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      Anyone replace their own brake pads yet?

      I'm at 30k, and my pads are shot. Don't thing Volvo will cover new pads. They have already replaced the rotors for squeals.

      If you have done your pads, what ones did you go with?

      Is 30k all we get out of stock brake pads, seems super low to me.


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      If it's the fronts, it should be pretty standard to replace them. I'd recommend Akebono - great brakes with good brake feel, excellent street performance, and low dust. From what I've read about replacing the rears on the new XC90s is that it can be tricky due to the electric e-brake. I don't have experience with either yet but will likely tackle the fronts without hesitation when it's my turn.
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      I've had a couple with worn out brakes around 30k or 40k. Depends on your driving habits.

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      I had the front pads replaced @ 20K for the squeak issue. The rotors where already the newer version and they put in new pads with a modified compound. You may want to check with the dealer what that new versions cost. This is documented in the front brake squealing TJ.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Uukonjack View Post
      I had the front pads replaced @ 20K for the squeak issue. The rotors where already the newer version and they put in new pads with a modified compound. You may want to check with the dealer what that new versions cost. This is documented in the front brake squealing TJ.


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      i had taken it in 2 times for squeaking, i thought they changed the pads, but only seems they did the rotors since the pads have no life left. going back tomorrow to see what they can do.

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      Anyone replace their own brake pads yet?

      I just replaced the rear pads on mine today (36000kms). I Used OEM from Volvo spare parts....$169!
      I followed the advice on this YouTube vid:
      https://youtu.be/35Ost8pExtc

      Changes to note (differences from vid to my reality):
      Torx driver #47 is actually a #45.......EDIT....is actually a 7mm HEX... EDIT see below for follow up responses
      Torx driver #30 is actually a 5mm hex drive!
      Don’t take off top two bolts completely...just the top one completely then loosen the lower one. This allows you to work with two hands
      Took about an hour for the first wheel...then I got my head around it and the 2nd wheel only took ½ hour....that was using the vehicle supplied jack too!
      Not sure how much I saved by doing it myself...Volvo couldn’t fit it in for a couple of weeks. I thought I should do them sooner as they started to sound like metal on metal (from two days ago...so not that long)... glad I did...whilst 3 of the 4 pads still had 2mm on them, the right inner had just broken through to metal!




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      I did the front pads today.
      Easy enough. Strange that different bolt types are used from the rear callipers. I needed a 12mm hex drive whereas the rears required a T45 torx
      As it turned out, whilst only 2-3mm on most of the rears, the fronts still had a good 5-6mm and the wear indicator has 1mm to go


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      Quote Originally Posted by brett_xc90 View Post
      I did the front pads today.
      Easy enough. Strange that different bolt types are used from the rear callipers. I needed a 12mm hex drive whereas the rears required a T45 torx
      As it turned out, whilst only 2-3mm on most of the rears, the fronts still had a good 5-6mm and the wear indicator has 1mm to go


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      1) The only torx on the front and rear brakes is the one holding the rotor to the hub. There is not anymore.
      2) Volvo does not have wear indicators.
      3)Front caliper slide bolts are 11mm
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      Quote Originally Posted by gunshow View Post
      1) The only torx on the front and rear brakes is the one holding the rotor to the hub. There is not anymore.
      2) Volvo does not have wear indicators.
      3)Front caliper slide bolts are 11mm
      It may be a different setup in Australia...
      Jus sayin


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      Quote Originally Posted by brett_xc90 View Post
      It may be a different setup in Australia...
      Jus sayin


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      I've been there and I do not recall any differences that were listed and it would cost Volvo too much money to switch from hex to torx. While torx can/will work in a hex, its not proper and could damage bolts.
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      Brake wear indicators are the Ocular type ie ...groove in centre of pads to aid visual inspection. When the groove goes..replace the pads


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      My car must be special then


