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      SimpleTire has asked for my ZLines back so they can inspect them. The Road Force balancing shows significant road force imbalance remaining. They have that info. They are late 2016, early 2017 manufacture dates. So, need to dismount and swap over the snow tires.
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      Who’s paying for shipping? How many miles did you get on them? Your wheels are so pretty. I’d find a set of winters since you have no large caliper clearance issue, and they’ll be plentiful at good prices.
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      SimpleTire has asked for my ZLines back so they can inspect them. The Road Force balancing shows significant road force imbalance remaining. They have that info. They are late 2016, early 2017 manufacture dates. So, need to dismount and swap over the snow tires.



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      Quote Originally Posted by ZZZZZZZ View Post
      Who’s paying for shipping? How many miles did you get on them? Your wheels are so pretty. I’d find a set of winters since you have no large caliper clearance issue, and they’ll be plentiful at good prices.




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      They are paying for the shipping. Never have been able to get a smooth balance out of them. Got about 5k on them now. Manufacturing defect, most likely.

      I already have snow tires/wheels. Just need to drag them out of the basement.
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      FedEx stopped by today to pick up the tires. But, no description of what they were picking up was provided and no one was home to point at the 4 tires sitting on the front porch. Grrrr. We'll try again Monday.
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      Tires are all at the warehouse. Hopefully, I'll hear something soon.
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      Interesting.

      My first set (and probably the first set (that were promotional) on a Volvo in North America shared similar date codes yet unlike all zLines Ive seen since then were labeled as made in Finland while later ones say made in Russia. I wonder if the initial startup production on a Russian line experienced quality control issues.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      Interesting.

      My first set (and probably the first set (that were promotional) on a Volvo in North America shared similar date codes yet unlike all zLines Ive seen since then were labeled as made in Finland while later ones say made in Russia. I wonder if the initial startup production on a Russian line experienced quality control issues.
      That's what I'm suspecting.
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      Informed SimpleTire that the tires had been at the warehouse for a week. They didn't know. Another week gone by in silence. Pinged them again this morning. Now been 3 weeks since I shipped them. Testing my patience.
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      I bet! Maybe they’ve grown too quickly or they’ve had some management changes.
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      Informed SimpleTire that the tires had been at the warehouse for a week. They didn't know. Another week gone by in silence. Pinged them again this morning. Now been 3 weeks since I shipped them. Testing my patience.



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      Finally got an answer back on the ZLines. Two were deemed defective, two okay. Which two, I don't know. The best two (least residual imbalance), were in the front and vibrated above 65 MPH. So, I can still end up with two unacceptable tires. They offered to refund me for the two tires. But, I want two new tires. So, need to call them tomorrow and deal with it.

      I liked everything about them, except for the imbalance problems. At this point I don't know if I want to spend the money to mount and balance them again, versus getting something else. But, I really don't want to cough up $500+ for another set of tires.
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      Apparently, SimpleTire customer service doesn't read their emails. I sent them an email asking if it was possible to get 2 replacement tires instead of a refund for the 2 defective tires. But, I told them I wanted to wait until the 2 "good" tires got back to me. That way I could get those mounted and balanced and make sure they were okay. If not, I'd take the refund and get different tires.

      Instead, they sent me 2 new tires today. From an OK warehouse, not the IL warehouse. In the mean time, my 2 "good" tires are still at the IL warehouse, despite the shipping labels being printed last Friday.

      Sigh....
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      Doesn’t make me feel good about the three I was about to order.


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      The two replacement ZLines arrived Saturday. My two old tires are still MIA. I'm convinced SimpleTire outsources their email customer support to another country. I asked about the status of my old tires. They responded that they were delivered. No! So, another round of emails to explain things again. So, we'll see what happens in another day or two.
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      The 2 original tires finally arrived today. Interestingly, they were the tires originally in the rear. Those had the most residual road force imbalance, but were deemed to be non-defective.

