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      Quote Originally Posted by gak View Post
      Re the Volvo 340 - that was a rebadged DAF after Volvo bought that company, wasn't it? You mentioned SAABs, those were great "grand tourers" in their day. My 2006 9-5 wagon with the regular suspension and Aero engine was a wonderful, car but with all the changes for the '06 model year I could not get parts for it. I still see lots of 2005 and older 9-5s here in South-Central PA where there are two specialist indi shops withing a reasonable drive for me.
      I think the very first Dutch made Volvo might have just been a rebadged DAF. I vaguely remember seeing something that looked like a DAF but with a Volvo badge

      The ones we had were certainly inspired by DAF technology. Small rear wheel drive cars with belts (one each side) driving the rear axle instead of a drive shaft, and a novel (for the time) CVT. The ones we had had brand new bodies though that were bigger than and looked almost nothing like their spiritual DAF predecessor.

      Fun little cars. I know CVT's get a bad rep these days, but they were amazing on those things. Very small displacement motors bin light cars with a CVT made them drive like fun little go-carts.

      These cars are the main reason why I am waiting for someone to finally make another decent CVT.

      I know it can be done well, because I've driven it, and why would you have these large heavy 8-12 speed automatic transmissions if you can make a good "infinite speed" CVT. Many modern implementations haven't exactly been inspiring though.

      I looked it up. We had both of the 340 body styles. The original from 1980 on and the later one. The original DAF rebadge was apparently called the Volvo 66, and was a DAF 66 with a Volvo badge on it. I never saw too many of those though

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      Quote Originally Posted by mattlach View Post
      That's certainly one perspective. As a younger man I probably would have agreed with it.

      Another other one is that speed limits exist for a reason, and if yoiu exceed them you deserve to be punished, so why should any car be able to exceed them?



      Maybe the smaller ones? There is absolutely NOTHING sporty about any S90, regardless of which motor it is equipped with.

      It is a 4,150lb, 16.7ft long, 6.6ft wide luxo-barge. Sure, it handles well for its size, but I'm sure that can also be said about many dump trucks.

      Even if some models can get up to speed rather quickly, this is not a car you'd bring to the track.

      In fact, the longer wheelbase we have gotten in the U.S.was redesigned specifically for the Chinese market, where factory bosses sit in the back, driven slowly by their chauffeurs.

      If you want something sporty, buy a Porsche, and drive it on a track
      You're funny. We are, indeed, a Volvo/Porsche household and probably will be for a long time to come. But I drive my Cross Country wagon almost as fast as I do my Porsches, and I like that it actually does feel sporty in comparison to the Porsches (believe it or not) and that its wide stance provides a lot of stability and confidence at high speeds (I'm talking 80-90 mph, not over 100 mph; my Porsches feel stable over 100 mph, but the Volvos not so much). And I've been driving Volvo wagons for over three full decades now.

      As for the legalistic remark made above about going over the speed limit: I get that you don't want bad drivers going over the speed limit (and probably not driving at all), but those of us who are very careful and good drivers, who tend to keep off the phone and even not listening to music while driving because we focus on driving and like to drive, going somewhat over the speed limit isn't and shouldn't be considered a bad thing if you aren't affecting or endangering other people on your roadway (and indeed, cops don't consider it dangerous either, given that they rarely ticket people going 10-15 mph over the limit). I get peeved at cops who waste time ticketing safe, careful going 20 mph over the speed limit on interstate highways where there's hardly any other traffic, but they almost always fail to go after the really dangerous people: those who tailgate and those who cut people off. Cops should only be stopping people for reckless driving; driving 20 or even 30 mph over the speed limit while never tailgating or cutting people off or making things dangerous for other drivers should never be ticketed on an interstate highway with light traffic. Tailgating should be ticketed much more aggressively than speeding, and people should lose their license for tailgating three times in a given period of time (like a year or two) -- three strikes and you're out.
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      There's not enough paper in the Western Hemisphere to print the amount of tickets necessary if cops ticketed every reckless/tailgating/cutting-off driver on the Mass Turnpike..... They don't call those folks Massholes for nothing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by VLD1 View Post
      There's not enough paper in the Western Hemisphere to print the amount of tickets necessary if cops ticketed every reckless/tailgating/cutting-off driver on the Mass Turnpike..... They don't call those folks Massholes for nothing.
      Funny thing is, whenever I see some driver that actually scares me in a "jeez we almost got killed" kind of way, they never have mass plates. It's usually NH, PA or NY.

