Winter Wheel Thread: Who plans to get a second set of rims/tires for winter? - Page 2
Username
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    Page 2 of 21 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 ... LastLast
    Results 36 to 70 of 723
    1. #36
      Junior Member MarcusGVA's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      Switzerland
      Posts
      14
      My Volvo dealer in Switzerland recommended Continental ContiCrossContact Winter tires for our XC90. So basically the winter version of our 19" Continental summer tires it came with. They were also recommended by a very large tire centre here. First snow expected this weekend, so we'll take it for a spin in the mountain and see how they perform!

    2. Remove Advertisements

      Advertisements
       

    3. #37
      Moderator The Driver's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2009
      Location
      Huntington, NY
      Posts
      3,518
      Quote Originally Posted by T5_awd View Post
      About $4200 for the wheels + Nokian Hakkapelitta in 275/40 21"
      Why would you buy 21 inch winter wheels?
      06R - Custom Electric Blue Silver - Suntek PPF / IGL Kenzo Coated / Llumar Airblue 80 / Huper Optic 40
      07R - Magic Blue IGL - Sold

    4. #38
      Junior Member IC0N0CLAST's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      In, Out, & Around...
      Posts
      962
      to replace the 21" summer wheels.

    5. Remove Advertisements
      SwedeSpeed.com
      Advertisements
       

    6. #39
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      The only tire that Costco sells for the 2016 XC90 is "Bridgestone - Blizzak DM-V2". Does anybody know much about these? Can I drive on them in the summer too? / Will I want to? Tiurerack doesnt have any reviews of them, and I am bit clueless on tires. I wouldn't want them to be noisey.

      Bridgestone - Blizzak DM-V2

      Item #: 469818
      Manufacturer Part #: 015913
      Tire Size: 235/55R19 105T
      Season: Winter
      Warranty: Basic Limited Warranty
      Sidewall: Black Letter
      Run Flat: N

    7. #40
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Jun 2015
      Posts
      126
      Quote Originally Posted by brandeeno View Post
      The only tire that Costco sells for the 2016 XC90 is "Bridgestone - Blizzak DM-V2". Does anybody know much about these? Can I drive on them in the summer too? / Will I want to? Tiurerack doesnt have any reviews of them, and I am bit clueless on tires. I wouldn't want them to be noisey.

      Bridgestone - Blizzak DM-V2

      Item #: 469818
      Manufacturer Part #: 015913
      Tire Size: 235/55R19 105T
      Season: Winter
      Warranty: Basic Limited Warranty
      Sidewall: Black Letter
      Run Flat: N
      I have these on my Santa Fe. They are very good winter tires, very grippy. But they are not a performance tire and they are loud when driven. I would not recommend them in the summer.

    8. #41
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      The DM V1's have plenty of reviews on tirerack. When I compare those to the OEM all season tires, the Blizzaks rank better in basically all areas... including noise. so i'd like to pose the question again based on that: Why shouldn't i use these as all seasons? Am I missing something?

      Blizzak
      http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....RatingsReviews

      OEM continentals
      http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....dClar=T6%20AWD

    9. #42
      i just ordered this from costco too.

    10. #43
      Moderator The Driver's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2009
      Location
      Huntington, NY
      Posts
      3,518
      Quote Originally Posted by IC0N0CLAST View Post
      to replace the 21" summer wheels.
      Not quite it... why the size?

      Winters are mean't to be destroyed, curbed, pitted, salted, cheaper and rarely cleaned being it's freezing.
      06R - Custom Electric Blue Silver - Suntek PPF / IGL Kenzo Coated / Llumar Airblue 80 / Huper Optic 40
      07R - Magic Blue IGL - Sold

    11. #44
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      Ontario, Canada
      Posts
      559
      Quote Originally Posted by brandeeno View Post
      The DM V1's have plenty of reviews on tirerack. When I compare those to the OEM all season tires, the Blizzaks rank better in basically all areas... including noise. so i'd like to pose the question again based on that: Why shouldn't i use these as all seasons? Am I missing something?

      Blizzak
      http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....RatingsReviews

      OEM continentals
      http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....dClar=T6%20AWD
      Don't run winter tires year-round; you'll wear them out too quickly. It's cheaper to get two pairs of tires and switch every 6 months then trying to run winters year-round.

