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    \r\n Anyone done a drain and fill of the transmission yet?
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    \r\nI\'ve had some car with transmission problems due to self serving manufacturers selling the \'lifetime fluid" BS and have had others where I wised up and changed the fluid (drain fill) every 30-50k and then had not problems - so I will be doing regular drain/fills on my SPA cars.\r\n
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    \r\n Quote Originally Posted by Iamhives\r\n View Post\r\n
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    Anyone done a drain and fill of the transmission yet?
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    \nGo to Youtube and search XC90 transmission . There are a couple of videos that walk you thru the whole process . The drain plug is under car which also has imbedded in it the tube which sets the correct amount of fluid .Volvo in it\'s infinite wisdom does not provide us with a dipstick . [ another life annuity for the dealer ] Fill plug is under the air filter plumbing . You will need correct Torx socket and a extension. No filter required.. Valvoline Synthetic ATF withstands higher temps than Mobil 3309\r\n
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    \r\n I don\'t seem anything on Youtube for SPA platform cars - all the videos I see are for much older XC90\'s which are a whole different platform. If I\'m wrong please post the specific link to the transmission videos for the newer SPA platform cars.
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    Go to Youtube and search XC90 transmission . There are a couple of videos that walk you thru the whole process . The drain plug is under car which also has imbedded in it the tube which sets the correct amount of fluid .Volvo in it\'s infinite wisdom does not provide us with a dipstick . [ another life annuity for the dealer ] Fill plug is under the air filter plumbing . You will need correct Torx socket and a extension. No filter required.. Valvoline Synthetic ATF withstands higher temps than Mobil 3309
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    I don\'t seem anything on Youtube for SPA platform cars - all the videos I see are for much older XC90\'s which are a whole different platform. If I\'m wrong please post the specific link to the transmission videos for the newer SPA platform cars.
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    \nI am also looking for a video on YouTube for my 2016 XC90. As you said there’s no video for the second generation of xc90. But I saw at least one old video which is similar to the current transmission. As long as transmission make/ model is the same, it should be good enough to be used for new xc90. But I can’t find the filler bolt on the top of transmission.
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    \r\n Since there arent any SPA specific videos that any of us can find, what other cars use the same transmission - there may be information we can leverage from them. What transmission model/number do our cars use?
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    \r\n Looks like this is the transmission our cars us:
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      Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
      Can you tell us which is the corresponding PID for that?
      I've been unable to find a PID that reflects ATF temperature, only engine coolant.
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