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      Yes i have got that chinese garbage too in my trunk.
      Made me laugh when i first saw it.
      Wish i did not have any spare and just a repair kit to save space..
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      For ****s and grins I have kept a tally of the different tire brands that have rolled in through the door here, and yes, most the none recognized strange sounding brands are all from some part of Asia and mostly China.
      And this is only what I have seen.
      You wonder how many more there are out there.

      Accelera Indonesia
      Achilles Indonesia
      Antares China
      Arizonian China, USA
      Aspen Indonesia
      Autoguard China
      Barum Mexico
      BF Goodrich USA, Thailand
      Blacklion Vietnam
      Bridgestone Mexico, USA, Japan
      Capitol China
      Champiro China
      Charger Indonesia
      Constancy China
      Continental France, Germany, Mexico, Portugal, USA, Romania
      Cooper USA
      Delinte China
      Diamondback
      Doral Indonesia
      Douglas (Goodyear) USA
      Dunlop USA, Japan
      Epic Tour
      Falken Thailand
      Federal
      Fierce Chile
      Firestone Costa Rica, USA, Mexico
      Futura USA
      Fuzion Japan
      General Brazil, Mexico
      Goodride China
      Good Year USA, Canada
      Hankook Korea
      Headway China
      Hercules Thailand
      Ironman China
      Jinyu China
      Kelly USA
      Kenda Taiwan
      Khumo Korea
      Landsail China
      Lanvigator China
      Linglong Thailand
      Load Star China
      Mastercraft Indonesia
      Mayrun
      Michelin USA, Italy, Romania, UK, Canada, Thailand
      Milestar China
      Nankang Taiwan
      Negotiator China, Indonesia
      Nexen Korea
      Nitto USA
      Pegasus China
      Primewell
      Pirelli Romania, Brazil, China
      Riken Indonesia
      Roadhugger Korea
      Saffiro China
      Sailun China
      Sentury Thailand
      Starfire China
      Sumitomo China
      Sunny China
      Sunew China
      Tempest China
      Thunderer Thailand
      Toyo Japan
      Uniroyal Indonesia, USA
      Yokohama USA, Japan
      Vogue China
      Warrior China
      Vee Rubber Thailand
      Venezia Thailand
      Westlake China
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      Should be the same diameter. My S60 has a 17" spare to match my 17" wheels.


      Quote Originally Posted by pauljloz View Post
      Not even close to being the same diameter.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Walkabout View Post
      To add a poster to your ignore list, you just click on the name and then you'll see am option to ignore.

      Every car forum has a nutbag who spends the entire day trying to convince enthusiasts that their choice sucks. The first car that I really loved was an Acura TSX. When the car first became available, there was a Lexus IS owner who spent hours on Acurazine rambling about how all the published 0-60 times were wrong for the TSX. I sold the Acura and then got a 3-series. On Bimmerfest, we had a troll who interupted thread after thread to tell us how his Audi was the better vehicle.

      Usually, it is all about some yahoo who bought the competitive and feels threatened that others made a different choice.

      It's basically an inevitable event on car forums. So, best to ignore.

      As for the op, I thought his past was pretty cool. I never even noticed the spare. That's good attention to detail and made me look myself.

      well said, and we have the same history with Acurazine and Bimmerfest! 2004 TL was the first car I bought and I miss it to this day. Still looks great, unlike the last generation monstrosity that followed with that beak! Currently rock F30 335i daily.

      To the topic at hand - T8's do not come with a spare but a bottle of goo and an inflator, which I bet will be useless in most cases of a flat (blowout, sidewall puncture, tire coming off the rim, etc.) Having any kind of spare, even a Chinese crappy kind, is better than nothing. It's an emergency backup designed to get you to the nearest tire shop. As long as it holds air it should do the job, if you don't abuse it by deciding to put a few hundred miles on it - as I see some people do unfortunately.

      Given the size of XC90's trunk, I just got myself an identical fifth wheel for $130 on eBay and a decent used tire for $70. Problem solved - already saved my butt once.
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      First thing I looked for when I bought my XC60 was a spare! I ditched my 2 year old GLC43 AMG Mercedes due to horrible ride quality on the run flats(plus a lot of other issue on that piece of crap) and very few replacement tire options on this model.

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      Quote Originally Posted by pauljloz View Post
      Doesn't really matter if its a chinese tyre or a clearly more special one from a four-ring skoda .......... they are a dangerous compromise, hideously overpriced and, when used, result in you carrying a large unrestrained projectile in the rear (albeit at <50 being tailgated in the slow lane)!

