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      RE: Newer 2016 R-Design XC-60s are now equipped with 4 cylinder T6 Drive-E engines!

      So, am I doing something wrong, or is there still not an AWD Drive-E XC60 listed on the US Volvo site, yet we had another whole thread where our resident apologist continues to say the T4 compares well, except it isn't saddled with the performance/economy hit of AWD? Stop feeding the troll.

      Just sayin'.
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      The Volvo website hasn't been updated with the 2016 XC60 T6e AWD models yet. But dealers have them already to buy:

      http://www.redbankvolvo.com/new-inve...cetInteracted=

      http://www.redbankvolvo.com/new/Volv...f81ffbb5d4.htm


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      Quote Originally Posted by dbphillips View Post
      So, am I doing something wrong, or is there still not an AWD Drive-E XC60 listed on the US Volvo site, yet we had another whole thread where our resident apologist continues to say the T4 compares well, except it isn't saddled with the performance/economy hit of AWD? Stop feeding the troll.

      Just sayin'.
      The XC60 can now be acquired w/ the T6 Drive-E and AWD. They started to arrive in late December.
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      No polestar yet though :-/
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      I hope the Polestar tune doesn't dork up the throttle mapping make it overly sensitive per my comments below in my review of the new XC90 loaner we had this week (excerpted below)...

      T6 Drive-E Drivetrain - So this was recently the subject of a thread here on the XC60 subforum that went awry (ah, the interwebs) and it was an area I was very interested in. Day one I wasn't that impressed with this drive train, but by day two I came to appreciate it and by the third day, it is fair to say I actually liked it! There are a few keys here. First, the throttle and shift mapping in comfort and dynamic modes seem very reasonable. In many cars, "comfort" modes are overly neutered (i.e. lazy throttle maps and "get into 8th gear RIGHT NOW" shift timing) and sport/dynamic modes are overly aggressive with touchy throttle pedals and "hang in gear forever". The comfort and dynamic modes here seem to do a really decent job in their respective positions and I found myself using both of them regularly. Dynamic mode makes the car drive very "light" - kind of amazing given its size. I actually think a Polestar tune could negatively impact the throttle map and make it too jumpy if they aren't careful. The shifting performance is LIGHT YEARS better than our XC60's 6 speed. Perhaps more interestingly, the shifting in the XC90 of the 8 speed T6 seems better than I experienced in the XC60 T5 Drive-E loaners we have had. It may simply be that the increased torque of the T6 drive-e makes all the difference here (despite being in a heavier vehicle). I also noticed it seemed to shift a tad better as the days went on (no doubt adapting slightly to our driving style). I would really like to experience the T6 Drive-E in the lighter XC60 now. Now does it have the outright pull of our XC60 T6 3.0 liter turbo? No, it doesn't, but it is more than adequate and I just didn't really miss it that much (well, maybe a little bit) in terms of power. I WAS disappointed in the sound quality. It just sounds a bit more thrashy and, well, like the 4 banger it is when under harder acceleration.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GrecianVolvo View Post
      The XC60 can now be acquired w/ the T6 Drive-E and AWD. They started to arrive in late December.
      Awesome. What's the 0-60? Not interested in wasting my time at the dealer if corporate can't even get off their dead asses and update a stupid web page.
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      Quote Originally Posted by PureDrive07 View Post
      The Volvo website hasn't been updated with the 2016 XC60 T6e AWD models yet. But dealers have them already to buy:
      Ooh, I like that. T5e and T6e I can live with. "e" for exception.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dbphillips View Post
      Awesome. What's the 0-60? Not interested in wasting my time at the dealer if corporate can't even get off their dead asses and update a stupid web page.
      Well, even though your comment's tone is a bit inappropriate, here is the 0-60 for the T6 Drive-E w/ AWD: 6.6 secs
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      Wow, our dealer, which is pretty dang big, has 60 XC60s. About 10 are T6, about 4 Drive-E (non-AWD). The rest are, you guessed it, real T5s.

      Funny 'bout that...
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      Quote Originally Posted by GrecianVolvo View Post
      Well, even though your comment's tone is a bit inappropriate, here is the 0-60 for the T6 Drive-E w/ AWD: 6.6 secs
      Thanks. The 3.2L lost over a second with AWD, so I am quite confident that spec is as wrong as the XC90 one was. Err, actually, to be technical, less wrong, since Edmunds got 6.1s from Volvo and tested out at 7.4. But I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up half a second off.

