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      2018 S90 Assembled in China

      Hello Everyone!

      I am currently on a market to lease a new car.
      S90 was (and still is, I think) my primary choice.
      I am a little hesitant (or some nights even more than that). Almost all of S90 have been assembled in China.
      1.For those of you who already have one (from that China assembly plant) any issues with a car?
      2. For those of you who are planning to have one, how big is a "China Assembly Fear Factor" ?

      Thank you very much for any input.

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      I know I was disappointed when I learned my '02 BMW 325i was being assembled in South Africa. I can't say I had any issues related to assembly quality.

      Also, I don't think '18 S90s were assembled in China, I believe that starts with '18. Just get a V90, those are still made in Sweden

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      Well, I am about to sign a lease, via one of flourishing nowadays Leasing Companies. The guy is saying - Final Assembly Plant - China. I will confirm that when they deliver a car to my driveway

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      If you can get a VIN, that will tell you.

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      '18 S90s are assembled in China and is very easy too tell. First the rear seat room is much bigger. Second the rear mid seat/arm reset are much better than '17 standard wheel-base model.
      You don't need a VIN to check it.

      Again, assembled in China does not mean quality is not the same. If indeed you can tell some difference, it could even be better.

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      Quote Originally Posted by goVolvo View Post
      '18 S90s are assembled in China and is very easy too tell. First the rear seat room is much bigger. Second the rear mid seat/arm reset are much better than '17 standard wheel-base model.
      You don't need a VIN to check it.

      Again, assembled in China does not mean quality is not the same. If indeed you can tell some difference, it could even be better.
      We've driven a number of Chinese-made S60 Inscriptions and they've been flawless.
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      Quote Originally Posted by goVolvo View Post
      '18 S90s are assembled in China and is very easy too tell. First the rear seat room is much bigger. Second the rear mid seat/arm reset are much better than '17 standard wheel-base model.
      You don't need a VIN to check it.

      Again, assembled in China does not mean quality is not the same. If indeed you can tell some difference, it could even be better.

      Well that's untrue, the S90 production moved to China in May this year. There is no difference to rear leg room. The LWB S90 is now standard in the USA but the rest of the world still get the standard WB model.

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      Volvo experts from Sweden were 100% involved in getting the plant designed and built and staffed and trained and overseeing quality. Same thing is happening in the USA with Volvo's newest plant. You should have zero issues with quality concerns.
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      While I'm not necessarily in favor of Euro brands moving manufacturing to China, I don't think the Chinese people are incapable of producing a quality product. I think it is the Chinese manufacturers looking to make a quick buck that give their products a bad reputation. A well managed factory in China can make cars as well as they can anywhere.

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      Quote Originally Posted by smc View Post
      While I'm not necessarily in favor of Euro brands moving manufacturing to China, I don't think the Chinese people are incapable of producing a quality product. I think it is the Chinese manufacturers looking to make a quick buck that give their products a bad reputation. A well managed factory in China can make cars as well as they can anywhere.
      Indeed. While a cell phone isn't a car, China certainly can produce quality iPhones...at a rate of 10 per second!

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      Quote Originally Posted by murrays View Post
      Indeed. While a cell phone isn't a car, China certainly can produce quality iPhones...at a rate of 10 per second!
      Well, a cell phone is not a car and ball bearing is not a cell phone...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Papa_Kirlo View Post
      Well, a cell phone is not a car and ball bearing is not a cell phone...


      Point well taken. The Chinese suck at manufacturing. Cutting Corners, Safety Violations, Inferior Products, etc are par for the course in China. Anyway who argues differently is in denial. The U.S. even had Fake Processors from China integrated into our weapons arsenal. Was a big story few years back.

      Volvo can swing the story any way it sees fit. However, made in China is not going to help sell the brand. Period.

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      I've read about a lot of quality problems with the XC 90, which is built on the same platform as the S90, so those same problems could occur, regardless of where it's built.

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      I concur, the plant is governed by volvo management, hence QA and QC will not let shoddy workmanship get by. Volvo wouldn't survive if that happened.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ranorov View Post
      Hello Everyone!

      I am currently on a market to lease a new car.
      S90 was (and still is, I think) my primary choice.
      I am a little hesitant (or some nights even more than that). Almost all of S90 have been assembled in China.
      1.For those of you who already have one (from that China assembly plant) any issues with a car?
      2. For those of you who are planning to have one, how big is a "China Assembly Fear Factor" ?

      Thank you very much for any input.
      Not an issue. The S60 Inscriptions have been made in China for a couple of years now. No issues with quality. We have delivered several 18 S90's, their owners love them.

