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      Some numbers on the new all-electric cars, and it looks like the Polestar 2 is in the lead insofar as range and charging capability is concerned.

      Polestar 2 .... 275 miles EPA .....310 miles WLTP .... 150 kW charging

      Audi Etron ... 204 miles EPA .....248 miles WLTP .... 150 kW charging

      Jag I Pace .... 234 miles EPA ....292 miles WLTP .... 100 kW charging

      Merc EQC ..... 220 miles EPA ....293 miles WLTP .... 110 kW charging

      Kia Niro ....... 227 miles EPA ....283 miles WLTP .... 100 kW charging

      Interestingly, the new 2020 Chevy Bolt will have a EPA range of 259 miles, but I think it's charging will still be 50 kW.

      So it seems the Polestar 2 and the Chevy Bolt are the only BEVs that will have "Tesla-like" range.

      Ooops, I forgot the Rivian R1S and R1T with a max range of 400 miles, and 150 kW charging.

      And the VW ID3 with 341 miles WLTP, maybe about 300mile EPA, with 125 kW charging.
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      There is a report says in a survey, people in general expect $70k EV offers 400-500mile range, and $35k 250-300 miles.

      Way to go for EV XC90....

      https://electrek.co/2019/08/20/surve...rice-charging/

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      Good article. I think if dealers could just get buttes in seats, then people would show more interest. Use them as loaners, or just have them prominently displayed, and pushed. When you get people to drive one, they immediately show interest and start asking questions. But that means the salesmen and the dealerships need to be educated too.
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      Tease about the all-electric XC40. Mostly about safety on an all-electric car, but a promise the full reveal will be Oct 16th. I can't wait. It's on my calendar. Pretty much on-time, unlike Tesla.

      https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...st-on-the-road

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      Price will be interesting. First year Polestar 2 top trim will be around $60k. XC40 would be similar price first year I think. Maybe lower trim around $40-50k a year later.

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      More info and some platform images
      https://teknikensvarld.se/volvo-xc40...en-om-elbilen/

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      Quote Originally Posted by FusionRedXC60 View Post
      Price will be interesting. First year Polestar 2 top trim will be around $60k. XC40 would be similar price first year I think. Maybe lower trim around $40-50k a year later.

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      From all the evidence I've seen (including what Lex Kerssemakers said about the first all-electric Volvo -- i.e. needed to be at least 250 miles range and $35,000-$40,000), you're probably correct. First edition about $50,000 and second edition $40,000. That's the pattern for Polestar 2 and Teslas as well. And think there's a possibility that the range will be longer than 250 miles, since Kerssemakers said that 2 years ago.
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      all-electric Volvo-XC40 diagram.jpg

      Two electric motors, charging port driver's side in the rear. and probably no frunk. With 2 electric motors, shall we deduce at least 300 HP? Maybe 400 HP?
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      30 litre frunk...

      8 colors are offered. Looks like they aim to sell in big volume.

      Brand new driver interface... Is it only the DIM, or new Android Sensus?

      https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...more-with-less

      Fully electric Volvo XC40 SUV heralds new electric future and does more with less
      Oct 02, 2019 ID: 258472

      Sometimes less really is more: the forthcoming battery-powered Volvo XC40 SUV, Volvo Cars’ first fully electric car, proves that Volvo cars can be made better by taking certain things away.



      The advance of electric cars constitutes the biggest change in the history of the automobile. For the first time in over a century, cars move without a petrol or diesel engine in the engine bay and have a battery in the floor, changing the car at its core.



      It also means cars no longer need tailpipes or a large grille for cooling purposes, while the removal of an internal combustion engine creates extra room for even more storage space under the front hood.



      At the same time the fully electric XC40 retains all the features that have made it one of Volvo Cars’ best-selling models. It also embraces the elegant, Scandinavian design language that has defined Volvo’s rebirth and combines good looks with utility and functionality.



      “The roots of Scandinavian design are based on visual clarity and the reduction of element. The XC40 is a great example of this,” said Robin Page, head of design at Volvo Cars. “Its bold, instantly recognisable design is now even sleeker and more modern in the all-electric version. Without the need for a grille we have created an even cleaner and more modern face, while the lack of tailpipes does the same at the rear. This is the approach we will explore more and more as we continue down the road of electrification.”