      Winter tires have much softer rubber compounds which work well in cold temperatures (e.g., they stick to ice) but end up being poor in warm temperatures (e.g., will melt to hot asphalt in the summer and wear out way too quickly). Additionally, the tires will be very soft and won't deliver the same type of ride in warm temperatures as it will in cold.

    12. #45
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      I don't mean to challenge you... but the reviews say the wear is BETTER on the Blizzaks and worse on the OEM all seasons. thoughts?

    13. #46
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      Ontario, Canada
      Posts
      559
      Quote Originally Posted by brandeeno View Post
      I don't mean to challenge you... but the reviews say the wear is BETTER on the Blizzaks and worse on the OEM all seasons. thoughts?
      Yes, if you compare wear on winter tires in cold weather to wear on all-seasons over the course of the year, that may very well be true.

      But if you use winter tires on 100+ degree asphalt in the heart of the summer, they will absolutely wear out more quickly than all-season tires.

    14. #47
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      May 2015
      Posts
      258
      The Blizzaks are stud-less category. Drive them in the warm if you want to waste a lot of money. The performance winter category is not as bad for this, but still not the same as all season.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    15. #48
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      Ontario, Canada
      Posts
      559
      Quote Originally Posted by The Driver View Post
      Not quite it... why the size?

      Winters are mean't to be destroyed, curbed, pitted, salted, cheaper and rarely cleaned being it's freezing.
      I've always wondered. What should you look for in a good winter rim?

      Up until now I've used those ugly steel wheels for my winter tires, but if I get this car, I'll want alloy rims for the winters (can't have the car look like $#*% for half of each year. What makes a good winter rim? Is there a special type of paint/finish we should look for to make it more salt/rust resistant? Fewer spokes so easier to clean? A specific type of construction that makes it better suited to winter (e.g., forged?)? Or is it just basically all the same as any other rim?

    16. #49
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      May 2015
      Posts
      258
      Also worth mentioning, in general, the studless category is not as good for dry conditions. They choose trade offs for ice and snow.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    17. #50
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      got it. thank you

    18. #51
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      i am not so sure if i am willing to spend the extra money for winter and non-winter tires/wheels. seems like to much effort, cost and storage for me. i have never switched tired for my previous cars, not sure if its really worth it for me in north jersey for the 5-10 snow storms we have a year

    19. #52
      Moderator The Driver's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2009
      Location
      Huntington, NY
      Posts
      3,518
      What makes a good winter rim?

      Smallest diameter possible for three big reasons.

      1. Bigger sidewall for pot holes etc and more cushion on the sidewall height.
      2. Tire's an rims will be significantly cheaper.
      3. Snow won't chunk as easily inside the rim causing massive vibration. If you get a rim that just clears the brake caliper it almost self clean.

      As far as look you have a trade off. Multispoke bbs style keep snow out of the rim but are harder to clean, where as 5 spokes are super easy to clean but snow will get in, I get massive vibration with my oem pegs when snow cakes up. This is also why I said run minimum diameter, it does get quite bad with large size rims.

      As far as forged, it's not worth the money IMO. If you hit hard enough to crack or bend it's going to happen regardless most of the time.
      Last edited by The Driver; 11-19-2015 at 03:04 PM.
      06R - Custom Electric Blue Silver - Suntek PPF / IGL Kenzo Coated / Llumar Airblue 80 / Huper Optic 40
      07R - Magic Blue IGL - Sold

    20. #53
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      Ontario, Canada
      Posts
      559
      Quote Originally Posted by The Driver View Post
      What makes a good winter rim?

      Smallest diameter possible for three big reasons.

      1. Bigger sidewall for pot holes etc and more cushion on the sidewall height.
      2. Tire's an rims will be significantly cheaper.
      3. Snow won't chunk as easily inside the rim causing massive vibration. If you get a rim that just clears the brake caliper it almost self clean.

      As far as look you have a trade off. Multispoke bbs style keep snow out of the rim but are harder to clean, where as 5 spokes are super easy to clean but snow will get in, I get massive vibration with my oem pegs when snow cakes up. This is also why I said run minimum diameter, it does get quite bad with large size rims.