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      Well I can tell you my 2018 S90 T5 which was made in China has been the least reliable vehicle I have ever owned in over 50 years of driving. Maybe it’s just a bad one-off or overall poor design - but it has been in the dealership for at least 6 different issues in 2 years -most small - but going back Fri for 3rd time to try and resolve a serious torque converter/hard shifting issue. If it happens again it becomes a Lemon Law candidate. Either way, based on my experience so far I likely won’t buy another Volvo period. As an example, had to replace front brake pads at 2 year service and less than 18k miles! My wife’s 10 year old Camry has 80k miles and pads are STILL good. Also terrible, loud Perrilli tires.

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      Well I can tell you my 2018 S90 T5 which was made in China has been the least reliable vehicle I have ever owned in over 50 years of driving. Maybe it’s just a bad one-off or overall poor design - but it has been in the dealership for at least 6 different issues in 2 years -most small - but going back Fri for 3rd time to try and resolve a serious torque converter/hard shifting issue. If it happens again it becomes a Lemon Law candidate. Either way, based on my experience so far I likely won’t buy another Volvo period. As an example, had to replace front brake pads at 2 year service and less than 18k miles! My wife’s 10 year old Camry has 80k miles and pads are STILL good. Also terrible, loud Perrilli tires.
      I think the brake pad issue is a common one, where Volvo has often done it under warranty.

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      Quote Originally Posted by OilMan View Post
      Well I can tell you my 2018 S90 T5 which was made in China has been the least reliable vehicle I have ever owned in over 50 years of driving. Maybe it’s just a bad one-off or overall poor design - but it has been in the dealership for at least 6 different issues in 2 years -most small - but going back Fri for 3rd time to try and resolve a serious torque converter/hard shifting issue. If it happens again it becomes a Lemon Law candidate. Either way, based on my experience so far I likely won’t buy another Volvo period. As an example, had to replace front brake pads at 2 year service and less than 18k miles! My wife’s 10 year old Camry has 80k miles and pads are STILL good. Also terrible, loud Perrilli tires.
      The transmissions are assembled and sourced from Japan.

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      I think the main point of contention is that moving to China HURTS the Volvo Brand. Even having a plant in the USA. These decisions eliminate the "wow factor" for those loving an OSD and the Euro Brand.

      Per the quality, time will tell what happens under Geely. Sounds like a bad move to add "Made in China" to the label. I'm sure the Chinese ARE capable of quality with strict manufacturing standards put into place. However, China's overall track record laves a lot to be desired.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      I think the main point of contention is that moving to China HURTS the Volvo Brand. Even having a plant in the USA. These decisions eliminate the "wow factor" for those loving an OSD and the Euro Brand.

      Per the quality, time will tell what happens under Geely. Sounds like a bad move to add "Made in China" to the label. I'm sure the Chinese ARE capable of quality with strict manufacturing standards put into place. However, China's overall track record laves a lot to be desired.
      BMW and Mercedes build cars in the US and have for ages. Not many complain that this diminishes their brand. That being said, one of the reasons I went for the 2017 S90 is the final assembly point. That and the length. I firmly believe that if I am getting a 60k sedan, it should not be made in China. Volvo can frame it any way they want but it's a clear cost cutting measure to avoid expensive Swedish labor.
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      Quote Originally Posted by mzcool View Post
      BMW and Mercedes build cars in the US and have for ages. Not many complain that this diminishes their brand. That being said, one of the reasons I went for the 2017 S90 is the final assembly point. That and the length. I firmly believe that if I am getting a 60k sedan, it should not be made in China. Volvo can frame it any way they want but it's a clear cost cutting measure to avoid expensive Swedish labor.

      Typical American narrow minded racist bull**** comment. Like Americans know how to build cars, produced some of the biggest piles of rubbish ever!

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      I think the main point of contention is that moving to China HURTS the Volvo Brand. Even having a plant in the USA. These decisions eliminate the "wow factor" for those loving an OSD and the Euro Brand.

      Per the quality, time will tell what happens under Geely. Sounds like a bad move to add "Made in China" to the label. I'm sure the Chinese ARE capable of quality with strict manufacturing standards put into place. However, China's overall track record leaves a lot to be desired.
      Better "Made in China" than closed and shuttered or shrunk....think "Saab." Geely has invested the equivalent of over $10B in Volvo. Had that not happened, I suspect I would not have had such a nice S90 today. And, while not allowed, I definitely would have considered the "China Overseas Delivery" if it was offered.
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      Get over it. Our Boxster was made in Finland. Somebody else's BMW was made by rednecks in South Carolina. Some of the best Hondas ever made were built in Ohio. And so on. (Oh, and by the way, it cost me $3,000 to replace the Boxster's crap intermediate shaft bearing, the infamous Porsche flaw affecting tens of thousands of Boxsters and 911s, designed by some genius German engineer wearing a white shopcoat in Stuttgart. I think the Chinese probably would have done a better job.)