      Best drivers around here in my experience tend to be VT plates.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mattlach View Post
      Funny thing is, whenever I see some driver that actually scares me in a "jeez we almost got killed" kind of way, they never have mass plates. It's usually NH, PA or NY.
      You obviously never drive 495....

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      Quote Originally Posted by VLD1 View Post
      You obviously never drive 495....
      I do. And that is one scary highway filled with holes on almost 100% of the 80 miles length. The infrastructure and drivers education at its best.


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      Quote Originally Posted by VLD1 View Post
      There's not enough paper in the Western Hemisphere to print the amount of tickets necessary if cops ticketed every reckless/tailgating/cutting-off driver on the Mass Turnpike..... They don't call those folks Massholes for nothing.
      The reason is that cops have misplaced priorities. If they made announcements that they were going to be more aggressive about ticketing tailgaters and less agressive about speeders in general, and then did so, people would be much less prone to tailgating (as they are less prone to speed because they are afraid of getting a speeding ticket). I am sure that a very high percentage of accidents are due to either tailgating or cutting people off abruptly/unsafely -- much more than to simple speeding without doing those other anti-other-driver offenses.

      Anyway, I do tend to notice that Volvo drivers are more courteous and less obnoxious generally [and I find the same for Porsche drivers, too :-) ] -- that they cut people off less and tailgate less than drivers of other vehicles; I think it goes to the type of people who tend to buy these brands.
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      Eh, they've tried those kinds of campaigns in NJ. They don't work.

      People drive the way they're going to drive and just hope they don't get pulled over.
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      Quote Originally Posted by matt1122 View Post
      Eh, they've tried those kinds of campaigns in NJ. They don't work.

      People drive the way they're going to drive and just hope they don't get pulled over.
      Yet in Scandinavia they never have this problem.

      This entire country has an attitude problem. The whole "screw you, I know better, and don't care about the rules" streak.

      We could learn a lot from Scandinavia and Japan.

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      Quote Originally Posted by VLD1 View Post
      There's not enough paper in the Western Hemisphere to print the amount of tickets necessary if cops ticketed every reckless/tailgating/cutting-off driver on the Mass Turnpike..... They don't call those folks Massholes for nothing.
      I'm a 80+ masshole driver. I need missiles for people hogging the left lane. They are the people that need to be ticketed. On my commute this morning I had to pass 4 people on the right because they are either oblivious or just dont give a F.

      I'm the first to get out of the way and move over if someone is coming up on my ass at 90 mph.
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      Quote Originally Posted by amarshall View Post
      I'm a 80+ masshole driver. I need missiles for people hogging the left lane. They are the people that need to be ticketed. On my commute this morning I had to pass 4 people on the right because they are either oblivious or just dont give a F.

      I'm the first to get out of the way and move over if someone is coming up on my ass at 90 mph.
      Amen!

      I'm apparently a similar Michhole driven, then. Sadly, almost no one understands the difference between a Fast lane and an Overtaking lane. They assume, since they are doing a couple over the speed limit, they can hog the left lane, instead of treating it purely as an overtaking lane and then back in the right even if you're doing a million mph!
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      back in the day 2004 Mercedes CL600 twin turbo V12 was limited to 210km/h (130mph) does to H rated tires. That thing pulled like a mofo until hitting limited wall. R-design doesn't H rated tires and why is it limited to 210/130...no idea. Must be due to CC equipped with "slow" rubber. I have two option... bitch to Volvo and fix limiter since T6 should have 250kmh/155mph limiter or when I get to Europe see one of the tunners and remove limiter.

