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      T8 wiring and required plug type for charging at home - a guide

      Several weeks ago we had the electricity ran in the garage in anticipation to getting the T8. We picked up our T8 one week ago, and realized that we had done a little overkill and the wrong type of plug. I tried to find out what type of plug the T8 charging cord takes, but could not find it written down - maybe I just overlooked it somewhere.

      According to the manual, the T8 charges at 15 Amps. We had a 50Amp circuit and plug installed with a NIMA 14-50 type plug, which was overkill.

      On Friday we changed out everything to meet the needs of the T8. Here is what you need:

      Plug Type: Legrand 5851 http://www.legrand.us/passandseymour...ngle/5851.aspx
      Circuit breaker: 20 Amps

      Of course you can remove the 120-240 adapter on the plug, and charge with 120, but it takes over 2 times as long.

      Hope this helps others getting ready for the T8.
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      Very helpful. Thanks! I've placed an order for a T8 that should arrive later this spring. I'm starting to look into getting the house ready for it!

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      Quote Originally Posted by rogbmw View Post
      Several weeks ago we had the electricity ran in the garage in anticipation to getting the T8. We picked up our T8 one week ago, and realized that we had done a little overkill and the wrong type of plug. I tried to find out what type of plug the T8 charging cord takes, but could not find it written down - maybe I just overlooked it somewhere.

      According to the manual, the T8 charges at 15 Amps. We had a 50Amp circuit and plug installed with a NIMA 14-50 type plug, which was overkill.

      On Friday we changed out everything to meet the needs of the T8. Here is what you need:

      Plug Type: Legrand 5851 http://www.legrand.us/passandseymour...ngle/5851.aspx
      Circuit breaker: 20 Amps

      Of course you can remove the 120-240 adapter on the plug, and charge with 120, but it takes over 2 times as long.

      Hope this helps others getting ready for the T8.
      I intentionally went with the NEMA 14-50 plug and 50 amp breaker - using www.ClipperCreek.com 's charging station. This enables visitors who come with their RV's to plug-in for AC, et al (except when I am charging my T8. ). It is a bit of overkill but my logic was to be future-proofed and to accommodate the "cousin Eddy's" of the world (Chevy Chase and National Lampoon's Vacation).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      I intentionally went with the NEMA 14-50 plug and 50 amp breaker - using ClipperCreek's charging station. This enables visitors who come with their RV's to plug-in for AC, et al (except when I am charging my T8. ). It is a bit of overkill but my logic was to be future-proofed and to accommodate the "cousin Eddy's" of the world (Chevy Chase and National Lapoom's Vacation).
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      I intentionally went with the NEMA 14-50 plug and 50 amp breaker - using ClipperCreek's charging station. This enables visitors who come with their RV's to plug-in for AC, et al (except when I am charging my T8. ). It is a bit of overkill but my logic was to be future-proofed and to accommodate the "cousin Eddy's" of the world (Chevy Chase and National Lapoom's Vacation).
      We have a 50A circuit with the 14-50 plug already in the garage, but it was not convenient to charge the T8 in that position, so thus the second circuit. Love the Cousin Eddy ability by the way!!
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      I ended up biting the bullet and having a Volvo-branded AeroVironment charger installed:
      http://store.evsolutions.com/volvo-3...cable-p80.aspx

      Now all that has to happen is for my T8 to arrive.
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      How many amps does the t8 pull on 120?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Gc52 View Post
      How many amps does the t8 pull on 120?
      Max is 12A from the US supplied charging cord according to this:
      http://store.evsolutions.com/turboco...v120v-p28.aspx
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gc52 View Post
      How many amps does the t8 pull on 120?
      I had that info - and I can't find it. Using the supplied cord it takes no longer than 7 hours to charge the battery - so 7 hours * 11 amps * 120 volts = 9.24 kW. To be honest I think its less than that; one of these days I'll setup a cable so I can throw a clamp-on amp meter on it and see what the real life numbers are.

      In any event - any 120 VAC outlet in North America should suffice (as they all have a minimum of 15 amp ratings).
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      So unless you want faster charging, there's really no need to install anything right? Or do you still need to have an electrician put a different size plug? Sorry it's little confusing lol We'll be ordering our T8 probably next month so just trying to understand this whole charging thing.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Brutus99 View Post
      So unless you want faster charging, there's really no need to install anything right?
      If you are parking your car in a garage and don't mind the +/- 7 hours for a full charge ... all you need is a standard NEMA 5-15 outlet (a regular plug).

