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      Good discussion here. I am on the 'follow the factory guidelines' path in general. I'd like to get an opinion and I am also going to run this by the dealership. I bought a 2017 S90 T5 Momentum used. The vehicle had 11,300 miles on it when I purchased it. The original owner had the 10K service performed at 7500 miles by a local dealership here in Raleigh, NC. I have a copy of the service order because it was in the dash at purchase. The car now has 17,500 miles on it and the service indicator light is on (as expected). I'd love to get back onto the '10K/20K/30K' schedule so I am thinking about letting this run until 18,500 miles, then adding another 1000 miles at the 28,500 interval (doing the work at 29,500) then getting back onto the normal demarcations at 40K.

      Like @stick_shift, I plan on having UOA performed and I also use Blackstone labs for UOA on my 2016 GMC Canyon (Duramax Diesel engine). Not because I feel that I 'have to' but more for my own curiosity! BTW @stick_shift - my Canyon had exactly what they talk about with new vehicles showing up higher than normal metal content due to break in wear. It settled out for oil changes 2 & 3 and now after #4 is pretty low. Interval on the Canyon is calculated via driver info computer (% Oil Life) but in general is 7500 miles or so for the way I drive it.

      So - the question here is, "How 'risky' is it, if at all, to slightly extend the service interval (adding another 10% to it)?" I am confident that Volvo has some variability built in, but not sure how much. Plus there is an issue re: extended warranty (I have a 6 year, 100K mile Volvo VIP Platinum Warranty) that requires service 'according to manufacturer recommended intervals'. All this being said, I am pretty comfortable with tacking another 900 - 1000 miles onto the window, but wondering what you guys (and girls?) thoughts may be in this area?

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      Quote Originally Posted by RandyNC View Post
      Good discussion here. I am on the 'follow the factory guidelines' path in general. I'd like to get an opinion and I am also going to run this by the dealership. I bought a 2017 S90 T5 Momentum used. The vehicle had 11,300 miles on it when I purchased it. The original owner had the 10K service performed at 7500 miles by a local dealership here in Raleigh, NC. I have a copy of the service order because it was in the dash at purchase. The car now has 17,500 miles on it and the service indicator light is on (as expected). I'd love to get back onto the '10K/20K/30K' schedule so I am thinking about letting this run until 18,500 miles, then adding another 1000 miles at the 28,500 interval (doing the work at 29,500) then getting back onto the normal demarcations at 40K.

      Like @stick_shift, I plan on having UOA performed and I also use Blackstone labs for UOA on my 2016 GMC Canyon (Duramax Diesel engine). Not because I feel that I 'have to' but more for my own curiosity! BTW @stick_shift - my Canyon had exactly what they talk about with new vehicles showing up higher than normal metal content due to break in wear. It settled out for oil changes 2 & 3 and now after #4 is pretty low. Interval on the Canyon is calculated via driver info computer (% Oil Life) but in general is 7500 miles or so for the way I drive it.

      So - the question here is, "How 'risky' is it, if at all, to slightly extend the service interval (adding another 10% to it)?" I am confident that Volvo has some variability built in, but not sure how much. Plus there is an issue re: extended warranty (I have a 6 year, 100K mile Volvo VIP Platinum Warranty) that requires service 'according to manufacturer recommended intervals'. All this being said, I am pretty comfortable with tacking another 900 - 1000 miles onto the window, but wondering what you guys (and girls?) thoughts may be in this area?
      If I remember correctly, I read it somewhere Volvo (or maybe an individual dealership) will service your Vehicle at 1 to 1.5k miles variation to the 10k, 20k and 30k. So basically 18.5k to 21.5k miles for the 20k miles service and they will service it. You should probably confirm this with your Dealership. It would work nicely in your case if you do a 18.5k service and then a final free one at 29-29.5k.

      As for how risky it is, it really depends on your daily drive. City or Freeway. I have a pure freeway drive for 90-95% of my Odometer reading and I'm sure my Oil is in a much better condition that one who has the same exact miles as me but on city driving. Only you can answer your own question.
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      I changed my own oil at around 3000 miles. I was the first consumer purchaser of the vehicle. I just wanted to do it so I could see how things were put together. Also the car had been manufactured over a year ago, so I did not feel that it was a bad thing to do. I have now put another 4000 miles on the car. The other day I pulled the air cleaner and was pleasantly surprised in how clean it looked. No shadows of dirt, nothing to shake out. So that tells me that the car has not been operating in really dusty areas. All the air that enters the engine comes in via the air cleaner. Other than combustion gases and the impurities that are created via that process, the oil should be in pretty good condition. The oils used today are really engineered for their specific applications. I bet the 2 liter 4 cylinder engine that Volvo uses will easily return 200,000 to 300,000 miles without any problems. I wonder who out there has the highest mileage on their vehicle? I will start a post to see.
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      Quote Originally Posted by stick_shift View Post
      As promised, here is the UOA. It seems to be well worth it to change it out at 5k or even earlier, especially if you're committed to long term ownership. (Those leasing probably don't care...)