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      I might ask if there is a option to remove it but for the USA it’s useless. If I was in Europe that would be first thing on my list. As for the left lane ass...es I blame it on the drivers education in the us. Europeans spend way more time learning how to drive and the left lane slow drivers get punished by cops often.


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      Quote Originally Posted by amarshall View Post
      I'm a 80+ masshole driver. I need missiles for people hogging the left lane. They are the people that need to be ticketed. On my commute this morning I had to pass 4 people on the right because they are either oblivious or just dont give a F.

      I'm the first to get out of the way and move over if someone is coming up on my ass at 90 mph.
      It's not the speed. 3 minutes after entering 495 earlier this week I watched a semi move over to left lane to clear a path for several cars joining 495 from an on ramp. A Masshole passed me on the left, pulled into the right lane to pass the semi, then managed to squeeze past a car coming from the on ramp, almost hitting a car that had just entered from the on ramp before swerving in front of the semi. He exited 495 about a half mile down the road... Mass Pike drivers seem to lose their senses once they get on 495.

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      Quote Originally Posted by amarshall View Post
      I'm a 80+ masshole driver. I need missiles for people hogging the left lane. They are the people that need to be ticketed. On my commute this morning I had to pass 4 people on the right because they are either oblivious or just dont give a F.

      I'm the first to get out of the way and move over if someone is coming up on my ass at 90 mph.
      I find the opposite to be true.

      I usually drive fast. 85-90mph on the highway if conditions allow. If I can do so in the middle or right lane, I move over to those lanes.

      Usually what happens though, is that have to be in the passing lane to travel at the speed I desire, because I need to pass the vehicles to my right. If there is someone ahead of me in the lane who is driving slower than I want to, I slow down, and follow at a safe distance.

      Most people who complain about "slow drivers in the passing lane" don't seem to realize that the people ahead of them would like to be driving faster, but cant because the driver ahead of them is driving slower.

      So then they proceed to dangerously pass on the right, squeezing in, often nearly causing accidents only to be stuck a few car lengths ahead with nowhere to go

      Just because someone isn't tailgating the car ahead of them does not mean they are driving slowly in the passing lane. Chances are they would rather be driving faster, and would pass if they could, but cannot do so legally, so they follow at a safe distance, and pass when they are able.

      Keep in mind, a safe distance is a 2-3 second following distance. (Massachusetts law requires the higher, 3 second following distance. See the Massachusetts Drivers Manual, page 71)

      Here is an example of what a 2-3 second following distance means at various speeds:

      55 mph: 160-240ft (11-16 average car lengths)
      65 mph: 190-290ft (13-19 average car lengths)
      75 mph: 220-330ft (15-22 average car lengths)
      85 mph: 250-375ft (17-25 average car lengths)

      For reference, you can approximately replicate the legal safe following distance on our Volvo's equipped with adaptive cruise control by setting it to the furthest distance setting. In every other distance setting, adaptive cruise control is tailgating.

      So, if you come across someone on the highway who is driving 65mph in the passing lane, take a look 13-19 car lengths ahead of them and see if there is someone else there setting the pace whom they cannot legally or safely follow any closer. If there is, tuck in behind them, 13-19 car lengths back, take a deep ****ing breath and don't be an asshole.

      Yes, there may be someone up ahead somewhere who is driving slowly in the passing lane, and they are technically breaking the law in most states by driving in the passing lane, but you aren't going to solve that by driving like an ass, passing dangerously close to other drivers who are equally frustrated and also want to be driving faster.

      Driving should always be about practicing zen. You can pass safely when the opportunity arises. Leave your testosterone at home. You'll get there when you get there.
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      This topic has obviously changed focus.... My question would be: Who is responsible to adjust their speed when overtaking a slower vehicle? I typically drive 5 - 7 mph faster than the posted limit and so am frequently passing a slower driver. But I am passing him at a 5 - 7 mph faster speed so I'm not exactly zooming past, but I am overtaking him. Someone coming along doing 10 sometimes 20 mph over the limit obviously wants to get by me too. But if I am mid-pass, am I obliged to gun it to get around the slower driver? Many will slow down and allow me to continue overtaking the vehicle. But there's always a few who will stand right on my bumper until I finish my passing. If it's a long semi I'm overtaking I will speed up. But personally I don't think I need to accommodate the excess speeder.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rkohou View Post
      I might ask if there is a option to remove it but for the USA it’s useless. If I was in Europe that would be first thing on my list. As for the left lane ass...es I blame it on the drivers education in the us. Europeans spend way more time learning how to drive and the left lane slow drivers get punished by cops often.