      You should only use the charging cable that comes with the vehicle: do not use an extension cord to extend its length.

      Best though that the outlet you plug into is dedicated to charging the car. If that outlet is on a circuit for other things ... when the car is charging (say roughly 10 amps) if you were to draw another 5 amps on the same circuit you may pop a breaker.

      One additional thing (that was confirmed today in the Volvo support forum): if you have your vehicle outside and plugged into a 120 VAC outlet and turn on pre-conditioning ... the 120 VAC outlet will not be able to supply enough current to charge and precondition the vehicle (at the same time). I found that it drains the battery a bit and Volvo confirmed that is expected behaviour. This is a non-issue when you use a 220 to 240 VAC connection.
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      To emphasize what rpmccormick said, the line should be dedicated. Volvo states that in the Know Your Volvo app, too. If you need to install a dedicated line, I would upgrade to the 220/240 and select the breaker based on the charger that you want to use.
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      Thanks guys! What if you park inside and plug into regular outlet, will the pre-conditioning still work?? My garage is not heated but never goes below 0°C (there's finished drywall on all sides except outside wall).
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      Preconditioning on 120v will work, but 240v definitely recommended

      Quote Originally Posted by Brutus99 View Post
      Thanks guys! What if you park inside and plug into regular outlet, will the pre-conditioning still work?? My garage is not heated but never goes below 0°C (there's finished drywall on all sides except outside wall).
      Yes, preconditioning with 120v will still work if you have sufficient battery charge. A 240v system is recommended, but you can still precondition with 120v with some hybrid battery drain.

      If your car is fully charged, you can precondition with a regular 120v outlet. But, you should expect reduced reduced range and charge level as preconditioning is directly powered from the hybrid battery. The charger only "re-charges" the battery. The amount of drain will be more noticeable when you are heating your car particularly when OAT is cold (40F or lower). Cooling or air exchange may have a small or even negligible effect on the battery charge level as some have reported.

      To be more specific, what I observe with my 240v EVSE is that charging and preconditioning draws 15.5 amps at 240v. Mathematically, the 12 amp, 120v charging cannot recharge the hybrid battery at a sufficient rate while preconditioning with heat.

      You can adjust the climate settings (e.g., auto) and length of preconditioning to find the right balance. Manually starting the preconditioning and turning it off in a short period may help mitigate the amount of battery drain.

      Note: If your OAT is 30F or colder and you use a 120v charger, you can expect up to a 25% decrease in your hybrid battery range if you precondition for 20 minutes or more. The impact will be less with a warmer OAT and/or a shorter preconditioning period.
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      You do want a dedicated circuit as per the instructions. Note: when using the Volvo power cord on either 110 or 220, it will get warm, but not to the point that it should cause concern.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Brutus99 View Post
      What if you park inside and plug into regular outlet, will the pre-conditioning still work?? My garage is not heated but never goes below 0°C
      Yes, for sure. And if the interior of your garage is warm enough - preconditioning won't need to raise the temp of the vehicle all that much - and you won't loose any battery charge during preconditioning. Again - that being said for a 120 VAC connection. With 220-240 VAC ... no issues.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      If your car is fully charged, you can start preconditioning with a regular 110/120v outlet. It should be a dedicated line per Volvo. However, the caveat is that you will likely experience "some" drain on the hybrid battery. When you hop in the car, your hybrid battery charge might indicate something in the range of 90-99% - depending on the length and extent of preconditioning needed.

      As I understand it, the 110v/120v, 15 amp outlet and the charger are limited in amperage (i.e., current) to provide enough wattage (i.e., power) to sustain the full hybrid battery charge and run the preconditioning. Nonetheless, you can experiment with climate settings (e.g., auto) to find the right balance and to minimize battery drain. If you do not have access to a dedicated line, try to make sure that no other devices are plugged in or using power from that line.

      Although this may not be feasible or an option for everyone, a 220v/240v is optimal because it can provide up to ~ 20 amps and equivalent power to keep the hybrid battery charged while the preconditioning is consuming power from the hybrid battery.