      As far as forged, it's not worth the money IMO. If you hit hard enough to crack or bend it's going to happen regardless most of the time.
      Thanks! Extremely helpful. I'm posting a pic from a different thread that shows the 18" rims that Volvo sells as part of their Accessory packages (in Canada they come paired with Michelin X-Ice 2 tires for $2800). Looking at this, would you go any smaller than 18s on this car? How would you feel about 19s for winter?

      And I guess based on what you're saying this type of rim would be very prone to snow build-up / vibration?


    21. #54
      Moderator The Driver's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2009
      Location
      Huntington, NY
      Posts
      3,518
      Quote Originally Posted by MaxwellMcGee View Post
      Thanks! Extremely helpful. I'm posting a pic from a different thread that shows the 18" rims that Volvo sells as part of their Accessory packages (in Canada they come paired with Michelin X-Ice 2 tires for $2800). Looking at this, would you go any smaller than 18s on this car? How would you feel about 19s for winter?

      And I guess based on what you're saying this type of rim would be very prone to snow build-up / vibration?

      They look good but yes they would be more prone to build up, that said if they are the minimum clearance rim as far as diameter they should still be pretty good. Like I said the brakes calipers literally clean the wheels out when snow chunks up. That said when I have an inch or bigger in clearance like my 18's the vibration is horrible but when I run my 17's (Minimum clearance rim for the R) I rarely get anything. So with that said the only way to really stop it almost 100% is mesh or multispoke wheels like these.



      I remember seeing someone on the R forum actually had custom made steelies for his R, they were 17's an I have to say they were very aggressive looking an they definitely keep out the snow + you care a whole lot less. That said, your definitely on the right track!
      06R - Custom Electric Blue Silver - Suntek PPF / IGL Kenzo Coated / Llumar Airblue 80 / Huper Optic 40
      07R - Magic Blue IGL - Sold

    22. #55
      Junior Member IC0N0CLAST's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      In, Out, & Around...
      Posts
      962
      Quote Originally Posted by The Driver View Post
      Not quite it... why the size?

      Winters are mean't to be destroyed, curbed, pitted, salted, cheaper and rarely cleaned being it's freezing.
      size has very little to do with what you mentioned that more of a finish issue than size. i've used 20" and 21" winter/snow/ice wheel and tire combos without issue or complaint through urban, suburban and rural areas. i am sure an 18" would be more pleasurable and much cheaper i would not get the combination of fashion and function during winter use. since i drive the vehicle all year i want to appreciate it all year as well, not just spring and summer.

    23. #56
      Moderator The Driver's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2009
      Location
      Huntington, NY
      Posts
      3,518
      Quote Originally Posted by IC0N0CLAST View Post
      size has very little to do with what you mentioned that more of a finish issue than size. i've used 20" and 21" winter/snow/ice wheel and tire combos without issue or complaint through urban, suburban and rural areas. i am sure an 18" would be more pleasurable and much cheaper i would not get the combination of fashion and function during winter use. since i drive the vehicle all year i want to appreciate it all year as well, not just spring and summer.
      Well I don't know what urban area's you drive but here in NY an CT the roads have holes up to 1ft deep, not to mention awful ice. I would never use a low pro as a winter tire, it has everything to do with function. If you can't see the obvious points I mentioned your missing something. I should elaborate better, what I mean by "destroyed" is dented or cracked, most people with any low profiles in NY know this. I've cracked 1 peg an dented 4 since the ownership of the R while trying to run higher sizes in the winter, I won't make that mistake with the other rides.

      I have 18's for the summer an 17's for the winter just for the R, just as well as 20's for the summer and 19's for the winter on the S7. I couldn't imagine driving any luxury car on horrible, bumpy NY roads with anything other then 40 series or above sidewalls.

      Just for fun, why would Audi sell the smallest diameter rim an the largest series sidewall as their winter performance package for a car like the S7?
      Last edited by The Driver; 11-19-2015 at 08:45 PM.
      06R - Custom Electric Blue Silver - Suntek PPF / IGL Kenzo Coated / Llumar Airblue 80 / Huper Optic 40
      07R - Magic Blue IGL - Sold

    24. #57
      Banned
      Join Date
      Nov 2013
      Posts
      763
      Quote Originally Posted by brandeeno View Post
      i am not so sure if i am willing to spend the extra money for winter and non-winter tires/wheels. seems like to much effort, cost and storage for me. i have never switched tired for my previous cars, not sure if its really worth it for me in north jersey for the 5-10 snow storms we have a year
      I'm in Illinois and used snow tires for the first time last winter on one van. Never going back. Bought another set + rims for the second van. I just put the winters on one van, and will do them for the second once I get the second set out of the basement.