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      what driver ed in US? I did not see any.
      not long ago I saw one so called driver ed car with high school kid behind wheel. Made the driver turnon red without stopping, speeding, etc. At the next light I told instructor "this is how you teach new driver...no follow any traffic laws? SHAME ON YOU". welcome to third world country called USA.
      It took me a month to get license in Europe. Few days of classroom time before getting behind a wheel of car with instructor that had own set of pedals.

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      Quote Originally Posted by VLD1 View Post
      This topic has obviously changed focus.... My question would be: Who is responsible to adjust their speed when overtaking a slower vehicle? I typically drive 5 - 7 mph faster than the posted limit and so am frequently passing a slower driver. But I am passing him at a 5 - 7 mph faster speed so I'm not exactly zooming past, but I am overtaking him. Someone coming along doing 10 sometimes 20 mph over the limit obviously wants to get by me too. But if I am mid-pass, am I obliged to gun it to get around the slower driver? Many will slow down and allow me to continue overtaking the vehicle. But there's always a few who will stand right on my bumper until I finish my passing. If it's a long semi I'm overtaking I will speed up. But personally I don't think I need to accommodate the excess speeder.
      The wording of these laws are subtly different from State to state, but the way I have interpreted it is that you should never be driving in the passing lane unless you are passing.

      If you are in the process of passing, even if it's only one mph faster than the car you are passing, and someone comes along who wants to drive even faster, they can essentially pound sand.

      Don't let them intimidate you into either driving faster or aborting your pass.

      If they start tailgating and creating a dangerous situation, I usually just lift my foot off of the accelerator and start coasting. DONT slam on the brakes. That is both dangerous and illegal, but the not so subtle message of "the closer you get, the slower I'll drive" is sometimes appropriate.

      When I learned to drive in Sweden it was actually illegal to pass on the right. No one on the road was permitted to drive faster than the car to their left. I remember once there was a car with UK plates driving in the passing lane going really slowly (presumably due to being used to driving on the left). There was a long conga line of cars behind this person, all driving slowly. Not a single person passed on the right

      We need more obedience and zen-like driving in our country, where it doesn't really matter what anyone else is doing. That's not a justification for you to break the law or drive dangerously.

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      Quote Originally Posted by mattlach View Post

      When I learned to drive in Sweden it was actually illegal to pass on the right. No one on the road was permitted to drive faster than the car to their left. I remember once there was a car with UK plates driving in the passing lane going really slowly (presumably due to being used to driving on the left). There was a long conga line of cars behind this person, all driving slowly. Not a single person passed on the right
      It's still illegal to pass on the right here in Sweden, UNLESS! Unless you're expecting the right hand lane to divert into an off ramp/exit further ahead and the speed limit on that stretch doesn't exceed 70km/h (~45mph).

      I'm quite curious what city you grew up in in Sweden, you're correct in many ways of describing our traffic behavior but it doesn't work like that everywhere. The small town I grew up in, 100%. Now living in the capital of Sweden, not so much at all. Speed limits are more like "recommendations" and everyone is going like 15-20km/h over but the flow is consistent. We're also quite short on dedicated traffic police so as long as there's no obvious heavy traffic violation they often don't care if you're speeding a bit.
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      Driving on the left is a US bad habit, probably created by the American mentality of individualism rather than collectivism. In all of Latin America, Canada and Europe the left lane is for passing and if you're passing too slow and someone much faster comes along you move as a courtesy, once that car passes...you go back into your slow passing if you want. I wish things were different though, being Mexican living in the US I do move to the right all the time, even when I don't have anyone behind me...as everyone should. 😉
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      Quote Originally Posted by pocholin View Post
      Driving on the left is a US bad habit, probably created by the American mentality of individualism rather than collectivism. In all of Latin America, Canada and Europe the left lane is for passing and if you're passing too slow and someone much faster comes along you move as a courtesy, once that car passes...you go back into your slow passing if you want. I wish things were different though, being Mexican living in the US I do move to the right all the time, even when I don't have anyone behind me...as everyone should. 😉
      Exactly. I sincerely believe that the average U.S. driver is among the worst and least educated in the developed world.