      I'll get those 2 mounted and balanced and put up front to see what they are like.
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      That's crazy you are having issues. Nokian is pretty good brand. I have a set of enTyres and just love them. Made in Russia too...
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      The 2 replacement tires they sent me are dated 15th week of 2017. So, 2.5 years old already.
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      something-something it's Putin's fault. what a bummer. I've never had to send tires back to anywhere *knock on wood*.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tonyc View Post
      something-something it's Putin's fault. what a bummer. I've never had to send tires back to anywhere *knock on wood*.
      I never have either, and I've been buying tires since the early 80s.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
      The 2 replacement tires they sent me are dated 15th week of 2017. So, 2.5 years old already.
      Those seem kind of old at this point. Is there a standard that tire sellers try to stick to, like within 12 months of manufacture?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      Those seem kind of old at this point. Is there a standard that tire sellers try to stick to, like within 12 months of manufacture?
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      Well, they're mounted and on the car again. The tires originally in the rear are now in the front. Initial drive at 50-55 MPH wasn't encouraging. The LF tire doesn't seem centered on the wheel. I had this problem on the initial installation too.

      I'll make a highway run in the morning.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
      Well, they're mounted and on the car again. The tires originally in the rear are now in the front. Initial drive at 50-55 MPH wasn't encouraging. The LF tire doesn't seem centered on the wheel. I had this problem on the initial installation too.

      I'll make a highway run in the morning.
      What do you mean not centered on the wheel?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      What do you mean not centered on the wheel?
      The gap between the wheel and the lip around the bead is not consistent.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
      The gap between the wheel and the lip around the bead is not consistent.
      Uh. That’s super weird. Especially if you can see it. Is there a possibility that the bead isn’t being set properly?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      Uh. That’s super weird. Especially if you can see it. Is there a possibility that the bead isn’t being set properly?
      Maybe. This happened when they were first installed (different shop). They pumped them up to 50+ PSI and it corrected the problem.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
      Maybe. This happened when they were first installed (different shop). They pumped them up to 50+ PSI and it corrected the problem.
      Very strange. These are on your Orpheus? I think they have a decent bead lock ridge. When I’ve mounted zline as and powerproof on my set it always pops 3 times as the bead goes on and we use plenty of mounting lube
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      Yes, they are on the Orpheus wheels.
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      I pumped the tire up to 60 PSI this morning and that seemed to seat the bead more evenly around the wheel.

      Car vibrates from about 50 MPH and up through both the steering wheel and body. Not really tolerable. I'll swap front and rear tires tonight and see how that changes things.

      This is getting old.
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      GOTTA be frustrating! I'm so happy with both sets of mine. Costco did the mounting but that deal is dead now, and it pisses me off. They won't mount tires that aren't theirs.
      That was 97% of the reason I re-joined after 20+ years to begin with. With two people in the house most of the year now, it just doesn't make sense to be buying three gallon massive things of peanut butter, etc.
      I am wondering what to now do with the oddball ZLine I have leftover. I was about to buy three more for the v70XC...
      Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
      I pumped the tire up to 60 PSI this morning and that seemed to seat the bead more evenly around the wheel.

      Car vibrates from about 50 MPH and up through both the steering wheel and body. Not really tolerable. I'll swap front and rear tires tonight and see how that changes things.

      This is getting old.
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      Cold, dark, and raining out. So, tire swap postponed until tomorrow.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ZZZZZZZ View Post
      GOTTA be frustrating! I'm so happy with both sets of mine. Costco did the mounting but that deal is dead now, and it pisses me off. They won't mount tires that aren't theirs.
      That was 97% of the reason I re-joined after 20+ years to begin with. With two people in the house most of the year now, it just doesn't make sense to be buying three gallon massive things of peanut butter, etc.
      I am wondering what to now do with the oddball ZLine I have leftover. I was about to buy three more for the v70XC...
      I just get more, never an issue with any of mine. When we have so many people on one forum running the same tires, someone is bound to get something defective eventually.
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      Spent a couple of hours today rotating tires around to see how much the vibration changes. With the 2 old tires in front, there's a moderate amount of vibration, starting as early as 45 MPH. Putting the 2 replacement tires up front reduces the vibration, but doesn't eliminate it. But, doesn't start until about 65 MPH. Tomorrow I'll put the snow tires up front and see what happens.

