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      Brakes on S90

      I got the brakes replaced at 18000 miles and i was told i would need new brakes at 30000?
      And i was told it would cost me 1400? Is that correct?

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      Depends what you mean by "new brakes."

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      I think they want to replace rotors and brake pads may be?
      Did anyone try just replacing brake pads?

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      Some people advocate just replacing the brake pads--it's called pad-slapping in the business, which should give you an idea of how it's regarded--and others say at least resurface the rotors. And others feel that as long as you're removing the rotors anyway and are going to go to the effort of turning them down, why not just go ahead and replace them. Of course if the rotors are in any way damaged, say by letting the pads wear down too much and getting metal-to-metal contact with the rotors, you have to replace the rotors.

      As for your mileage upon brake-pad replacement, that depends on how you drive, how you use the brakes. I would expect to get about 30,000 miles out of a set of brake pads, based on how conservatively I now drive.

      $1,400 for pads, rotors and labor at a dealership? Sounds about right, but I have yet to have brakework done on our V90, so I'm just guessing at the price.

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      There's been a couple of threads here about the S90 eating through brake rotors rather quickly.

      When I got mine with a CPO, at 9500 miles, it needed new rotors & pads to pass the certification. Nearly every CPO'd S90 I saw between 10-20K miles had them replaced.
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      Got me curious...

      Here are the prices for genuine volvo rotors and pads from tascaparts

      Front rotors: $187.60
      Front pads: 164.78
      Rear rotors: 161.84
      Rear pads: 143.60

      Total: 657.82

      If you were to just resurface the rotors, I'm not sure what that would cost you. Apparently if you walk into a shop with the rotors in hand it might be 10-20$ a rotor to resurface. Anyone done that?
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      Soft rotors, abrasive pads make for a bad combo. Our previous V60 and XC60 blasted through rotors and pads at a similar rate as your car. Once I put aftermarket rotors and pads on the V60, no issues. Btw, our new V90CC already feels like the front rotors are warped or at least are glazed, at 5K miles.
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      What do you recommend for aftermarket pads and rotors for a V90?

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      So can anyone suggest me if i will be fine if i just change brake pads as my rotors have only 12000 miles on them?
      Or do i need to go somewhere and get them resurfaced?Does anyone know any local shop in NE PA/ DE area?

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      Quote Originally Posted by porschie356 View Post
      What do you recommend for aftermarket pads and rotors for a V90?
      What about https://forums.swedespeed.com/showth...e-kit-for-XC90 ???
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      Quote Originally Posted by BenSweed View Post
      Got me curious...

      Here are the prices for genuine volvo rotors and pads from tascaparts

      Front rotors: $187.60
      Front pads: 164.78
      Rear rotors: 161.84
      Rear pads: 143.60

      Total: 657.82

      If you were to just resurface the rotors, I'm not sure what that would cost you. Apparently if you walk into a shop with the rotors in hand it might be 10-20$ a rotor to resurface. Anyone done that?
      I was just quoted around 600 for brake pads replacement

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      around 600 for brake pads replacement
      Sounds about right...$350 for the pads (maybe more at a dealership) plus labor at what? $140 an hour these days? Plus something for all the little things that always show up on an invoice ("EPA-approved brake-pad disposal $30...").

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      Quote Originally Posted by porschie356 View Post
      Sounds about right...$350 for the pads (maybe more at a dealership) plus labor at what? $140 an hour these days? Plus something for all the little things that always show up on an invoice ("EPA-approved brake-pad disposal $30...").
      I will keep you guys posted about what happens after "pad-slapping"

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      Quote Originally Posted by porschie356 View Post
      What do you recommend for aftermarket pads and rotors for a V90?
      I like Stoptech rotors with EBC Red Stuff pads.
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      My dealer replaced the rear pads only at 19k miles. Was $281.73 + tax. V90 CC, not S90.
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      Quote Originally Posted by matt1122 View Post
      My dealer replaced the rear pads only at 19k miles. Was $281.73 + tax. V90 CC, not S90.
      Hopefully i don't get new problems after just replacing the pads