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      Quote Originally Posted by brett_xc90 View Post
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      I'd love a picture if you get a chance. I like tracking differences and while I did not see it in person, it surely could have changed at any point without notice despite my idea that it would cost Volvo too much money to do something like that.
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      Quote Originally Posted by gunshow View Post
      I'd love a picture if you get a chance. I like tracking differences and while I did not see it in person, it surely could have changed at any point without notice despite my idea that it would cost Volvo too much money to do something like that.
      That’ll require me to drive to my secret location where the earth is flat, jack the car up (and down...twice), take the wheels off, take the bolts out...I’ll do that in another 30000kms. No sooner sorry. You’ll have to take my word for it in the mean time. Jacking the car up alone using the factory jack sucks dogs ball555...near on gave me a heart attack


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      Quote Originally Posted by gunshow View Post
      I'd love a picture if you get a chance. I like tracking differences and while I did not see it in person, it surely could have changed at any point without notice despite my idea that it would cost Volvo too much money to do something like that.
      TBH - you did get under my skin with your first response (before your edit)...and that put me in fight mode
      Any who - for your pleasure and my sanity...

      I crawled under the car today after putting into OFFROAD mode (still makes me laugh...off road....nup - it's not gonna happen )...which lifts the car up enough for my fat head to get under.
      The rear slide bolts are HEX head too...7mm! So a different size to the fronts. I tried an 8mm and 6mm Hex in there, and neither fit properly (too big/too small)
      I searched Torxs to Hex conversion and T45 is close to 7mm Hex - yet it fits beautifully/perfectly...so lucky I guess
      Why, Volvo? WHY?

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      Quote Originally Posted by brett_xc90 View Post
      TBH - you did get under my skin with your first response (before your edit)...and that put me in fight mode
      Any who - for your pleasure and my sanity...

      I crawled under the car today after putting into OFFROAD mode (still makes me laugh...off road....nup - it's not gonna happen )...which lifts the car up enough for my fat head to get under.
      The rear slide bolts are HEX head too...7mm! So a different size to the fronts. I tried an 8mm and 6mm Hex in there, and neither fit properly (too big/too small)
      I searched Torxs to Hex conversion and T45 is close to 7mm Hex - yet it fits beautifully/perfectly...so lucky I guess
      Why, Volvo? WHY?
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      Yes. You were correct.


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      I haven't even reached 30,000 miles and I noticed today's while rotating the wheels that the rear brake pads are really low. I guess I need to shop for rears now. The fronts are still pretty good.

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      my dealer told me i have another 2K or less to go on rears, i have 32K on car now. Was quoted $$475 - will be doing this myself..
      So I need 5 and 7mm HEX? Did you use any brake/caliper grease? My Mercedes brake pads came with it, volvo OEM pads didnt - got them from volvoparts store for $70 shipped

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      Yes. I used grease that came with the front pads. A wipe on the back plates and dobs on the end contact points


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      Thank you! i will do mine tomorrow

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      you cannot properly do the rears without VIDA.
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      Quote Originally Posted by inteller View Post
      you cannot properly do the rears without VIDA.
      Why?


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      because you have to put the parking brake into service mode.


      now someone is going to reply that you can just take it apart, but that is not the proper way and you risk getting it out of sync.
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      What is the exact effect when putting the park brake in service mode? Ie. does it simply disengage the park brake?


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      Quote Originally Posted by brett_xc90 View Post
      What is the exact effect when putting the park brake in service mode? Ie. does it simply disengage the park brake?