      I assume you meant the language is a bit inappropriate, because I started the thread with the tone. It's called derision, and it has been earned.
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      Quote Originally Posted by PureDrive07 View Post
      The Volvo website hasn't been updated with the 2016 XC60 T6e AWD models yet. But dealers have them already to buy:

      http://www.redbankvolvo.com/new-inve...cetInteracted=

      http://www.redbankvolvo.com/new/Volv...f81ffbb5d4.htm


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      When compared to the other listings, those T6e AWD listings look pretty sketchy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dbphillips View Post
      When compared to the other listings, those T6e AWD listings look pretty sketchy.
      How are these listings "sketchy"? They clearly state what they are and I've been by the dealer and they are correct.
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      Quote Originally Posted by PureDrive07 View Post
      How are these listings "sketchy"? They clearly state what they are and I've been by the dealer and they are correct.
      Well, they lack pictures and don't follow the formatting standard of the other listings. They feel like come-ons, especially since our local dealer hasn't listed any.

      But if you saw the vehicles, I believe you.
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      Has anyone seen a review of the XC60 with the T6-e AWD?

      Wouldn't this be nice:

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      Interesting..

      http://www.fairfaxvolvo.com/inventor...tOrderBy=5%2C0

      Notice there is no MPG rating on the listing. I'm very interested to know how much better it is than the 23 MPG highway achieved by the 3.0 T6 AWD. For reference, the T6 Drive-e FWD XC60 manages 29 MPG hwy. So is it something like 26 MPG?
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      Quote Originally Posted by dbphillips View Post
      Well, they lack pictures and don't follow the formatting standard of the other listings. They feel like come-ons, especially since our local dealer hasn't listed any.

      But if you saw the vehicles, I believe you.
      Not every dealer posts pictures; some are good about and others not so much. The cars were still in transport mode and weren't prepped at all. A lot of dealer formatting is off if you look at several different ones.


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      Doing my Andy Rooney impression: did you ever wonder what MPG the T6 3.0 I6 would manage if it had evolved to include direct injection technology, a stop-start function and also mated to an efficient 8 speed tranny? Hmm? What if that baby achieved at least the same fuel mileage as the T6 Drive-e, maybe more?

      Such an engine exists in the similarly sized BMW X3 xdrive 35i, and it returns 28 MPG highway. Hmm..
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      According to the fueleconomy.gov The XC60 T6 AWD Drive-E will give you 20 city/ 23 combined /28 highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...WD&srchtyp=ymm

      Which is interesting because the sticker spec that I saw at the dealer quoted 20 city and 25 highway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jventu View Post
      According to the fueleconomy.gov The XC60 T6 AWD Drive-E will give you 20 city/ 23 combined /28 highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...WD&srchtyp=ymm

      Which is interesting because the sticker spec that I saw at the dealer quoted 20 city and 25 highway.
      Yep, I find it very hard to believe that the AWD version of the T6 drive-e only loses 1 MPG..

      http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....36243&id=36245
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      Also note the meager 3 combined MPG savings the T6-e AWD manages over the old T6 3.0 AWD. That equates to around $100 savings in fuel expense annually (driving 15K miles/yr). So a smaller, less powerful yet more complex and potentially more troublesome drive-e motor, that also sounds and feels less luxurious, nets you a big 100 bucks a year savings. Hmm.
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      It's about saving Volvo money, not giving you a better motor. Let's all be honest here. No company loves you (us) they want to make as much money as possible. That is it.
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      Agreed with the points above. After test driving both I see both Cons and Pros on each. One thing that makes the Drive-E version very appealing (at least to me) is the 8 speed transmission. It is quite smooth specially at low speeds and with baby in the back seat. Now, it terms of engine reliability hasn't the Drive-E engines been in EU for a while. Or am I mistaken? Any of the European folks have any experience or have heard of any issues?