      "The death of two men in a car crash in Merrylands at the weekend has put the spotlight on the suitability of spacesaver spare tyres. Photos of the wrecked car show that it was equipped with a temporary spare and that the tyre had peeled off the rim."

      "Research by the Royal Automobile Club of Victoria last year found that a car's braking distance increases by up to 15 metres at 80kmh in dry conditions when a temporary spare tyre is fitted. The test also found that, when cornering, spacesaver tyres lose grip at much lower speeds than regular tyres."

      "Ernest Litera, a vehicle engineer with the RACV, last year tested spacesaver spares on a number of top-selling models on a closed circuit in controlled conditions. In one test a car "blew a tyre and slid off the road".

      Yes they may suit some applications, but it is unconscionable that provision is not made for full size wheel in medium to large vehicles where space is available and its trivial issue at the design stage. Everyone has there own perspective and I know its seen as a non-issue by 99%, but it is a concern in some markets.
      Thats more of an issue industry wide not specifically Volvo so I don't really see how it relates to this thread.
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      Quote Originally Posted by kmazz View Post
      You'd think he would get the hint when the majority of the forum has him ignored and can't stand him.
      That's not how trolls work...

      The ignore user option is a wildly underutilized tool that I recommend to anyone interested. Leave 'em hungry.
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      Quote Originally Posted by johnz1954 View Post
      First thing I looked for when I bought my XC60 was a spare! I ditched my 2 year old GLC43 AMG Mercedes due to horrible ride quality on the run flats(plus a lot of other issue on that piece of crap) and very few replacement tire options on this model.
      The RFTs on my 3 series were pretty nice. I'd far rather have a spare.
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      well.. my V90 came from Gothenburg, Sweden.. but yes, I also have CHAO YANG inside
      hope I don't need to use it.. anyway
      It's a spare tire.. not ment to be used for long time and speeding.. so it doesn't really matters
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      Checked my spare, the same crap, XC40 joined chao yang camp. I don't think I ever use the spare. I don't intend to change the wheel on highway, 99% of my driving in the city, so I'll just use Volvo on Call to tow the car to the dealer. So, honestly, I don't care what kind of spare I have.
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      How do we know the spare is "crap" - just because it is made by a Chinese company?

      40% of my Swedish built Volvo are parts built in China. So is nearly half my car crap? Is the smartphone or laptop (almost certainly built in China) many of you using to read this thread "crap"as well?

      Do any of you even know the brand or country-of-manufacture of the spares in your recent vehicles? I never had a flat in my last vehicle, so for all I know, I had poor Mr. Chao Yang tied up in that trunk as well.

      As an American, I have a visceral reaction to Chinese brands sometimes and as a fan of Volvo, if want to stay focused on European design and quality. But, globalization is here and a Chinese company is going to use the parts network they've established already.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Walkabout View Post
      How do we know the spare is "crap" - just because it is made by a Chinese company?

      40% of my Swedish built Volvo are parts built in China.

      How do you know this statistics?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Walkabout View Post
      How do we know the spare is "crap" - just because it is made by a Chinese company?

      40% of my Swedish built Volvo are parts built in China. So is nearly half my car crap? Is the smartphone or laptop (almost certainly built in China) many of you using to read this thread "crap"as well?

      Do any of you even know the brand or country-of-manufacture of the spares in your recent vehicles? I never had a flat in my last vehicle, so for all I know, I had poor Mr. Chao Yang tied up in that trunk as well.

      As an American, I have a visceral reaction to Chinese brands sometimes and as a fan of Volvo, if want to stay focused on European design and quality. But, globalization is here and a Chinese company is going to use the parts network they've established already.

      The difference is what the Chinese produce under license and what they themselves produce
      All laptops are made in China but it's just cheap labor. Even Chinese laptops have 50% of parts from the rest of the world
      You can buy a copy of iPhone or Samsung for $ 150 and the right price is $ 1000

      When you pay for premium class you expect to get a premium product as well, not some cheap product that has not been tested anywhere and may be dangerous to use

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      Quote Originally Posted by alex_v View Post
      How do you know this statistics?
      I believe it was on the sticker when I purchased the car. I can check when I get home from work but I'm pretty sure that was the source.

