mirror to the next.
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