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      Quote Originally Posted by jventu View Post
      Agreed with the points above. After test driving both I see both Cons and Pros on each. One thing that makes the Drive-E version very appealing (at least to me) is the 8 speed transmission. It is quite smooth specially at low speeds and with baby in the back seat. Now, it terms of engine reliability hasn't the Drive-E engines been in EU for a while. Or am I mistaken? Any of the European folks have any experience or have heard of any issues?
      People are already talking about oil loss issues like the 3.2 and T6.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darqhelmet View Post
      It's about saving Volvo money, not giving you a better motor. Let's all be honest here. No company loves you (us) they want to make as much money as possible. That is it.
      To be fair, it's about making room for the hybrid drivetrain, which i am all for, if they do it right. Watching all this fumbling with missing/choosing not to do the launch with electric, I seriously doubt they will. A T7e (T5e AWD with "true performance" and all-electric modes) would be incredible. Still not buying the twincharged tale. That said, I ain't paying $60k.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darqhelmet View Post
      It's about saving Volvo money, not giving you a better motor. Let's all be honest here. No company loves you (us) they want to make as much money as possible. That is it.
      Yeah, but it's a double-edged sword. Swing too far on cost savings and you cut your own foot off when you can't attract the desired "premium" buyers to showrooms. Volvo needs to balance cost savings with ensuring that the driving experience competes and wins. As much as I still like the way this S60 drives after 13 months with it, there's no denying that Drive-E has given up refinement to the I-6 in particular. I don't think it's physically possible for it not to. (I've driven it back-to-back with the I-5 and I actually think the two are pretty comparable in terms of raw NVH, although I'm a sucker for the particular flavor of NVH that the 5-cylinder gives you.)
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      Quote Originally Posted by zircular View Post
      (I've driven it back-to-back with the I-5 and I actually think the two are pretty comparable in terms of raw NVH, although I'm a sucker for the particular flavor of NVH that the 5-cylinder gives you.)
      But have you daily driven a T5? I guarantee the T5e will drive me nuts after having the T5 (which I agree is no NVH award winner, but that growl at WOT!). T6e might keep up, but I don't want the headaches.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Bmo Pete View Post
      Also note the meager 3 combined MPG savings the T6-e AWD manages over the old T6 3.0 AWD. That equates to around $100 savings in fuel expense annually (driving 15K miles/yr). So a smaller, less powerful yet more complex and potentially more troublesome drive-e motor, that also sounds and feels less luxurious, nets you a big 100 bucks a year savings. Hmm.
      Meager? Same power, better acceleration and better fuel economy? Sounds to me like a step (or a few steps) forward!
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      Quote Originally Posted by GrecianVolvo View Post
      Meager? Same power, better acceleration and better fuel economy? Sounds to me like a step (or a few steps) forward!
      I thought we established there is no proof the T6e AWD has better acceleration. And last I saw, the power curve for the T6 had more area under it, therefore more power. Certainly the torque curve has more area, meaning driving satisfaction is better with the T6. Add on reliability concerns with the twincharged engine (wait and see) and we are talking a wash, at best. And frankly, most luxury SUV buyers would never, ever trade driveability for 3 MPG. 5-10 maybe.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dbphillips View Post
      But have you daily driven a T5? I guarantee the T5e will drive me nuts after having the T5 (which I agree is no NVH award winner, but that growl at WOT!).
      I've driven current-generation T5 I-5s as service loaners while having my T5e serviced, which makes for a neat opportunity. I think if I were a random non-Volvo person I'd have a very hard time telling which engine was in front of me. The average person who would have been fine with the 5-cyl will be fine with the 4-cyl. But you pretty much nailed it with the growl. The Drive-E engine does a great job moving the vehicle (as long as I can find traction...all that torque has finally sold me on AWD) but there's something special about the 5-cyl sound and feel. Winding-out the T5e gets the car moving in a hurry, winding-out the real T5 does the same while reminding me of my dad's old 850 Turbo and puts a big grin on my face as a result. Literally the only thing that prevents me from going back is this 8-speed transmission. "From my cold, dead hands..." or something.

      Which brings us to the inevitable, necessary conclusion: Five-E. 5-cylinders, direct injection, 8-speeds, Haldex, and at least two of my dogs grinning from ear to floppy ear because I mistakenly turned a vet visit into a joyride in my V90 and they're just choosing the right moment to puke. It needs to happen (except for the puking part). Even if it takes a decade, even if I have to pony-up for a screaming blue Polestar model to get it. (That would actually be fine since it'll probably take me a decade to comfortably afford a Polestar of any kind.) You can even hashtag it: #Five-E or #VolvoFive-E . That's important because readily-hashtaged things tend to get done.