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      Quote Originally Posted by stepwilk View Post
      Get over it. Our Boxster was made in Finland. Somebody else's BMW was made by rednecks in South Carolina. Some of the best Hondas ever made were built in Ohio.
      Finland != China. Best Hondas were built in Japan; see: S2000 vs. POS Made in USA Civic (of which 've both owned)

      Chinese LCD TV, iphone, clothing, shoes, chopsticks, no problemo, and I'd absolutely buy a Chinese S90, at $30K OTD, not at whatever the new MSRP for a '17 S90. The fear isn't a fear, it's reality. Google "China high speed train crashes". New Chinese passenger jet? NO WAY NO HOW; GTFOUTTA HERE.

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      Quote Originally Posted by stepwilk View Post
      Get over it. Our Boxster was made in Finland. Somebody else's BMW was made by rednecks in South Carolina. Some of the best Hondas ever made were built in Ohio. And so on. (Oh, and by the way, it cost me $3,000 to replace the Boxster's crap intermediate shaft bearing, the infamous Porsche flaw affecting tens of thousands of Boxsters and 911s, designed by some genius German engineer wearing a white shopcoat in Stuttgart. I think the Chinese probably would have done a better job.)
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      it is the Chinese manufacturers looking to make a quick buck that give their products a bad reputation.
      It's not the Chinese manufacturers, it's the U. S. importers--the Walmarts and Targets and Harbor Freights--who demand $30 floorlamps, $98 chainsaws and $9.98 socket-wrench sets. The Chinese manufacturers simply say, "That's what you want? We can give you that. It'll be made of Chinesium, but that's your problem."

      The importers who insist on strict quality control and pay for it get...well, Volvos.

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      As I sat in the first 2018 S90 delivered to my dealer, I remarked that the new car smell was subtly different: I seemed to detect a slight whiff of chow mein...
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      Quote Originally Posted by volvobuff View Post
      As I sat in the first 2018 S90 delivered to my dealer, I remarked that the new car smell was subtly different: I seemed to detect a slight whiff of chow mein...
      mine smelled like beer and wurst, I think many parts sourced from the fatherland!
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      Actually there's one thing, aside from QC that I wonder about with Chinese manufacture of the S90 (Mine's due in December) - the quality of the steel. I don't know if it'll be sourced from the same place as the European ones or not and different countries seem to have different qualities of steel in my experience, or it could just be down to thickness... Then again I'm not even sure where mine's being built as I'm in the UK and won't get the stretched version China and the US will have (I think!).

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      Yes, steel can be sourced from different places, but the specs are certainly well defined and easily verified. Outside of "cheating", it's certainly not in Geely's best interest to let things slide.

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      Quote Originally Posted by murrays View Post
      Yes, steel can be sourced from different places, but the specs are certainly well defined and easily verified. Outside of "cheating", it's certainly not in Geely's best interest to let things slide.
      Imagine if a chinese made Volvo failed crash testing... their $11B investment would disappear.
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      I am sure Volvo will have strict safety standards. The problem is the Chinese are well known for cutting corners, circumnavigating safety protocols, and using inferior products. I.E. I would be very skeptical of Chinese made steel. Regulations in China, even if the specs are uniform, lack uniformity. Think of the U.S. Government getting duped and using knock off parts in our Military Equipment. Yes that REALLY HAPPENED!

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-18155293

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      I am sure Volvo will have strict safety standards. The problem is the Chinese are well known for cutting corners, circumnavigating safety protocols, and using inferior products. I.E. I would be very skeptical of Chinese made steel. Regulations in China, even if the specs are uniform, lack uniformity. Think of the U.S. Government getting duped and using knock off parts in our Military Equipment. Yes that REALLY HAPPENED!

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-18155293
      Suppliers certainly have that issue. The majority of part sourcing likely has not changed much from the Gotenberg built S90 and Chinese built S90. Volvo will have the same PPAP and QC systems in place for this factory versus their other factories. Working at an OEM I have had issues with both domestic and Chinese suppliers making unauthorized changes that sadly make it to the customer as any OEM does. Good QC systems limit this. I don't expect much difference between Chinese and Swedish built cars because the parts are likely sourced from the same places. The only difference I might expect would be very minor fit and finish issues. FWIW, my Swedish-built S90 does have a couple (very minor) fit and finish issues, but I did not expect perfection.

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      Quote Originally Posted by event View Post
      Suppliers certainly have that issue. The majority of part sourcing likely has not changed much from the Gotenberg built S90 and Chinese built S90. Volvo will have the same PPAP and QC systems in place for this factory versus their other factories. Working at an OEM I have had issues with both domestic and Chinese suppliers making unauthorized changes that sadly make it to the customer as any OEM does. Good QC systems limit this. I don't expect much difference between Chinese and Swedish built cars because the parts are likely sourced from the same places. The only difference I might expect would be very minor fit and finish issues. FWIW, my Swedish-built S90 does have a couple (very minor) fit and finish issues, but I did not expect perfection.
      I hope you are correct. I'd hate to see the Volvo Brand go to Hell under Geely.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      I hope you are correct. I'd hate to see the Volvo Brand go to Hell under Geely.
      It seems that, at least so far, the opposite has happened.

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