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      it winds back the brake and parks the motor in a known position. the PBM knows the limits of the motor when it opens and closes. Manually winding it back will get it out of sync.
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      Ok. Thanks for this


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      Quote Originally Posted by inteller View Post
      it winds back the brake and parks the motor in a known position. the PBM knows the limits of the motor when it opens and closes. Manually winding it back will get it out of sync.
      What about this approach:
      - Turn car 'on'
      - Turn parking brake 'off'
      - Transmission in 'neutral'

      Then the brake should no longer be engaged. Swap out the parts.
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      Brake off may not retract the motor enough to make room for new pads.
      I remember seeing a video where a procedure was applied after pads were replaced
      with the brake motor fully retracted (powered by a 9V battery I think).
      It was something like brake on/off 3 times. Youtube may be your friend.
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      Quote Originally Posted by stick_shift View Post
      What about this approach:
      - Turn car 'on'
      - Turn parking brake 'off'
      - Transmission in 'neutral'

      Then the brake should no longer be engaged. Swap out the parts.
      What about this approach:

      Write and call your government officials to ban proprietary systems manufacturers use to lock you out of working on your car properly.

      You should not have to spend $76 for a 3 day copy of VIDA (and the cost of a DICE unit) just to change your brakes -properly-.

      Volvo should be forced to offer a 'lite' version of VIDA for a one time cost and a cheap official tool that can put the car into these various service modes for DIYs. Yes I said 'forced' and I'm not a big fan of government regulation, but the industry has shown it is not willing to regulate itself.
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      Quote Originally Posted by inteller View Post
      What about this approach:

      Write and call your government officials to ban proprietary systems manufacturers use to lock you out of working on your car properly.

      You should not have to spend $76 for a 3 day copy of VIDA (and the cost of a DICE unit) just to change your brakes -properly-.

      Volvo should be forced to offer a 'lite' version of VIDA for a one time cost and a cheap official tool that can put the car into these various service modes for DIYs. Yes I said 'forced' and I'm not a big fan of government regulation, but the industry has shown it is not willing to regulate itself.
      +1. To make it a little simpler, add options next to the windshield wiper service position for things like resetting the service required reminder(for oil changes) and another for the e-brake.
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      Quote Originally Posted by inteller View Post
      What about this approach:

      Write and call your government officials to ban proprietary systems manufacturers use to lock you out of working on your car properly.

      You should not have to spend $76 for a 3 day copy of VIDA (and the cost of a DICE unit) just to change your brakes -properly-.

      Volvo should be forced to offer a 'lite' version of VIDA for a one time cost and a cheap official tool that can put the car into these various service modes for DIYs. Yes I said 'forced' and I'm not a big fan of government regulation, but the industry has shown it is not willing to regulate itself.
      Can anyone confirm or deny that other manufacturers which claim to have support for EPB (Autel, iCarSoft) can put parking brake in service mode?
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      changed mine under an hour without any problems. i can confirm the bolts are hex 7mm and more like 4.5 for the epb, not 5mm. There will require to top motor cover to be lifted a bit.

      Also i applied grease to metal touch points but not to the back of the pads, they already have some backing and no factory grease was there. Also, had to redo one side cause i forgot to remove white backing from one pad.
      Other then that - no issues.

      About the motor itself - "PBM knows the limits of the motor when it opens and closes" is not true. This is the load sensing unit, if it goes to the limit, it will stop. if brakes will wear, it will sense the load while moving further then with the new pads and stop. So the only thing you have to worry about is to unwind it by hand and not use any tools,
      you cant break anythign if you will do it this way.

      PS pads were not that bad with the line still somewhat visible, at 32K. so the dealer was about right when he said i have about 2k left

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      As indicated, you can change them without VIDA. There is no position sensor for the parking brake motors.

      Manufacturers are allowed to have proprietary equipment as long as they make them available, which Volvo does.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      As indicated, you can change them without VIDA. There is no position sensor for the parking brake motors.

      Manufacturers are allowed to have proprietary equipment as long as they make them available, which Volvo does.
      are you referring to all PBMs or just SPAs because I know I've done it on a P3 manually and the motor just kept opening and closing after install. Finally had to hook it up to VIDA and put it in service mode then take it out. I've never taken the chance ever since.


      and you are right that manufacturers can have proprietary systems if they make it available, but the barriers to entry are too high for DIYs.
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