      Stick shift, thanks for posting that. Here is mine. Note that the dealer changed the oil as per Volvo at 10k mile intervals. They forgot to get an oil sampling for me the first two times. But here is the third. It's bothersome to me. First, Blackstone measured the oil to be 5W-20. The dealer wrote Castrol Edge 5W-30. It's no biggie, but for once I'd love for dealers to get this right. Secondly, how do I know if they actually changed the oil? Since I have a lift, I will eventually look under there. I am almost certain that there will be screws missing... <sigh>



      So has anyone else done these oil analysis? It doesn't look like this engine is made for the long haul. So this Volvo engine is both a turbo and supercharged engine + auto start/stop functionality - it's begging to break down. My goal is to catch it before it breaks down outside of warranty. I had a similar issue with a previous car. Upon further research that previous car's engine was prone to piston failure around 150k miles. It didn't stick around with us for us to find out...we traded it in around 40k miles.

      So for those that don't believe the $25 or so cost of an oil analysis is not worth it, this is what an oil analysis led me to find in one of my previous cars. A freakin bolt backed out from INSIDE the engine and was sitting in the oil pan! Granted, this was at around 250k miles. Luckily, further inspection revealed nothing wrong with the engine. The engine was perfect otherwise with the compression being within 4% of each cylinder if my memory serves me correctly!



      It came out of that hole right above the chain.

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      Torque Specs

      The oil drain plug torque is 38. Nt-m (28. Lb-ft), the oil filter housing is 25 Nt-m (18.4 lb-ft.) and the oil filter plug is 4 Nt-m (3. Lb-ft)
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      Correct Oil Capacity

      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      I've been putting 6.2 quarts in Drive-E engines since they came out and can tell you that is how much they take.
      I know this is an old post but according to Amsoil website, the correct amount of oil including filter is 5.9 Quarts.
      https://www.amsoil.com/lookup/auto-a...rbo/us-volume/

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      Quote Originally Posted by speedalot View Post
      I know this is an old post but according to Amsoil website, the correct amount of oil including filter is 5.9 Quarts.
      https://www.amsoil.com/lookup/auto-a...rbo/us-volume/
      They may have made a typo.
      6.2 Quarts is 5.9 Litres

      This is the same error that brought down an early airbus, BTW


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      Quote Originally Posted by speedalot View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      I've been putting 6.2 quarts in Drive-E engines since they came out and can tell you that is how much they take.
      I know this is an old post but according to Amsoil website, the correct amount of oil including filter is 5.9 Quarts.
      https://www.amsoil.com/lookup/auto-a...rbo/us-volume/
      I realize this is old and the poster clearly just signed up for this one post. But I don't get my specs from aftermarket websites.

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      Well done stick_shift!! Nice post! Thanks!

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      Thanks for this post, made the oil change so much easier!
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      Super helpful, right down to the proper filter wrench which I could not find anywhere and Amazon had here with free one day delivery.

      One question - when refilling the oil that opening on top of the engine doesn't accept oil very fast without overflowing, a real pain in the neck. It's got some sort of a sieve in there. Any way to speed that up? I had to dribble it in slowly.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mvgossman View Post
      Super helpful, right down to the proper filter wrench which I could not find anywhere and Amazon had here with free one day delivery.

      One question - when refilling the oil that opening on top of the engine doesn't accept oil very fast without overflowing, a real pain in the neck. It's got some sort of a sieve in there. Any way to speed that up? I had to dribble it in slowly.

      Mitch
      Ive noticed the same painfull slow bubbling overflowing pour on my 2019 XC90. No issue with my 2016 XC90.

      Hoping someone has a fix


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      Remove the engine cover and disconnect the breather hose from the oil trap on top of the engine.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Remove the engine cover and disconnect the breather hose from the oil trap on top of the engine.
      Thank you. I will be sure to disconnect the breather hose next time. I had the engine cover off to see wth was going on. Thanks


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      I enjoy changing oil.


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      Those free scheduled oil changes turned out to be a fantastic deal. Quality work right there.

      I should probably replace the drain plug while I'm down here.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Row57 View Post
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      Those free scheduled oil changes turned out to be a fantastic deal. Quality work right there.

      I should probably replace the drain plug while I'm down here.
      Make sure you don't have a leak that has nothing to do with the oil change. Like cam pulley plugs which crack.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Make sure you don't have a leak that has nothing to do with the oil change. Like cam pulley plugs which crack.
      Thanks for the tip. It's been cleaned and I'll take a look again in a couple of days. I was thinking that it's from a spill when pouring oil in but that's definitely used oil. I haven't noticed any oil drips on the ground and the oil level sensor keeps reporting the same amount. I did only fill 6 quarts instead of 6.2 and it's still at the full mark so that's an odd one too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Row57 View Post
      Thanks for the tip. It's been cleaned and I'll take a look again in a couple of days. I was thinking that it's from a spill when pouring oil in but that's definitely used oil. I haven't noticed any oil drips on the ground and the oil level sensor keeps reporting the same amount. I did only fill 6 quarts instead of 6.2 and it's still at the full mark so that's an odd one too.
      Took off the engine cover and more or less confirmed that it was an sloppy fill up. It's in every corner and it'll be a pain to clean. I'll still take a look underneath to see if there are additional leaks as it's a 2016 built just before the summer holidays.


