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      New updates software

      Updates from and including July 2019

      - Improvement of the AWD system's optimisation.
      - Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      - Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation

      https://www.volvocars.com/uk/support...ftware-updates


      Every two - three months of software upgrade is a proof that there is a problem in the software department
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Updates from and including July 2019

      - Improvement of the AWD system's optimisation.
      - Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      - Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation

      https://www.volvocars.com/uk/support...ftware-updates


      Every two - three months of software upgrade is a proof that there is a problem in the software department
      Please name for me the piece of perfect software that never gets updated.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Updates from and including July 2019


      ...Every two - three months of software upgrade is a proof that there is a problem in the software department
      Or proof of their wonderful customer service where Volvo is actually passing on updates to their customers as soon as they develop 'em, and none the less, for free, unlike some other brands!
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      Quote Originally Posted by gneissnz View Post
      Please name for me the piece of perfect software that never gets updated.
      Such software does not exist, but the software upgrade every three months is not normally special for the engine and transmission.

      For my Q5 2018 the same year as my Volvo XC60 there is no upgrade for the gearbox and the engine


      Quote Originally Posted by Volvolic View Post
      Or proof of their wonderful customer service where Volvo is actually passing on updates to their customers as soon as they develop 'em, and none the less, for free, unlike some other brands!
      I've never had a similar experience with previous cars. I think Volvo has problems with the software department because it simply corrects the mistakes and failures that they have made.

      Multimedia software is vulnerable to bugs this is not important, but it should not happen with the software for engine and gearbox

      I waited a year to Volvo correct the error with motor processor - problem with acceleration

      Volvo has 3 petrol and 3 diesel engines and are not capable of making software for the same. What would happen to have 12-18 different engines like Audi, BMW, MB
      or 8 Volvo models car compare with 26 models Audi
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Updates from and including July 2019

      - Improvement of the AWD system's optimisation.
      - Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      - Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation

      https://www.volvocars.com/uk/support...ftware-updates


      Every two - three months of software upgrade is a proof that there is a problem in the software department

      Thanks for the information and link, but I want to say you have a very naive understanding of the modern software life cycle. And when I say modern, I mean the past 15 years or more. Software can ALWAYS be improved, whether by fixing bugs, adding features, tweaking things based on customer feedback, plugging security holes, increasing performance, decreasing resource usage, etc, etc, etc. If Volvo didn't update my software every time I went in, I'd be real worried. Do you think software updates to your phone and computer are bad?

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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Updates from and including July 2019
      Every two - three months of software upgrade is a proof that there is a problem in the software department
      Hahahaha pushing updates proves the engineers are doing their job and, you know, working.

      I challenge you to name *one* automaker that pushes no updates.

      Just for fun, here's a list of 152 recalls from Mercedes Benz that are all related to or solved by software: https://mb.oemdtc.com/category/recalls
      Getting software updates on a BMW is apparently part of regular maintenance: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1528571
      Even on Audi's high-end 4.0TFSI motors, guess what... multiple software fixes/updates: https://www.audiworld.com/forums/s6-...tfsis-2918619/

      I get it if you had/are having a bad experience. Sell the car, share your experience, don't return to the brand. I had to do that with an SRT vehicle I owned. 16 warranty fixes, 3 transmissions, 5 software updates all under 35k miles.

      Don't try to look at everything Volvo does as incriminating evidence to support your argument.

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      Curious as to level of involvement to optimize engine and transmission performance as I would imagine this could come with headaches related to EPA regs and whatnot. Don't think volvo would take this lightly.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cooperrf View Post
      Thanks for the information and link, but I want to say you have a very naive understanding of the modern software life cycle. And when I say modern, I mean the past 15 years or more. Software can ALWAYS be improved, whether by fixing bugs, adding features, tweaking things based on customer feedback, plugging security holes, increasing performance, decreasing resource usage, etc, etc, etc. If Volvo didn't update my software every time I went in, I'd be real worried. Do you think software updates to your phone and computer are bad?
      Upgrade engine and transmission software every 2-3 months is NOT NORMAL, sorry

      You compare phone and computer with a car - NO COMMENT




      Quote Originally Posted by kDiqq View Post
      Hahahaha pushing updates proves the engineers are doing their job and, you know, working.

      I challenge you to name *one* automaker that pushes no updates.

      Just for fun, here's a list of 152 recalls from Mercedes Benz that are all related to or solved by software: https://mb.oemdtc.com/category/recalls
      Getting software updates on a BMW is apparently part of regular maintenance: https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1528571
      Even on Audi's high-end 4.0TFSI motors, guess what... multiple software fixes/updates: https://www.audiworld.com/forums/s6-...tfsis-2918619/

      I get it if you had/are having a bad experience. Sell the car, share your experience, don't return to the brand. I had to do that with an SRT vehicle I owned. 16 warranty fixes, 3 transmissions, 5 software updates all under 35k miles.