      I don't know if that information is on the sticker up in Canada though.
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      Guys..
      - Just because the tire is chinese it doesn't mean it's crap. For example, to be sold in the EU it has to comply with EU regulations.. meaning, it passed the standard tests to be approved.
      - I guess you guys in the US don't really like China (I'm not going into politics here).. but, the reality if that chinese components are every where!! As already said, if you look into your mobile phones, TVs, game consoles, radios, microwaves, ... etc etc etc.. LOTS of components are made in China (or near by) --- because.. they work a LOT.. they work for less money.. and they produce well.. not crap.
      (and I'm not talking about copies of iphones or whatever.. I'm talking about real legit chinese factories/manufacters..)

      so.. if you want to buy something without any chinese things inside.. good luck find it
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      Quote Originally Posted by ru1 View Post
      so.. if you want to buy something without any chinese things inside.. good luck find it
      BMW , Audi , of course not those made in China for their market
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      The difference is what the Chinese produce under license and what they themselves produce
      All laptops are made in China but it's just cheap labor. Even Chinese laptops have 50% of parts from the rest of the world
      You can buy a copy of iPhone or Samsung for $ 150 and the right price is $ 1000

      When you pay for premium class you expect to get a premium product as well, not some cheap product that has not been tested anywhere and may be dangerous to use

      READ THIS :
      https://mechanicbase.com/tires/tire-...id-purchasing/
      Ive got a Huawei phone and it has lasted longer and has performed better than any previous phone I've owned from Samsung, Apple, LG, HTC, or Motorola. If I could buy Huawei again I would but it looks like I'll have to go with OnePlus when this phone finally kicks the bucket.
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      This is from t the window sticker on my vehicle.


      Even if your XC60 was built in Sweden, most of the parts are Chinese.

      And I bet you those companies are no more or less reputable than chaoyang.


      Attachment 56255Attachment 56255

      Per Consumer Reports, the XC60 had pretty decent reliability. So, the Chinese parts are not a problem.

      EDIT: Odd, I can't see the attachment on my desktop but I can read it on my phone. No matter, the point is that the window sticker on US sold XC60s that are built in Sweden indicates 45% Chinese parts.
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      Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225 View Post
      Ive got a Huawei phone and it has lasted longer and has performed better than any previous phone I've owned from Samsung, Apple, LG, HTC, or Motorola. If I could buy Huawei again I would but it looks like I'll have to go with OnePlus when this phone finally kicks the bucket.
      Exactly, Huawei is great, but again depends on the EU and US companies whose parts they use
      In addition to telephony and telecommunication, please tell me 5 companies from China that are popular in the world
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      Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225 View Post
      Ive got a Huawei phone and it has lasted longer and has performed better than any previous phone I've owned from Samsung, Apple, LG, HTC, or Motorola. If I could buy Huawei again I would but it looks like I'll have to go with OnePlus when this phone finally kicks the bucket.
      Moto is a Chinese brand. Owned and built by a Chinese company. Iphones are largely manufactured in China. HTC is Taiwan (a Chinese culture) and even Samsung and LG sell phones that are built in China.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Exactly, Huawei is great, but again depends on the EU and US companies whose parts they use
      In addition to telephony and telecommunication, please tell me 5 companies from China that are popular in the world
      Volvo, Lenovo, AMC, Smithfield Foods, The Waldorf Astoria
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      Quote Originally Posted by Walkabout View Post
      Moto is a Chinese brand. Owned and built by a Chinese company. Iphones are largely manufactured in China. HTC is Taiwan (a Chinese culture) and even Samsung and LG sell phones that are built in China.
      I owned the Moto X when it was still owned by Google. It was not a good experience.
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      Even back then it was made in China! I had a moto Droid that was American built. Horrible phone.
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      Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225 View Post
      Volvo, Lenovo, AMC, Smithfield Foods, The Waldorf Astoria
      Please 5 Chinese brands, not what the Chinese have bought

      According to you, these are French brands:
      Bvlgari, FRED, Hublot, TAG Heuer, Jenith, Charles & Keith, Marc Jacobs, Thomas Pink ....... and ...... because they are owned by the French company LVMH And soon they will become owners of Tiffany & Co. , according to you, it is a French brand

      or

      According to you, Lamborghini, Ducati, Mini, Rolls-Royce are German brands

      I wonder what the reaction would be when you pay a premium brand car and the factory installed Chinese tires on them
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      If it is made in China, it is crap.

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      Awesome tip on how to ignore the crazy folks.

      Thanks.

      Quote Originally Posted by Walkabout View Post
      To add a poster to your ignore list, you just click on the name and then you'll see am option to ignore.