      Note: Please correct me if my references to the hybrid battery (v. start battery) are incorrect. I need to refresh/confirm my memory.
      Interesting. We kept getting warnings that preconditioning was stopped because the battery was getting too low, even with it plugged in. Now, this was outside, 15 degrees. I shut off the auto timing preconditioning and now only precondition as I get ready to go. Hasn't happened since.

      It would appear that it is programmed to limit the drain.

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      I will make this a sticky, for a few weeks; useful info. Thanks, rogbmw, for starting it.
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      I had my charging station installed yesterday (EVDuty 40, locally built for our very cold winters). It's manual states that it is incompatible with electric vehicles that require ventilation for indoor charging. I can find many charging station that talk about this but no vehicle that requires ventilation for indoor charging. Does anyone know if the XC90 requires ventilation for indoor charging (not recommended ventilation but required by signalling so on the SAE-J1772 connector, protocol states that if charger cannot start ventilation of the closed area it cannot charge the vehicle). I am assuming that because no one brought this up that ventilation is not required but many of us are new to this EV stuff...
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      ^^^ I'm curious how much did that cost you roughly??
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      Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Canada View Post
      I had my charging station installed yesterday (EVDuty 40, locally built for our very cold winters). It's manual states that it is incompatible with electric vehicles that require ventilation for indoor charging. I can find many charging station that talk about this but no vehicle that requires ventilation for indoor charging. Does anyone know if the XC90 requires ventilation for indoor charging (not recommended ventilation but required by signalling so on the SAE-J1772 connector, protocol states that if charger cannot start ventilation of the closed area it cannot charge the vehicle). I am summing that because no one brought this up that ventilation is not required but many of us are new to this EV stuff...
      I am not sure of what you are referring to by "ventilation for indoor charging" but I can state that the T8 does have a fan that cycles off and on for cooling when it is being charged.
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      T8 wiring and required plug type for charging at home - a guide

      Quote Originally Posted by Brutus99 View Post
      ^^^ I'm curious how much did that cost you roughly??
      $729 cdn for the charger (30 amp charge / 40 amp breaker) and about $750 cdn for the installation (including materials ie breaker, wiring, power boxes) plus taxes. The provincial government will reimburse $650 (but wont give up their taxes). I live in the city and my driveway is right next to the house which made installation easy, house is left of car so cable does not have to go over car (or alternatively I do not have to back-in). Does anyone need pictures (no car yet though, latest date is feb 12th) ?
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      Quote Originally Posted by rogbmw View Post
      I am not sure of what you are referring to by "ventilation for indoor charging" but I can state that the T8 does have a fan that cycles off and on for cooling when it is being charged.
      I found this on a Nissan Leaf forum "The Ventilation requirement is for charging lead-acid battery vehicles which emit hydrogen when charging. No such worries with the LEAF and I'm not aware of any EVSEs on the market which handle ventilation, either.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Canada View Post
      $729 for the charger (30 amp charge / 40 amp breaker) and about $750 for the installation (including materials ie breaker, wiring, power boxes) plus taxes. The provincial government will reimburse $650 (but wont give up their taxes). I live in the city and my driveway is right next to the house which made installation easy, house is left of car so cable does not have to go over car (or alternatively I do not have to back-in). Does anyone need pictures (no car yet though, latest date is feb 12th) ?
      Thanks! That's not bad and yes pics would be nice to see.
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      Thanks for the pics! I just hope nobody takes advantage of your outdoor charger
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      I do not think that is likely but anyway its protected by motion sensors and security cameras.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Canada View Post
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      Merci pour les photos.

      Does the EV Duty have a dock to plug the charging plug into when it is not connected to the car? If not - you may want to consider getting one (I don't know if Clipper Creek sells theirs separately). The dock usually keeps the end of the cable up and covered so the environment doesn't affect it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by rpmccormick View Post
      Merci pour les photos.

      Does the EV Duty have a dock to plug the charging plug into when it is not connected to the car? If not - you may want to consider getting one (I don't know if Clipper Creek sells theirs separately). The dock usually keeps the end of the cable up and covered so the environment doesn't affect it.
      Yes EV Duty does sell a dock but I suspect that in my case because the charger is in a narrow walkway that if it were in a dock the plug would be more susceptible to being broken (by people or snow removal machinery). A cap on the plug would be in my case a better approach if such a thing exists.


