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      SPA premature brake wear

      Thinking of leasing a V60CC. Are these torque-vectoring, stability, AWD systems, etc. causing premature wear of pads and rotors on the new Volvos?
      I never had to service brakes during any of my 3 year lease periods of the last 4 Jaguars, and I drive 15kmi/year.
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      Not terribly, though i've seen one XC90 where the rears wore out faster than expected (apparently some of the electronics use the rear brakes more than the front)
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      The front rotors had to be replaced on my 2019 V60 T6 at 3000 miles due to warping.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MEPowell View Post
      The front rotors had to be replaced on my 2019 V60 T6 at 3000 miles due to warping.
      Did they cover that under warranty? I would argue that's a manufacturing defect. Now that you mention it, my Dad's V90 has a warped front rotor as well that needs to go in
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      My question would be why it warped with 3k miles
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      Quote Originally Posted by yidal8 View Post
      Thinking of leasing a V60CC. Are these torque-vectoring, stability, AWD systems, etc. causing premature wear of pads and rotors on the new Volvos?
      I never had to service brakes during any of my 3 year lease periods of the last 4 Jaguars, and I drive 15kmi/year.
      Depends on what you mean my premature. Check out the SPA XC90 and XC60 forums and there are many reports of rear pads wearing at 20-30k miles, which is now considered normal by Volvo. That doesn't count pad transfer situations or "warping" which can happen pretty much anytime. Given your 3 year lease, 15k miles a year, or 45k miles I'd think you'd be paying for a brake job along the way, or maybe purchase a service contract?
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      Iím about to lease a 2020 v60CC any day now that the vehicle is here. I will be turning in a 2017 v60CC with 41k using the pull ahead early return program. Had the car checked out by the dealer at 40k and no premature brake pad or rotor wear. I, too, drive 15k a year so anecdotally I would say no worries. Of course how we drive is critical and Iím no Sunday driver but my experience with the 2017 has been flawless. I just wish the dealer would get the certificate of origin so I can take delivery. Good luck with your choice.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kamil View Post
      My question would be why it warped with 3k miles
      That is my question as well. Drive-in auto car wash on hot days?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kamil View Post
      My question would be why it warped with 3k miles
      Poor quality parts or rotors and pads not being bedded properly.

      In most cases, the "warping" is actually pad transfer - a thin layer of pad material transfers to the rotor unevenly, creating high spots, which when braking give the sensation that the rotors are warped. When runout is measured out of spec then the rotors need to be replaced. In order to prevent this from happening, whenever you put new rotors on a car they should be accompanied by new pads and the new rotors and pads should be bedded - several stops from lower speeds and then higher speeds in order to apply a thin layer of pad material to the new rotors. Volvo does not recommend bedding new rotors and pads for new vehicles for some reason with the exception of the Polestar engineered cars.
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      Very well said Wayne. These warping issues as Iíve read them are not as much a warping of the actual metal but more the glazing of the pad material on the rotor causing an uneven surface. I guess Volvo doesnít recommend bedding brakes because itís not in the normal consumer expectation? Not saying I agree with that (and there shouldnít be these failures), just noting. I havenít read anything in the manual about breaking in brakes, if someone has seen this please point it out.

      Personally, Iím a fan of bedding brakes on new vehicles or after brake jobs. Itís about getting the pad and rotor used to each other. Hereís a couple links that talk about the process.

      https://www.yourmechanic.com/article...-in-brake-pads

      https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret....jsp?techid=85
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      Quote Originally Posted by JTMav View Post
      Iím about to lease a 2020 v60CC any day now that the vehicle is here. I will be turning in a 2017 v60CC with 41k using the pull ahead early return program. Had the car checked out by the dealer at 40k and no premature brake pad or rotor wear. I, too, drive 15k a year so anecdotally I would say no worries. Of course how we drive is critical and Iím no Sunday driver but my experience with the 2017 has been flawless. I just wish the dealer would get the certificate of origin so I can take delivery. Good luck with your choice.
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      City vs Highway makes huge difference. I am largely a highway driver (80%) so I face less stop and go traffic except during rush hour. Meaning my FWD wears heavily on front instead of rear. At 58K I had my first brake job. New Pads on Fronts (down to 3-4mm). Rear still at 8-9mm. Clearly, if AWD is engaged a lot, it should wear evenly. Albeit Volvo AWD system only engages back wheels if it senses need. Otherwise vehicle operates like a FWD.

      None the less, I hope to get a rear brake + full rotor job before 100K. Make use of the prepaid maintenance policy!

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      The '17 V60 (P3) and '20 V60 (SPA) are two very different generations so brake life most likely will be different. That said, the S/V60 SPA cars have not been out long enough to know about brake life but I would imagine it would compare more to other SPA cars.