      Don't try to look at everything Volvo does as incriminating evidence to support your argument.
      Thank you for a good joke

      Most Recall Campaign for MB refers to Mercedes-Benz Sprinter or Vito (lights, doors, seats ...) not for engine

      Audi: software upgrade for V8 engine from 2012 is normal, but not every 2-3 months

      BMW from 2011, the upgrade is normal after so many years

      Please, for the next time, links for similar vehicles as Volvo XC60 : Audi Q5 2018, BMW X3 2018 or GLC 2018

      Thank you
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      Kudos should be given to Volvo for their continued development on a 3-4 year old platform considering they have its replacement almost ready for launch.
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      XC90 got this update also recently. There is only a few engine and transmission improvement updates since MY2016. It is not every 2 or 3 months as you thought.

      And it is improvement, and hardly noticeable to people. It is not like that old engine and transmission software would cause damage to the car in any way.

      So I don't see why it is not normal or worrisome.

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      Quote Originally Posted by FusionRedXC60 View Post
      XC90 got this update also recently. There is only a few engine and transmission improvement updates since MY2016. It is not every 2 or 3 months as you thought.

      And it is improvement, and hardly noticeable to people. It is not like that old engine and transmission software would cause damage to the car in any way.

      So I don't see why it is not normal or worrisome.

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      Exactly, It's an "improvement" to what was already an award winning vehicle. It's not like i'm running out to get it updated cause it was not drivable, just going to wait for the next service since the car's perfectly fine as is.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Upgrade engine and transmission software every 2-3 months is NOT NORMAL, sorry

      You compare phone and computer with a car - NO COMMENT

      Thank you for a good joke
      I think you're conflating "software update" with "problem".

      It's a computer with wheels, seats, an engine, and yes, a transmission. EVERYTHING is controlled by software. And software is constantly evolving. If you don't get that, then you're in for continued frustration. And this is today. What do you think it's going to be like when vehicles are all electric, drive themselves, and are constantly connected to a mesh network with infrastructure and other vehicles. In five or ten years, you're going to get a dozen software updates a week.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kDiqq View Post

      Don't try to look at everything Volvo does as incriminating evidence to support your argument.
      Exactly. We get it, you aren't happy. But that doesn't mean every update is fixing some catastrophic problem.

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      It's almost more amusing that you dont see the similarities to a car and cell phone.... if you're old school enough to remember tuning a carb then you shouldnt be surprised that we can constantly tweak engine and transmission formulas in order to improve different real world engine management situtations. Volvo is great at taking consumer feedback and making changes even if it makes it harder for them.
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      Quote Originally Posted by FusionRedXC60 View Post
      XC90 got this update also recently. There is only a few engine and transmission improvement updates since MY2016. It is not every 2 or 3 months as you thought.

      And it is improvement, and hardly noticeable to people. It is not like that old engine and transmission software would cause damage to the car in any way.

      So I don't see why it is not normal or worrisome.

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      Updates including July 2019
      Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.

      Updates including April 2019
      Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.

      Updates including March 2019
      Improvements of the engine control system's optimisation.

      Updates including November 2018
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.

      Updates including October 2018
      Improvements of the engine control system's optimisation.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cooperrf View Post
      I think you're conflating "software update" with "problem".

      It's a computer with wheels, seats, an engine, and yes, a transmission. EVERYTHING is controlled by software. And software is constantly evolving. If you don't get that, then you're in for continued frustration. And this is today. What do you think it's going to be like when vehicles are all electric, drive themselves, and are constantly connected to a mesh network with infrastructure and other vehicles. In five or ten years, you're going to get a dozen software updates a week.
      There are dozens of modules in the car and everyone has their own software, not a common software
      I'm writing about software for the engine and gearbox

      I have no frustration, I have a problem with the car and wait a year to Volvo solve the same problem
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      Quote Originally Posted by DFrantz View Post
      It's almost more amusing that you dont see the similarities to a car and cell phone.... if you're old school enough to remember tuning a carb then you shouldnt be surprised that we can constantly tweak engine and transmission formulas in order to improve different real world engine management situtations. Volvo is great at taking consumer feedback and making changes even if it makes it harder for them.
      An interesting comment, meaning engineers from BMW, Audi, MB, Porsche ........ are stupid who do not upgrade engine / gearbox software every 2-3 months
      or are capable of making software that does not need to be upgraded for 1-3 years or more
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by DFrantz View Post
      It's almost more amusing that you dont see the similarities to a car and cell phone.... if you're old school enough to remember tuning a carb then you shouldnt be surprised that we can constantly tweak engine and transmission formulas in order to improve different real world engine management situtations. Volvo is great at taking consumer feedback and making changes even if it makes it harder for them.
      An interesting comment, meaning engineers from BMW, Audi, MB, Porsche ........ are stupid who do not upgrade engine / gearbox software every 2-3 months
      or are capable of making software that does not need to be upgraded for 1-3 years or more
      It doesn't NEED to be updated. As mentioned, it isn't like driving on the old software is going to damage anything. You hate your car so you look at it negatively. Others see it as Volvo is tweaking things and updating it for free. Other manufacturers are not.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      It doesn't NEED to be updated. As mentioned, it isn't like driving on the old software is going to damage anything. You hate your car so you look at it negatively. Others see it as Volvo is tweaking things and updating it for free. Other manufacturers are not.
      +1 Continuous improvement is neither an event nor an end all. It is a culture.