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      So it doesn't look like there's any need for the special oil wrench?

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      Quote Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
      So it doesn't look like there's any need for the special oil wrench?
      Not if you don't want to change the filter.

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      Great thread on the XC90 oil change.

      Does this Penzoil meet the A5/B5 spec?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Make sure you don't have a leak that has nothing to do with the oil change. Like cam pulley plugs which crack.
      Do you have more information on the cam pulley plug issue like a TJ or anything along those lines? Last oil change showed more oil coating the bottom and I certainly didn't spill it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Row57 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Make sure you don't have a leak that has nothing to do with the oil change. Like cam pulley plugs which crack.
      Do you have more information on the cam pulley plug issue like a TJ or anything along those lines? Last oil change showed more oil coating the bottom and I certainly didn't spill it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
      So it doesn't look like there's any need for the special oil wrench?
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      Not if you don't want to change the filter.
      Confirmed... Good thing Amazon delivers the 86mm cartridge wrench next day. Also, THIS IS THE MESSIEST OIL CHANGE I HAVE EVER DONE. The oil shoots out horizontally, made a complete mess and screwed up my new white shirt... yes, I know... what the hell was I doing changing the oil while wearing a white shirt. Now the wife is put to the task to see if she can get the oil out. I had gotten good at changing the oil with elbow length gloves that I barely have a drop of oil anywhere. This was a complete surprise especially when the oil splashes up against some suspension components like in post #88.

      Anyway, I collected the oil and am now awaiting the 86 mm wrench. I will be sending my oil to Blackstone Labs to see how the engine is doing.

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      Completed the messiest oil change ever. Again, note that the oil shoots out "vs pour out" of the oil pan. More oil comes out of the oil cartridge housing.

      Special thanks to stick_shift for doing this thread with pics.

      Very sarcastic thanks to the past 3 free oil change dealer techs (could be the same dealer techs) who seemingly used an impact wrench to over tighten the oil filter cartridge housing vs doing the 25 Nm that is written on the freakin cannister! And also a very special thanks for not putting these 2 clips back which cost over $4 EACH. You have once again reconfirmed why I should never go to the dealer to get any of my cars worked on. I.e. - If you can't even do an oil change properly, how can I trust you for anything else?
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      Quote Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
      Confirmed... Good thing Amazon delivers the 86mm cartridge wrench next day. Also, THIS IS THE MESSIEST OIL CHANGE I HAVE EVER DONE. The oil shoots out horizontally, made a complete mess and screwed up my new white shirt... yes, I know... what the hell was I doing changing the oil while wearing a white shirt. Now the wife is put to the task to see if she can get the oil out. I had gotten good at changing the oil with elbow length gloves that I barely have a drop of oil anywhere. This was a complete surprise especially when the oil splashes up against some suspension components like in post #88.

      Anyway, I collected the oil and am now awaiting the 86 mm wrench. I will be sending my oil to Blackstone Labs to see how the engine is doing.
      Might be time for a Fumoto valve with the nipple so you can attach a hose to direct the oil down and out.
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      Calm down. Those clips break all the time. The 10 screws are more than enough.

      And if you're doing it on your back, the filter can seem tight because you aren't going to get the best leverage to remove it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Calm down. Those clips break all the time. The 10 screws are more than enough.

      And if you're doing it on your back, the filter can seem tight because you aren't going to get the best leverage to remove it.
      That's true.... the clips break. But they should have replaced them. Volvo put it there for a reason. Also, I have a lift...it was TIGHT and well beyond the 25NM spec.

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      Quote Originally Posted by theclutch View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Calm down. Those clips break all the time. The 10 screws are more than enough.

      And if you're doing it on your back, the filter can seem tight because you aren't going to get the best leverage to remove it.
      That's true.... the clips break. But they should have replaced them. Volvo put it there for a reason. Also, I have a lift...it was TIGHT and well beyond the 25NM spec.
      People coming in for a free service aren't going to want to pay for a couple clips when they break. 10 screws will hold it just fine.

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      Here's my latest Blackstone Labs report.
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      Thanks for all the info! I just did ours a few minutes ago. Much easier than I was thinking it would be. My only issue was the force that the hot oil comes out of the drain with! Glad I put down some cardboard I might end up putting a Fumoto drain valve on here next time. It sure makes it easy on my Silverado to drain the oil.

      Thanks again to the OP! Couldn’t have done it without this!
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      Quote Originally Posted by BriDroid View Post
      Thanks for all the info! I just did ours a few minutes ago. Much easier than I was thinking it would be. My only issue was the force that the hot oil comes out of the drain with! Glad I put down some cardboard I might end up putting a Fumoto drain valve on here next time. It sure makes it easy on my Silverado to drain the oil.

      Thanks again to the OP! Couldn’t have done it without this!
      Same here. Wifey's XC90 is due for the final (free) dealer oil change, after that I'm installing a Fumoto.
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