      I've been watching pad life on my P3 XC60 and I just did the 50k mile service. I will need to replace the rear pads on that vehicle probably in another 10k miles.
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      I have a 2017 XC90 R Design. It was an OSD. I had to have the front rotors replaced at 10,000 miles due to pitting and warping and it was covered under warranty. I had to have them replaced at 40,000 miles again due to warping - again under warranty. I donít ride the brakes and never have had this problem on any other Volvo. Not sure the reason unless theyíre using poor quality parts...
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      I just took my 2019 XC60 T6 Inscription in for 10K service. I only had the vehicle for a year and the front and rear brakes had to be replaced. I was shocked. Seriously shocked. I live and drive in Los Angeles. Though we have a lot of traffic, my commute doesn't really cause me to be in stop and go traffic much. My 2013 GS350 F-Sport's brakes don't even wear that fast. Granted it's a totally different type of vehicle, but I've always heard (perhaps it's not true) that sports car brakes wear faster. I am not claiming the F-Sport to be a sports car, but it has components that are more akin to one than the regular GS350. I don't think (in my 24 years of driving) that I have ever had a vehicle where the brakes needed to be changed after one year.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tangierc View Post
      I just took my 2019 XC60 T6 Inscription in for 10K service. I only had the vehicle for a year and the front and rear brakes had to be replaced. I was shocked. Seriously shocked. I live and drive in Los Angeles. Though we have a lot of traffic, my commute doesn't really cause me to be in stop and go traffic much. My 201 GS350 F-Sport's brakes don't even wear that fast. Granted it's a totally different type of vehicle, but I've always heard (perhaps it's not true) that sports car brakes wear faster. I am not claiming the F-Sport to be a sports car, but it has components that are more akin to one than the regular GS350. I don't think (in my 24 years of driving) that I have ever had a vehicle where the brakes needed to be changed after one year.
      That is purely insane. The pads wear quicker than the tires??? I am worried big time now.

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      It was covered under warranty with no questions asked. I have the only 2019 V60's sold in this area because I special ordered it. They have had other issues wit S60 front rotors too. The other strange thing is that they had to replace the washer fluid reservoir due to the plastic dissolving into the fluid and covering the car in a white film. I was told it had something to do with the high pressure headlight washer system. The only other vehicle they have seen with the issue was a 2019 S60 with the same equipment as mine. It came in the next week after my complaint. The problem has not returned since the service.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JTMav View Post
      Iím about to lease a 2020 v60CC any day now that the vehicle is here. I will be turning in a 2017 v60CC with 41k using the pull ahead early return program. Had the car checked out by the dealer at 40k and no premature brake pad or rotor wear. I, too, drive 15k a year so anecdotally I would say no worries. Of course how we drive is critical and Iím no Sunday driver but my experience with the 2017 has been flawless. I just wish the dealer would get the certificate of origin so I can take delivery. Good luck with your choice.
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      Based on what I'm reading, I suspect your incoming SPA brakes will need more maintenance than the P3. This is the reason for my original question. Not impressed.
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      I think the answer to your questions is no... most of the complaints above have nothing to do with wear.

      I'm curious about the comment about using the rear as I can't see a reason for that. If anything I would think most of the systems would preference the front brakes in order to better maintain control of the vehicle.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DFrantz View Post
      I think the answer to your questions is no... most of the complaints above have nothing to do with wear.

      I'm curious about the comment about using the rear as I can't see a reason for that. If anything I would think most of the systems would preference the front brakes in order to better maintain control of the vehicle.
      Mini uses the rear brakes for cruise control. Not sure if Volvo is the same.
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      Thank you for the link. That was a very helpful.
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      Quote Originally Posted by jaep View Post
      Mini uses the rear brakes for cruise control. Not sure if Volvo is the same.
      I could see that. I was more thinking along the lines of stability control and such. Breaking from the rear could be better for adaptive cruise stability.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DFrantz View Post
      I think the answer to your questions is no... most of the complaints above have nothing to do with wear.

      I'm curious about the comment about using the rear as I can't see a reason for that. If anything I would think most of the systems would preference the front brakes in order to better maintain control of the vehicle.
      Hmmmm. The following cars we own/owned thru the years needed rear brake pads replacement before the fronts: 2013 xc70 t6 (one of the 4 rear pads was stuck and wore much faster. Otherwise, pads had 50% life all around at 28,000 mi.), 1991 Infiniti Q45, 2003 Infiniti M45, 2007 Infiniti G35X, 1988 Nissan Maxima wagon, 1990 Maxima SE 5-speed, 1985 SAAB 900 turbo 5-speed. Actually, can't remember last time the fronts wore first.
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