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      **************************************** Update - This configuration does not work ************************************
      * The EV charger in the picture is a dedecated 240v, the Dual voltage Turbo Cord that comes with the Volvo T8 does not fit in the box *
      * It will fit in this box with a regular 110/120 volt outlet for an L1 charge. See my 27 june post for a 240v L2 installation *
      ************************************************** ************************************************** ***********

      You may wish to install the exterior box aerovironment has for the T8 charger. Problem is they do not sell it without a charger and as a T8 owner you already have the charger and just need the box. This is what i have found (when the electrician puts it all toguether I wiill confirm if it is all ok). This is to build a 240v nema 6-20 outdoor plug and cover.

      You are trying to build this:

      From a supplier call Radwell I have ordered:


      From Home depot I have ordered this (breaker will vary according to your electrical panel)


      Your receptacle and box should look like this:


      I have had discussion with supplier about ground fault breakers that would require a neutral wire which is not present in a NEMA 6-20. One would think that is required for an exterior plug.
      All prices are in Canadian $. I have installed a fixed charger (EV Duty) at home and plan to install this at my cottage.

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      I'd personally avoid using an external plug for a charging station - instead I'd hard wire it.

      240 VAC chargers in North America would typically never have a neutral connection: that would only be used when you want to source 120 VAC between the neutral and one of the X or Y mains connections.

      As for wire gauge - here's a chart for 240 VAC based on breaker amperage:



      Depending on how far the outlet / connection is from your breaker panel - and what you think your future plans may be - you may want to consider running AWG 8 wire which would support a 40 amp breaker. While today the XC90 doesn't need to draw that much current - it would make your installation ready for the higher current Level 2 station if you ever needed it. (A 240 VAC 20 amp circuit supports 16 amp connectivity whilst the 240 VAC 40 amp circuit supports 32 amp connections.)

      The above image comes from this web site page - which has wiring configs for just about every kind of North American connection:
      http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-w...t-outlets.html
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      Clipper Creek has a holster - I don't know if it works with just their plugs or any J1772 cords:



      USD $19 directly from them:
      https://www.clippercreek.com/store/p...ector-holster/
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      Quote Originally Posted by rpmccormick View Post
      Clipper Creek has a holster - I don't know if it works with just their plugs or any J1772 cords:



      USD $19 directly from them:
      https://www.clippercreek.com/store/p...ector-holster/
      If anyone tries this holster with the Aeroenvironment Dual cord charger please tell us how it fits !
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      Quote Originally Posted by rpmccormick View Post
      I'd personally avoid using an external plug for a charging station - instead I'd hard wire it.

      240 VAC chargers in North America would typically never have a neutral connection: that would only be used when you want to source 120 VAC between the neutral and one of the X or Y mains connections.

      As for wire gauge - here's a chart for 240 VAC based on breaker amperage:



      Depending on how far the outlet / connection is from your breaker panel - and what you think your future plans may be - you may want to consider running AWG 8 wire which would support a 40 amp breaker. While today the XC90 doesn't need to draw that much current - it would make your installation ready for the higher current Level 2 station if you ever needed it. (A 240 VAC 20 amp circuit supports 16 amp connectivity whilst the 240 VAC 40 amp circuit supports 32 amp connections.)

      The above image comes from this web site page - which has wiring configs for just about every kind of North American connection:
      http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-w...t-outlets.html
      I have hardwired my main residence with a 30Amp hard wired charger on a 40 Amp circuit and AWG 8 wiring (plan for second EV). But the T8 is delivered with a 15 amps charger with a nema 6-20 plug that requires a dedicated 240v 20 amp circuit. So I am thinking of a practical way to put the supplied charger to good use at the cottage. I will bookmark your wiring link it's a good one.
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      T8 wiring and required plug type for charging at home - a guide

      Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Canada View Post
      If anyone tries this holster with the Aeroenvironment Dual cord charger please tell us how it fits !
      The AeroVironment J1772 plug-in (and likely most any J1772 plug-in) works just fine with the ClipperCreek holster. I tried it since I have both. I have the AeroVironment DualCord sitting on top of my ClipoerCreek with the AeroVironment J1772 plugged into the ClipperCreek holster.

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