      My glass is at least half full and I appreciate Volvo’s continuous improvements and optimizations - both free ones and paid upgrades.


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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      I apologize if I made a mistake

      Updates including July 2019
      Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.

      Updates including April 2019
      Improvement of the engine management system's optimisation.
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.

      Updates including March 2019
      Improvements of the engine control system's optimisation.

      Updates including November 2018
      Improvement of the transmission system's optimisation.

      Updates including October 2018
      Improvements of the engine control system's optimisation.
      It's worth noting that each of these updates does more than simply adjust the ECU/TCU. Many update additional modules, Volvo just doesn't include that in the changelog. And as you no doubt know, the only time you actually get visibility into the modules touched is during the update process itself.

      I applaud Volvo for continuing to refine their software, even if it results in more updates/work for the techs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      +1 Continuous improvement is neither an event nor an end all. It is a culture.

      My glass is at least half full and I appreciate Volvo’s continuous improvements and optimizations - both free ones and paid upgrades.


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      Oh look Bigbang isn't happy with his Volvo. What a surprise. Sell the damn thing already and leave swedespeed so we don't have to deal with your constant bitching.

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      Quote Originally Posted by volvobuff View Post
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      Quote Originally Posted by kmazz View Post
      Oh look Bigbang isn't happy with his Volvo. What a surprise. Sell the damn thing already and leave swedespeed so we don't have to deal with your constant bitching.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mikey54 View Post
      Putting him on the ignore list makes life better for everyone.
      If you put him on ignore how come you can see this thread?

      Constructive criticism is really nice but this guy is only bashing everything volvo, so I also would like not to read “his” threads...

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      Does anyone have any idea whether the coming Sensus Upgrade will be backwards compatible with prior model years? I know that the software should be implemented by late 2020/early 2021 and will be basically the system in the Polestar 2. That means google Android based operating system, google maps, google assistant, etc. I am wondering whether the upgraded processor was implemented in the 2019's and up as a means of making sure the next Sensus system would operate properly? Otherwise, it makes me question why they even bothered upgrading the processor for 1-2 years; believe me I am glad they did but I hope it was for this reason! I really hope we are able to get the new software, it seems pretty slick and impressive, and a massive improvement over an already very good operating system.

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      Quote Originally Posted by volvocu View Post
      If you put him on ignore how come you can see this thread?

      Constructive criticism is really nice but this guy is only bashing everything volvo, so I also would like not to read “his” threads...
      It shows that a post from the ignored poster was made..gives u the option to then see it....
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      Quote Originally Posted by flames9 View Post
      It shows that a post from the ignored poster was made..gives u the option to then see it....
      Or not, as desired.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      An interesting comment, meaning engineers from BMW, Audi, MB, Porsche ........ are stupid who do not upgrade engine / gearbox software every 2-3 months
      or are capable of making software that does not need to be upgraded for 1-3 years or more
      Be assured that those manufacturer's software developers/engineers are tweaking the software for their vehicles too. Those companies appear to have a different priority when it comes to releasing the software. Volvo seems to be following more of the "release early, release often" mantra. The other companies probably wait until a model revision (or something seriously wrong) before making a software update available.

      Volvo is tiny, their SPA cars have what, 2 engines (4 cylinder diesel, 4 cylinder petrol, with differing forms/levels of forced induction), 2 gearboxes? (Manual and 8-speed auto). They probably can easily test and release their updates. The others have a lot more variance in their engine/gearbox combinations so it is not as simple so they don't go through the full release testing as often.

      I wouldn't infer from that anything about the relative quality of the software between any of those manufacturers. Nor would i read much into the one line "summaries" that get revealed to the customer. They are deliberately far too vague to mean anything, other than "a change was made". From a cost perspective Volvo probably believes their way is cheaper for them which is likely the main driver behind it.

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      it is unfortunate that bb keeps an ear to the ground and alerts everyone on our forum to good or valuable information about our cars, (as in his first post in the thread) but then usually in the same post (as above) makes an effort to insult us all (i guess including himself) for continuing a decision to own the car.
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      Pretty sure this idiot copy and pasted my post about SW.... and updates are not an indication is anything wrong.

      Big Bang is an annoying forum troll and is blocked by nearly every person on the forum.... do yourself a favor and block him now if you havent already.,
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      Quote Originally Posted by gunshow View Post
      Pretty sure this idiot copy and pasted my post about SW.... and updates are not an indication is anything wrong.

      Big Bang is an annoying forum troll and is blocked by nearly every person on the forum.... do yourself a favor and block him now if you havent already.,


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      Quote Originally Posted by shammyh View Post
      Well said.
      I own a 2017 XC90 Inscription. In times past, improvements would be relegated to new model years. I love that Volvo is including us "used car" owners with their significant improvements. I've noticed improvements in engine management and pilot assist. The fact that Volvo continues to roll out further improvements further strengthens my inclination to buy Volvo again... and again.

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