      Every car forum has a nutbag who spends the entire day trying to convince enthusiasts that their choice sucks. The first car that I really loved was an Acura TSX. When the car first became available, there was a Lexus IS owner who spent hours on Acurazine rambling about how all the published 0-60 times were wrong for the TSX. I sold the Acura and then got a 3-series. On Bimmerfest, we had a troll who interupted thread after thread to tell us how his Audi was the better vehicle.

      Usually, it is all about some yahoo who bought the competitive and feels threatened that others made a different choice.

      It's basically an inevitable event on car forums. So, best to ignore.

      As for the op, I thought his past was pretty cool. I never even noticed the spare. That's good attention to detail and made me look myself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225 View Post
      Volvo, Lenovo, AMC, Smithfield Foods, The Waldorf Astoria
      Please 5 Chinese brands, not what the Chinese have bought

      According to you, these are French brands:
      Bvlgari, FRED, Hublot, TAG Heuer, Jenith, Charles & Keith, Marc Jacobs, Thomas Pink ....... and ...... because they are owned by the French company LVMH <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> And soon they will become owners of Tiffany & Co. , according to you, it is a French brand

      or

      According to you, Lamborghini, Ducati, Mini, Rolls-Royce are German brands [IMG class=inlineimg]https://forums.swedespeed.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif[/IMG]

      I wonder what the reaction would be when you pay a premium brand car and the factory installed Chinese tires on them <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
      Same thing I'll do with the pirelli, use them for about 20k then get a good set of tires, assuming they will last that long.
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      Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225 View Post
      Same thing I'll do with the pirelli, use them for about 20k then get a good set of tires, assuming they will last that long.
      This is the highlight of everything
      This forum take smiles from the VW forum
      Ah yes, Volvo used 20 years of VW engines, maybe that's why

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      If it is made in China, it is crap.
      I think if you talk to anybody from Airbus to Ferrari, you'll find that isn't true. The general rule that companies have learned is that you get what you pay for. If you want Harbor Freight crap, you tell your supplier to skip the quality control and you'll be importing stuff made in backyard forges. If you tell them that you want the absolute best, nobody does better quality control than the Chinese.

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      Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225 View Post
      Same thing I'll do with the pirelli, use them for about 20k then get a good set of tires, assuming they will last that long.
      I'm at over 25K mi on pirellis and they're abused with trips to the desert, bad Baja roads, etc. They're all chunked up but I've repeatedly asked to replace them by the tire shop who keeps telling me they're ok and not even at the wear bar.

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      My XC60 T5 has the same space saver spare. Hope I’ll never have to use it, but good to have.

      So the other day when my boot was empty I decided to check the pressure in the spare. Recommended are 420kpa and it only had 250kpa!
      So please don’t forget to check the pressure in the spare from time to time!
      (No idea what kpa are in psi, please google yourself or check your booklet/door sticker)

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      Curious to see if Volvo is cutting cost on us, i googled the chinese words equivalent for ChaoYang. It seems that this brand has been established since 1966 (on their official site, in their milestones list).

      I saw quite some articles on them, didn't notice any negative ones, couple of interesting articles include ChaoYang is involvement in some rally races in China, and another one of a Lawsuit of ChaoYang suing another manufacturer over trademark infringement (obviously someone manufacture cheap replica of ChaoYang tyres).

      ChaoYang might not be as bad as we think.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rumpel View Post
      My XC60 T5 has the same space saver spare. Hope I’ll never have to use it, but good to have.

      So the other day when my boot was empty I decided to check the pressure in the spare. Recommended are 420kpa and it only had 250kpa!
      So please don’t forget to check the pressure in the spare from time to time!
      (No idea what kpa are in psi, please google yourself or check your booklet/door sticker)
      250 Kilopascal = 36.2 pound per square inch
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      BMW , Audi , of course not those made in China for their market
      BMW, Audi --> and the Bosch injection and electronics components that they use (that LOTs of brands use).. guess what.. most likely produced in china..
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      Quote Originally Posted by ru1 View Post
      BMW, Audi --> and the Bosch injection and electronics components that they use (that LOTs of brands use).. guess what.. most likely produced in china..
      You write without any evidence.
      Of course, there are products that are made in China but do not build into Audi cars for the EU market
      Even the electronics cables used are made at a factory in Algeria or Tunisia, not from China
      I think Volvo also uses the same electronics cables


      These are just some of the components from an Audi vehicle
      As you can see they are all made in Europe











      Of course you will find Chinese copies of these products on Aliexpress BUT IS ARE COPIES


      Even the Alibaba market sells ORIGINAL BOSCH parts manufactured in EU ( Germany or Czech Republic)

      https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...34b870bbCrO7bj

      https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...34b870bbCrO7bj
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