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      I got my front rotors replaced for free at 12K due to vibration when braking, they mentioned there was a recall. I also had my rear pads changed at 30K

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      Quote Originally Posted by S90Flash View Post
      Hopefully i don't get new problems after just replacing the pads
      I have been "pad-slapping" on all my Volvo's since 1972. Never a problem
      I had our 18' V90CC in for the 1st 10K service. Brake pads were measured @ 90%. When it needs new pads I will "pad-slap".

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      This sounds eerily familiar to what happened with Infiniti before. Their first-run G35's were "under braked", i.e., the rotors were too small to be effective for the target stopping distance (around 110 feet from 60-0 mph), so their last second engineering change was to change to more aggressive pads in the middle of the production run.

      I think this can happen when there's some disconnect between the time engineering signs off on final design and production starts building them...only to discover too late that they've added 300 pounds somewhere and it stops like a shopping cart. Usually they'll issue new parts numbers (Honda and Toyota are both notorious for this) instead of sneaking in an upgrade with the existing part number.

      At that time, Inifiniti knew the issue was so widespread they extended the brake warranty past 30k because owners were burning them up at 10-15k which is ridiculous. Later they switched to a ceramic blend pad that was less noisy, added a few feet to the stopping distance, and quit eating the rotors.

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      I have a couple older XC90’s ‘10 & ‘06 but I have had great experience with ATE Standard rotors matched with ATE Ceramic brake pads. Great performance, no brake dust and last a long time. I used to be a fan of PBR pads but they are difficult to source. I have found ATE pads as good if not better. ATE has been and may still be an OEM supplier to VW, Audi, Volvo, Saab, BMW & Mercedes.

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      I have felt for a long time that the frequent and pricey "pads and rotors" thing was a revenue enhancer built-in to increase dealer service traffic, for some marques at least.

      In addition to a number of Volvos, we've owned and maintained an '08 Mercedes R320 CDI "crossover" wagon for nearly 10 years. For those unfamiliar with the R-class (discontinued in N. Am. now), it is a very large utility wagon with 3 very roomy rows. With any kind of load it weighs nearly 5000 lbs.. Our cars get a lot of stop & go in very hilly terrain, although our R-class (being a diesel) has also provided a lot of long road trips including across the US & back 3 times. This vehicle has 145,000 current miles on it and got its 3rd set of pads and rotors at a bit over 125,000 miles. Never a history of brake noise, pulsing or etc.. They've just worked.

      So it appears we're averaging nearly 65k mi./set of pads and rotors. Obviously, Mercedes isn't pursuing a strategy of increasing service traffic for it's dealers by choosing design and materials to produce a short service life for brake pads and rotors. (Mercedes dealers have a different strategy: they just charge extremely high rates for the parts and services they do provide! From early on I've used a very qualified indie Mercedes specialist for this car). If my hunch about that is correct, then replacing your Volvo pads and rotors the first time around with carefully chosen after-market materials, such as the ATE items already mentioned, might indeed be a good strategy.

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      I got my car back last night and so far seems good with only pads changed.
      600 was the total for front and rear pads

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      Needing front pads that early is unusual. Do you drive pretty hard?
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      All brands... cars that sit on a lot often have the brakes go bad and not too many shops resurface anymore so they just put new rotors and pads on. It's the bane of selling used cars. Years ago when I got in the business I was surprised by how often we had to replace brakes on cars after delivery, I've come to expect it on a certain percentage of cars. Pricing sounds right for dealer. I'll point out if your Volvo is eligible and you buy the pre-paid volvo maintenance for 100k with wear protection it comes with two brake services and is probably worth looking into (you could even buy it the day of the service).