      A unique, covered front grille in body colour creates a distinct visual identity at the front of the car, made possible by the fact that an electric car needs less air flow for cooling purposes. The grille also neatly packages the sensors for the new Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) sensor platform.



      Eight exterior colours, including a brand new Sage Green metallic option, allow drivers to personalise their electric XC40, while a contrasting black roof comes as standard. Two new 19” and 20” wheel options provide further opportunity for personalisation.



      Inside, a brand new driver interface specifically designed for electric cars keeps drivers up to date on relevant information such as battery status, while the interior design package features sporty styling details as well as carpets made of recycled materials.



      The battery-powered XC40, first previewed in the electric 40.1 Concept vehicle of 2016, is also an example of smart Volvo engineering. Based on Volvo’s Compact Modular Architecture (CMA), which was designed from the outset with electrification in mind, the battery pack is integrated into the floor of the car without affecting interior space.



      This means the wealth of suitable and functional storage space around the cabin remains in place as one of the major attractions of the XC40. An ingenious and radical new approach to interior design provides XC40 drivers with, among other things, more functional storage space in the doors and under the seats, a fold-out hook for small bags and a removable waste bin in the tunnel console.



      Unique to the electric XC40, a special front load compartment (or ‘frunk’) located under the front hood provides around 30 litres of extra load space because an electric motor takes less space than a combustion engine.



      Volvo Cars will reveal more details about the fully electric XC40 in the coming weeks, before it will be first shown to the public on October 16.
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      Glad to see the XC40 will have a frunc. Their first diagrams still seem to make this seem unlikely, but it's fun to speculate anyway.

      Cool short video by Volvo;




      https://www.media.volvocars.com/glob...o-xc40-suv-dim
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      Funny that the cluster shows a "low oil" icon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dalsim007 View Post
      Funny that the cluster shows a "low oil" icon.
      Good catch! 😂
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      And a check engine light as well.

      Seems the warning cluster is still a work in progress.
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      Frunc XC40.jpg

      Seems like I was completely wrong about the frunk on the XC40. I'm very happy about that.
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      XC40 EV got Android Sensus UI, announced today.

      And also map data to support speed limit, curve handling in Pilot Assist.

      Well done!

      https://forums.swedespeed.com/showth...roid-Sensus-UI



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      Super excited about both polestar 2 and xc40 electric and can't wait for next weeks xc40 details and specs. I would prefer xc40 if similar spec to polestar 2 as cars appear very similar in terms of tech/range/etc. Polestar have gone for the 'include all options' in the single model launch edition and i suspect volvo will have a few more models. Timing is perfect for me in UK as i need to order around next summer so may even put down a deposit if there are some decent incentives..

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      Quote Originally Posted by haf63 View Post
      Super excited about both polestar 2 and xc40 electric and can't wait for next weeks xc40 details and specs. I would prefer xc40 if similar spec to polestar 2 as cars appear very similar in terms of tech/range/etc. Polestar have gone for the 'include all options' in the single model launch edition and i suspect volvo will have a few more models. Timing is perfect for me in UK as i need to order around next summer so may even put down a deposit if there are some decent incentives..
      I'm hoping that the computers, or the batteries, or the electric motors will have been tweeked a little to give the XC40 the same range as the Polestar 2. We'll see.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Tostik View Post
      I'm hoping that the computers, or the batteries, or the electric motors will have been tweeked a little to give the XC40 the same range as the Polestar 2. We'll see.
      Or cap it at 60mph max,

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      Quote Originally Posted by FusionRedXC60 View Post
      Or cap it at 60mph max,

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      That would do it.