      #Five-E has been rolling around in my head for weeks, btw. I might need help.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GrecianVolvo View Post
      Meager? Same power, better acceleration and better fuel economy? Sounds to me like a step (or a few steps) forward!
      Nice try GV but this entire thread was started to bash the drive-E engines. Some get really attached to things and insist that all others are inferior, regardless of the issues that that engine might have had, for example the oil pressure issue with the 3.0 liter T6. It's a romanticized vision. I was concerned about the oil pressure issue which is part of the reason we leased the XC60 with the 3 liter T6, I'd have been more likely to have purchased it if the drive-e T6 awd were available, it's nic to see the package available now. Great power, great transmission, lighter weight, and decent fuel mileage, sure....less music from the exhaust. I'd rather have that than the fake noise "piped in" on some other vehicles.
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      Quote Originally Posted by zircular View Post
      Yeah, but it's a double-edged sword. Swing too far on cost savings and you cut your own foot off when you can't attract the desired "premium" buyers to showrooms. Volvo needs to balance cost savings with ensuring that the driving experience competes and wins. As much as I still like the way this S60 drives after 13 months with it, there's no denying that Drive-E has given up refinement to the I-6 in particular. I don't think it's physically possible for it not to. (I've driven it back-to-back with the I-5 and I actually think the two are pretty comparable in terms of raw NVH, although I'm a sucker for the particular flavor of NVH that the 5-cylinder gives you.)
      Fully agree with you. I am wary and annoyed with somethings they have done (removing the dipstick). My concern is the longevity of the new motors.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darqhelmet View Post
      My concern is the longevity of the new motors.
      Please show me ONE engine, designed and made by Volvo, that has not lasted for a long time...just ONE , in the past 35+ years.
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      T6

      And I really don't get why you are fighting so hard for this motor. It is unproven. What is proven is what happens when you run motors at high loads all the time. I am not saying the motors are going to blow up tomorrow, I am saying I don't trust them. I also think it is a horrible package for the XC60/90. You do not tow with 4 cylinder motor. Especially anything with mass like a 25 foot boat and trailer.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darqhelmet View Post
      T6
      T6? Can you show me evidence that this engine (3.0L I-6) has been systematically unreliable? Because I have not seen it and I have dealt with thousands of cars bearing that engine; I have not seen any evidence that this engine did not make it to a couple of hundred of thousand miles...

      And I really don't get why you are fighting so hard for this motor. It is unproven.
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      Because I have Volvo's engine history backing me up. Why are you fighting so hard against it? If it is "unproven", how can you (or anyone else for this matter) go on and post that this engine is going to be trouble or generally unreliable?

      What is proven is what happens when you run motors at high loads all the time. I am not saying the motors are going to blow up tomorrow, I am saying I don't trust them.
      Who is saying that this engine is running at high loads all the time? Please show evidence to that effect...I get it that you don't trust "them"; it is your right to do so. However, that does not qualify you claiming that this engine is "suspicious" or will not have a long life. When Volvo, first, introduced the 5-cyl engine (2.4L and 2.3L versions), I was fielding quite a few concerns such as "five cylinder? is this engine going to last? Especially since it is turbocharged and has 222 hp; will the turbo last? Isn't this engine running at high boost all the time?".

      This engine is also assisted by the 8-speed transmission, a KEY component in this engine's performance and fuel economy.


      I also think it is a horrible package for the XC60/90. You do not tow with 4 cylinder motor. Especially anything with mass like a 25 foot boat and trailer.
      As important as an engine is to towing a load, the type of transmission and its gears play a pivotal role, as well. By the way, have you traveled in Europe? Especially during summer?
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      T6 burn oil like they are trying to refine it. It's widely reported. I have had to deal with it in a 2011 S60. I also see it on every Volvo forum.

      Every post you put up is defending an unproven motor. Look we all like Volvo, that is why we buy them, that is why we are on a forum talking about, that doesn't mean blind support to them. It doesn't mean they can't make mistakes.

      As far as boost. No I don't know how much it is running, I do know how much boost it takes to produce the power that the motors make.

      No I stick to the river and desert in the summer. I see lots of people towing out there. None of them with 4 cyc.

      You're not going to change any of our minds. The more you push and try to keep people from talking about our thoughts/feelings about this package the worse you look. Time and miles, lots and lots of time and miles. You can't prove a negative, so asking us to argue that is impossible. Let it go, let us have our discussion. If it upsets you don't read it. But always jumping in blindly defending a motor that has ZERO history makes you look foolish. Hopefully you're proven right and I will be able to pickup a Volvo with a drive E motor in a couple years. But you're not helping anyone right now.
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