    25. #58
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      May 2015
      Posts
      258
      NY / CT have the worse roads in the country though. Major traffic, tons of huge trucks, cold weather. Certainly makes sense to have smaller tires, but a pretty special area for crap roads.


      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    26. #59
      Junior Member Skitruckmaskin's Avatar
      Join Date
      Sep 2015
      Location
      Metro Boston Area
      Posts
      487
      All good points above. I ran super basic black steel winter wheels on my previous vehicles, and would have gladly put them on my new XC90 (had I been able to source them). I thought they actually looked better than the alloys LOL. If anyone finds a steel winter wheel option for an XC90 I might consider NOT running the 20's, but since this is the first model year and there were literally no options in the US when I ordered, I had the 20"s fitted with blizzaks for my November delivery. Even Steel wheels (with no vents) can vibrate if snow gets blown in or stuck in the wheel. The only time this ever really happens is when you plow through a snow bank while making a turn. If you are driving through un-packed snows on the road, you will rarely have problems with snow creating vibrations.

      Agreed... If you drive your winter tires in the summer, your vehicle's handling will become awful, sloppy, rolly and downright dangerous at speed in corners with such soft compounds + they will wear on the edge blocks quickly (where you really want square edges for cornering traction in winter).

    27. #60
      Junior Member Mellow Guy's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2015
      Location
      Vancouver, WA
      Posts
      243
      I have a short winter, but steep hills. Any all-season tires that would work for me?

    28. #61
      Quote Originally Posted by The Driver View Post
      Why would you buy 21 inch winter wheels?
      On the T8 you have two options. 19" or 21" winter wheels. I drive an XC90 D5 Inscription now until I get my T8. It has 21" summer wheels and 19" turbine winter wheels and it looks too small.

    29. #62
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Jun 2015
      Posts
      126
      Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Guy View Post
      I have a short winter, but steep hills. Any all-season tires that would work for me?
      Perrelli Scorpion winters is what I have on my XC60 (20") and I plan on getting the same for my XC90. They are a performance tire and are meant to run at 40 degrees and below. I swap the rubber on my existing wheels each season for $60-80. The rubber compound on all-season tires gets very hard during the cold and you lose a lot of traction. It's not about snow, more of a temperature thing. Since winter tires extend the life of your stock tires they don't really cost anything except for the service to swap and storage. I picked up some storage racks and covers from Tirerack.

    30. #63
      Junior Member Deman77's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      UK south east
      Posts
      159
      Have never bothered before in south of England but on a two ton lump i don't want to take chances. Never a deep snow here, some black ice and early morning frosts, but main requirement is wet grip in 0-7C cold that does not deteriorate too much if we have unseasonal warm weather 10+.
      Read up all I could find. This is what sealed it for me with full winters but look for good wet grip and only good enough snow grip given my conditions.
      http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...e-find-out.htm
      This next confirmed to me that it's not clearcut about going with smaller wheels and narrower tyres
      http://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article...e-winter-tyres
      I went with these in the end - they are not current best in winter tests but have been around for a few years and conti still don't change them and they meet my criteria for good grip in higher temperature not just sub 7.
      Continental WinterContact TS 850 P 275/45R20 110 V - exact size match to my summers.
      Work out half the price of getting 18in winter shod 235 profile same wheels from Volvo. According to conti wider profile will still drip better in cold wet just loses in deep snow. Deep snow would paralyse England south east so you will sit home or in a long traffic queue even in snow chains.
      My dealer will store them for free and charge me gbp60 a swap.
      I don't have to spoil the look of the car with stubby little 18inchers.

    31. #64
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      I have always fear switching wheel/tire sizes will mess up the metrics when it comes to miles, fuel economy, mph, etc... no? I would expect the cars are calibrated for the wheels they are shipped with. 1 full rotation of a 17'' wheel vs a 21'' wheel goes a different distance.