      The range numbers on the BEF XC40 look a little disappointing from what can be gleaned from this morning's presentation, but I'll give Volvo a chance to clarify what the range actually is on the EPA and WLTP scales before I try to make a serious comment.
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      408 HP - Good

      150 kW charging - Good

      Range 250 miles WLTP - not so good

      The distance driven in it's hybrids in all-electric mode is 41% - very good
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      I would be happy with anything above 200miles in real-world mode

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      This website has the XC40 P8 Recharge's WLTP range at 425 km (264 miles) and a "real world range" at 375 km (232 miles). I don't know if they have inside information, or if they're just making educated guesses as bad as mine are. I've learned from watching Bjørn Nyland videos that you can get WLTP range on the highway if you drive at 55 mph.

      https://ev-database.org/car/1188/Vol...e#charge-table

      They also have the Model Y Long Range Dual-Motor's real world range at 425 km (264 miles), or just 32 miles range longer than the XC40. I think the XC40 will compete well against the Model Y, especially in Europe.

      https://ev-database.org/car/1182/Tes...nge-Dual-Motor
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      Supporting the info I found in my post above from EVDatabase, the Volvo USA website has the specs out for the XC40 Recharge. It says >400 kms WLTP range, and >200 miles EPA range, indicating that the 400 km and 200 miles were estimates and the actual range will likely be higher. So that supports the EVDatabase numbers of 425 kms (264 miles) WLTP and a "real range", dare I say the EPA range of 232 miles (375 kms). Here's the link for the XC40's specs;

      https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/e...specifications
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      I would settle for 230-ish real world miles. If only volvo would tell us the uk price and spec then it would be decision time...

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      I guess the main things to speculate about, now, is price and delivery date. I jumped on the $1K pre-order for the XC40 Recharge the first day. Immediately got a receipt and statement that "in the future", I would be asked to designate my delivering dealer. That hasn't happened, yet; so I'll speculate. Recent news is that pre-production of the Polestar 2 has begun at the China Plant with a target of US deliveries in June--earlier than anyone expected. It appears that both the USA price and actual delivery is up in the air, at the moment, because of the portending extra Trump Tariffs on China imports. The China plant will build both the Polestar 2 and the XC40 Recharge, as they share the drivetrain. XC40 Recharge is also set to be built in the Ghent, Belgium Plant. In a perfectly rational World, the West Coast would get China production and everywhere East of the Rockies would get Belgium production. But, we don't live in a rational World, do we? Does the Polestar 2 production status say anything about the XC40 Recharge production date?

      A European site says "undetermined" for delivery date. So, will we see mid-2020, rather than late 2020 US production for the XC40 Recharge? None of the Houston-area Volvo dealers have a clue about the Recharge or the Pre-order program. One even wondered if the sales model would be Volvo-direct like the "Care by Volvo" model.

      I sent a message to Volvo Customer Relations asking if the XC40 Recharge would be included in the ED program--total silence, so far.

      I think the Base Ford Mustang-labeled EV has set a marker that Volvo is struggling to deal with. Same size Battery/range as the XC40 Recharge but a lot larger and only a single motor (base model). Price is less than $40K, pre TC and availability of the Base model is "early 2021". The dual motor standard-range Mach E is late 2020 and $50K. This is pretty close to the XC40 Recharge price and availability speculation. The XC40 Recharge is 174"/106.5" length/wheelbase compared to 186"/117" for the Ford Mach E. I'm sure that the Volvo will be head and shoulders better in quality/features and would be my choice over the Mach E. I think that Volvo had better get the XC40 Recharge on the market ASAP, unless Volvo is content to remain a niche product. I read an interview with one of the Volvo Development executives who said that when the Model 3 came out, Volvo went back to the drawing board to increase the battery size in the XC40 Recharge to 70 KWh. Otherwise, it would have already been on the market.
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      So Tom Moloughney at Insideevs said he got 245+ miles on a Porsche Taycan Turbo, EPA rated at 201 miles range, driving on the highway at 75-80 mph, and his Long Range AWD Model 3 gets about 250 miles range and is rated at 310 miles EPA. That's pretty gross. Wonder if the XC40 Recharge will get much better than it's estimated >200 miles EPA range?

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      To further back up my post above, C&D found a very similar range between the Model S and the Porsche Taycan;

      "More surprisingly, the Porsche held its own in our 75-mph range test. While the EPA says there's a 134-mile difference in the range between the two, extrapolating from our 100-mile run, the real-world difference amounts [only] to 10 miles in the Tesla's favor." Very gross differences in EPA ratings.

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...s-performance/

      Something's amiss at the EPA. And in Tesla's favor too! Again, hold on, the XC40 Recharge might give significantly more range than the EPA allows for, maybe, more like the WLTP range of >249 miles (400 kms). EV Database is estimating 'real world' range of 232 miles for the XC40.
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