      Really hating lug bolts about now.
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      I've often wondered how those ZLines would be when looking at the Nokian website. But knowing that I may have to drive at any time in Michigan's UP that has the potential for snow 9 months out of the year keeps me off of them.

      The WRG4s (I believe made in Suomi) seem all right and have some wicked light snow traction. I've only driven the WRG3s in deep snow, I liked them until wifey totaled the V70. The WRG4s out rather quickly when your front toe-in is jacked.
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      Quote Originally Posted by metalbender View Post
      I've often wondered how those ZLines would be when looking at the Nokian website. But knowing that I may have to drive at any time in Michigan's UP that has the potential for snow 9 months out of the year keeps me off of them.

      The WRG4s (I believe made in Suomi) seem all right and have some wicked light snow traction. I've only driven the WRG3s in deep snow, I liked them until wifey totaled the V70. The WRG4s out rather quickly when your front toe-in is jacked.
      I have dedicated snow tires for Dec-Mar. An all season should be able to handle the little bit of snow we usually get in Nov and Apr. If anything serious shows up, I can get the snows on pretty quickly, or just take the truck.
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      Quote Originally Posted by metalbender View Post
      I've often wondered how those ZLines would be when looking at the Nokian website. But knowing that I may have to drive at any time in Michigan's UP that has the potential for snow 9 months out of the year keeps me off of them.

      The WRG4s (I believe made in Suomi) seem all right and have some wicked light snow traction. I've only driven the WRG3s in deep snow, I liked them until wifey totaled the V70. The WRG4s out rather quickly when your front toe-in is jacked.
      zLine might not be the right tire for you, unless you're willing to change for something else any time you have any chance of encountering snow. They have a very strong summer bias in terms of tread pattern, but the compound doesn't give up grip in the cold the way a lot of UHP AS tires do. However it's also why so many of us love them; when you're not trying to build a tire that even pretends to be useful in the snow, you can build a tire that does incredibly well in the other 3 seasons. I've driven them around the neighborhood in the snow just to see how they'd do and it was............not good.

      WR G4 are not an all season tire, but a winter tire with a slightly modified tread compound to keep them from melting at higher temperatures. In Europe, Nokian sells the WR A4, which has the exact same tread pattern and a more winter oriented compound, but still not as wintry a compound as the Hakkas since the WR A4 is designed not to be able to survive the Autobahn. I haven't driven WR G4 in the summer, but I didn't like the way the WR G3 drove in the summer at all, especially in the wet. The G4 is better in the wet for sure, but I'm not sure how they do at higher temperatures compared to the G3. My dad and I will be splitting a set of WR G4 between his NA and my S60 as needed this winter, so hopefully we'll get one of those freak 90° days in March to see how they do in the heat.

      That said, I don't really think there's an alternative to the WRs if you need snow capability year round.
      Last edited by JaredR; 11-24-2019 at 06:59 PM.
      1995 850 T-5R Estate. AW50-42LE. Cream Yellow/Graphite. 296k.
      1997 850R Estate. RN/M66D. Bright Red/Graphite. 270k.
      1999 V70 T5. Nautic Blue/Graphite. M56. 173k.
      2007 S60 T5. M66W. Black Sapphire/Arena. 136k.

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      Dad: 1997 V70 T5 SE. AW50-42LE. Frost Green/Oak. 212k.Mom: 2004 V70 NA. AW55-50SN Ruby Red/Tan 266k. <--- FOR SALE!!

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