    32. #65
      Junior Member JasonRK's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 2015
      Location
      UT USA
      Posts
      74
      Quote Originally Posted by brandeeno View Post
      I have always fear switching wheel/tire sizes will mess up the metrics when it comes to miles, fuel economy, mph, etc... no? I would expect the cars are calibrated for the wheels they are shipped with. 1 full rotation of a 17'' wheel vs a 21'' wheel goes a different distance.
      If you get a tire with a smaller rim and a larger sidewall there are usually options that match up outer tire diameter within a few millimeters, which shouldn't affect speedometer.
      Tirerack has a good article in their information section about plus- and minus- sizing. It's complicated (for me) to figure out what sizes you need, what fits on a given wheel width, etc. Luckily they do a lot of the legwork for you.

    33. #66
      Junior Member IC0N0CLAST's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      In, Out, & Around...
      Posts
      962
      providing you retain the same overall rolling diameter there will be no deviation from manufacture design and functionality. (on vw/audi/bmw you can calibrate navigation and speedo for larger or smaller wheels than what the vehicle was installed with. this way there is no irregularities or inaccurate data on these devices. i am guessing volvo MAY have a way to do this as well but i am not sure since this product is new to me and i have not had time to play with it since i haven't even taken delivery of it yet.)

      you can look up tire and wheel calculators which will help you figure out which pairing would replicate the original specs the best.

    34. #67
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      fascinating. thank you.

    35. #68
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Posts
      26
      We live in CO and do quite a bit of winter snow/icy driving as we are all skiiers. Any of our vehicles that we use in the winter ALL get snow tires in the winter for safety, and then summer tires for summer, again for safety.

      An all season tire is maybe 20% better in the snow/ice compared to summer tires whereas snow tires are 100% better (subjectively speaking but backed by tests too). And, summer tires are probably 20% - 50% better (depending upon the tire) performing (handling, braking, noise etc) than all season tires in the summer.

      If one owns (say) a $50,000 vehicle and the performance (safety, handling and noise etc) can be improved by 20% to 50% by owning two sets of tires optimized for summer and winter, it would seem an easy investment of (say) $1,000 - $2,000 to achieve this. Spend 4% of vehicle's purchase price (4% x $50k = $2,000 for additional set of tires/wheels) to achieve 20% more performance is a no brainer for me.

      another way of saying it - I will NEVER own all season tires as they deteriorate the experience of an otherwise excellent car.

      It has already been said, but a snow tire's soft rubber melts off the car in hot weather. And, summer (and also all season tires) become like hard plastic in the icy temperatures. Look on Youtbe at the braking results for winter tires vs summer tires. In an emergency situation it can easily mean the difference between getting stopped and ending up in a horrible accident. The differnces in braking distances are huge.

      Get winter tires in the winter and summer tires in the summer.
      Last edited by sarends; 11-22-2015 at 12:39 PM.
      2016 XC90 Inscription, Onyx/Amber, Climate, Convenience, Vision, Air Susp., Booster chair, B&W, 21" Wheels
      2015 GMC Sierra Denali 2500 Duramax
      1999 BMW M3 Coupe 5MT

    36. #69
      Banned
      Join Date
      Nov 2013
      Posts
      763
      http://www.thecarcrashdetective.com/...-minivan.html/

      As many others have said, it's about the temperature as much (if not more) than it's about the snow.

      I also have to agree with the folks questioning the logic of buying a $50,000 vehicle and not willing to spend an extra $1,000 for protection from conditions that affect 25% of your yearly driving time (i.e., late fall to early spring).

      Finally, I'd also recommend buying a full set of rims (as do most folks on this thread) vs just buying tires and sharing rims. Besides the fact that this allows you to actually switch the tires on your own, saving $50-$100 each time, and allows you to choose tires that fit smaller rims (which are almost always cheaper than tires for larger rims), it also dramatically reduces the risk of damage to both sets of tires, because every time you mount or unmount a tire, you're risking bead damage.
      Last edited by IIHS; 11-22-2015 at 01:49 PM.

    37. #70
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2015
      Location
      New Jersey, USA
      Posts
      241
      So where do you guys store your tires? Can my tires be stores in the attic? it would get down to -5 F in the winter (for the summer tires) and the roof could possible make the attic 130 as a wild guess for the summer (for winter tires)/

    38. Remove Advertisements

      Advertisements
       

    Page 2 of 21 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 ... LastLast