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      Just sent the car in at 14000 miles due to the air conditioner malfunctioning and a myriad of other problems and was told that the brake pads were left with less than 3mm. Was charged around $500 for pad replacements as well as $22 for a 75ml of brake grease (gold lined I presume). For a normal usage car, this has to be the shortest lasting pad I have ever encountered.


      Quote Originally Posted by porschie356 View Post
      What do you recommend for aftermarket pads and rotors for a V90?
      I will probably wait for Stoptech cryo slotted replacement rotors to hit the market and pair them with Carbotech 1521 ceramic pads (I use the rest of their racier stuff on my track and performance cars). Or if stoptech has their 309 pads I would use them too. Great stuff, workable on light track duties, B roads and they probably cost half of what the original costs while lasting longer. Only issue I have is how to release the EPB for the rear caliper to change the rotor and pad as my dealer will not change anything aftermarket.

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      Just had this last week from dealer on my 2017 S90. Same symptoms - pulsing when slowing down from anything > 30 or 40 MPH. Dealer indicated 'typical problem' for these cars:


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      I have a 2018 V90 and at 10,000 miles, I had to have all four pads AND rotors replaced as they were warped. The car literally only is used on the highway for long distance drives between Manhattan and Michigan 6 times a year - I would guess less than 10 % city driving. Amazing poor brake life, but I would say good braking performance. Am hoping the replacements (done under warranty) are of better quality than originally installed.

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      I can’t believe Volvo hasn’t come up with a solution for this issue. I must have had my rotors/pads changed on my SPA XC90 at least 2 times in the 51,000miles I owned it for (all covered under warranty). I did have to change the rear pads myself, twice, due to wear. Got the pads from viva performance shipped to my door for under $100.00.

      I drive with ACC/Pilot Assist pretty much 99% of the time, and the car uses the rear brakes mostly for slowing/stopping while using those two features. That explains my rear pad wear. My 2016 V60 with ACC needed rear pads sooner than expected too. But, the front rotors warping as much as they did on the XC90? Come on...figure it out Volvo. Please!

      On the other hand, I have 13,500miles on my 2018 XC60, the brakes holding up just fine. Maybe due to being a smaller, lighter vehicle?
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      I drive with ACC/Pilot Assist pretty much 99% of the time, and the car uses the rear brakes mostly for slowing/stopping while using those two features. That explains my rear pad wear.
      I have used ACC/Pilot Assist for maybe 100 of the 11,000 miles that our 2018 V90 T6 has done, and my rear pads are already down to about 3 mm (replacement time). So I doubt that your assessment explains rear-pad wear.

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      When my 18' V90CC was serviced for the first 10K the dealer measured the pads with 90% remaining.
      I don't use ACC/Pilot Assist.
      I do down shift the transmission a lot and therefore on the brakes very little.
      I also maintain a large distance with the car in front of me and therefore do not brake every time they brake. (amazing when I watch other people, on the brakes a lot)
      Did I mention I downshift a lot?

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      I do down shift the transmission a lot and therefore on the brakes very little.
      Transmissions are a lot more expensive than brakes, and I'm çertainly not the first person to point this out in the endless downshift-or-brake argument.

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      Quote Originally Posted by porschie356 View Post
      Transmissions are a lot more expensive than brakes, and I'm çertainly not the first person to point this out in the endless downshift-or-brake argument.
      Oh well.
      I should mention my wife drives the car 95% of the time and she doesn't downshift. I guess she's doing something right.

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      Coming from a generation where "riding the brakes" was a big no-no, I downshift a lot. My justification--most specifically for my leased MB--is that worn brake pads and rotors are not covered under warranty but transmissions are. Volvo warranty different??

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      Just had the 20K service on a 2017 S90, was told pads needed to be replaced. Dealer wanted 7 something for the job. Said yes, then was told it would take another 2 hours to get completed, needed to leave so i said I will return. Now as i think about it, it seems extremely excessive in price, not sure I will replace my self, or have a different dealer, or non-dealer replace.

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      $700 for rear rotors and pads sounds about right from a dealer.
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