      What you wrote plus the total lack of turning signal usage and lack of parking skills makes it for a very unsafe driving environment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BusteRT6 View Post
      what driver ed in US? I did not see any.
      not long ago I saw one so called driver ed car with high school kid behind wheel. Made the driver turnon red without stopping, speeding, etc. At the next light I told instructor "this is how you teach new driver...no follow any traffic laws? SHAME ON YOU". welcome to third world country called USA.
      It took me a month to get license in Europe. Few days of classroom time before getting behind a wheel of car with instructor that had own set of pedals.
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      I don't know what you're talking about. We have the best drivers in the US. That's why they can drive so well while having no idea what's going on around them.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pocholin View Post
      Driving on the left is a US bad habit, probably created by the American mentality of individualism rather than collectivism. In all of Latin America, Canada and Europe the left lane is for passing and if you're passing too slow and someone much faster comes along you move as a courtesy, once that car passes...you go back into your slow passing if you want. I wish things were different though, being Mexican living in the US I do move to the right all the time, even when I don't have anyone behind me...as everyone should. 😉
      Canada from my experience living here is really bad for left lane hogging. In fact, whenever an article about this comes up in any Canadian newspaper - the on-line comments are full of people who justify hogging the left lane because of some misplaced sense of entitlement or duty to slow other cars down.

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      Quote Originally Posted by CedarMtn View Post
      Canada from my experience living here is really bad for left lane hogging. In fact, whenever an article about this comes up in any Canadian newspaper - the on-line comments are full of people who justify hogging the left lane because of some misplaced sense of entitlement or duty to slow other cars down.
      I stand corrected then...thanks for the clarification.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rentalcar View Post
      It's still illegal to pass on the right here in Sweden, UNLESS! Unless you're expecting the right hand lane to divert into an off ramp/exit further ahead and the speed limit on that stretch doesn't exceed 70km/h (~45mph).

      I'm quite curious what city you grew up in in Sweden, you're correct in many ways of describing our traffic behavior but it doesn't work like that everywhere. The small town I grew up in, 100%. Now living in the capital of Sweden, not so much at all. Speed limits are more like "recommendations" and everyone is going like 15-20km/h over but the flow is consistent. We're also quite short on dedicated traffic police so as long as there's no obvious heavy traffic violation they often don't care if you're speeding a bit.
      I grew up in a small town (by international standards) in Bohuslän named Stenungsund. Just before I started high school (gymnasiet) my family moved in to Göteborg.

      Even back then (80's and 90's) people where I lived would drive fast on the highways. The speed limit was 110km/h everywhere. Everyone seemed to cruise at 130km/h, because the laws at the time (may still be accurate, I have no idea) were that if you went 30km/h above the limit, it was an instant license suspension.

      The difference was it was an orderly speeding. People may have been driving fast, but they generally left a generous amount of space to the next car, used their turning signals, didn't weave in and out of traffic, and generally just obeyed the traffic laws, (except for the fact that they were going 20km/h above the limit <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /> )


      I was back in Sweden in May - June for a wedding, and did some traveling around the country (in a rented S90 T8 from Hertz <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /> ) I noticed that although drivers are still more law abiding and courteous than they are here in the U.S, they aren't quite as good as they were back then. Some things change, I guess.
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      Well I believe that is happening round the globe. People have less time due to one major time eater called Phone, which is used during driving by over 50% of drivers. It’s a crazy world out there on the road.


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