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      Trading in 2016 XC90 for a 2018 XC90

      Hi my dear wise friends, so I bought a cpo 2016 xc90 and in a less than 3 months owning it had some repairs done to it, brakes, oil gasket leak, door not opening had to replace the electric motor lock, and other smaller issues like the vent thingy falling out and of course some noise while driving, rattling here and there. Mind you that my vin gas no recalls on it, it was built in late April 2016 and engine number is not in the affected range for pistons.
      Now I complained to the GM and he offered to trade it back in and getting the 2018 instead. He will buy me out of this car with a bit of acquittal for me and I will buy the 2018 from scratch but for very discounted price. I end up losing money but 2018 had only 21k miles as opposed to 2016 with 41k.
      I just don’t know what to do and would love to hear opinions, I added P* and I will be losing that 😞

      Again 2016 Xc90 P* 41k miles fully loaded with safety features for 2018 xc90 21k miles similar features but no P* .

      I just don’t feel confident in my 2016 anymore but also don’t want to make a rush decision.



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      They're pretty much the same and prone to the same SPA car issues.

      I see these cars everyday, and while they are very luxurious they aren't volvos of the past. Little things are breaking all the time, not so much deadly engine stuff, but lots of other tech. The start/stop system is not really optimally designed on ALL models, frequent fuel pressure sensor issues, 02 sensors, thermostats. I haven't seen pistons on a SPA car yet but several P3 early Drive-E cars.

      I want to like these cars, but I'd be scared to own one out of warranty or CPO. I can't really fault Volvo, they went from making cars with bare bones technology to LOADED with Merc level tech in just one generation.

      With all that said, 2016 is easily the worst model to own.
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      ^An individual experience may be different for a specific VIN. But, there is no need to cast inaccurate dispersions and over-generalizations to taint the whole. ^

      There were over 95K MY16 XC90s built as production cars. If owners/lessors were having their vehicles professionally and routinely maintained and updated by competent and certified Volvo Service Centers, a used MY16 would be a fine vehicle for a second, third, fourth owner.

      I love my MY16 T8 and I own it and maintain itwith routine professional maintenance and Volvo parts. Sure there are maintenance and occasional warranty items, but Volvo has stood behind it every time.

      Volvo, like many other respectful OEMs, address those with continuous improvement, software updates and training.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      ^An individual experience may be different for a specific VIN. But, there is no need to cast inaccurate dispersions and over-generalizations to taint the whole. ^

      There were over 95K MY16 XC90s built as production cars. If owners/lessors were having their vehicles professionally and routinely maintained and updated by competent and certified Volvo Service Centers, a used MY16 would be a fine vehicle for a second, third, fourth owner.

      I love my MY16 T8 and I own it and maintain itwith routine professional maintenance and Volvo parts. Sure there are maintenance and occasional warranty items, but Volvo has stood behind it every time.

      Volvo, like many other respectful OEMs, address those with continuous improvement, software updates and training.
      Well said!
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      Quote Originally Posted by sollsken View Post
      Hi my dear wise friends, so I bought a cpo 2016 xc90 and in a less than 3 months owning it had some repairs done to it, brakes, oil gasket leak, door not opening had to replace the electric motor lock, and other smaller issues like the vent thingy falling out and of course some noise while driving, rattling here and there. Mind you that my vin gas no recalls on it, it was built in late April 2016 and engine number is not in the affected range for pistons.
      Now I complained to the GM and he offered to trade it back in and getting the 2018 instead. He will buy me out of this car with a bit of acquittal for me and I will buy the 2018 from scratch but for very discounted price. I end up losing money but 2018 had only 21k miles as opposed to 2016 with 41k.
      I just donít know what to do and would love to hear opinions, I added P* and I will be losing that 😞

      Again 2016 Xc90 P* 41k miles fully loaded with safety features for 2018 xc90 21k miles similar features but no P* .

      I just donít feel confident in my 2016 anymore but also donít want to make a rush decision.



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      Sounds pretty fair. You're outside Lemon Law and your only recourse would be to Ask Volvo Corporate for a trade assist or keep having problems fixed under warranty. Seems dealer is offering you a trade deal. Don't know specifics, but if you don't like the 2016 XC90, then upgrading might be a better option.

      Is the 2018 a CPO, too? Do remember, the old CPO (depending on when the 2016 was certified) went from 7yrs / 100K --> 5 yrs /unlimited miles.

      I only mention this because if the 2016 had the old CPO attached, then you'll lose that in favor of new CPO.

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      It is nice to be able to pay some money for better peace in mind. Looks ike you have hard time to trust the current car. MY2018 cars in general is improved significantly.

      As said above, CPO warranty is different on MY2018. You can extend CPO warranty to 8 or 10yr unlimited miles for about $2k+ but it is again some cost for you. You can ask if the dealer could give you some discount.

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      I agree 100% with the fact that MY 2016 T8 is much more reliable than T6 🙂
      I have a 5 year CPO on it but purchased extended warranty also, which if I chose to buy 2018 CPO I can transfer to that one.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      ^An individual experience may be different for a specific VIN. But, there is no need to cast inaccurate dispersions and over-generalizations to taint the whole. ^

      There were over 95K MY16 XC90s built as production cars. If owners/lessors were having their vehicles professionally and routinely maintained and updated by competent and certified Volvo Service Centers, a used MY16 would be a fine vehicle for a second, third, fourth owner.

      I love my MY16 T8 and I own it and maintain itwith routine professional maintenance and Volvo parts. Sure there are maintenance and occasional warranty items, but Volvo has stood behind it every time.

      Volvo, like many other respectful OEMs, address those with continuous improvement, software updates and training.

      I'm not trying to disrespect this particular year, model, or Volvo for that matter. I can say that I personally have seen many more 16 XC90s with common issues compared to later model years. I should've prefaced I am referring to the T6 and T5, not the T8. There are plenty of people who have been victim of the issues I listed. The OP asked if he should trade it, and I would say yes to a newer model.
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      Shouldnít be the fact that the 2016 XC90s are (obviously) older than the 2018 XC90s part of the reason why the 2016s are having more issues than 2018s? Wouldnít the 2016ís issues show up when the 2018ís gets 4 years of use?

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      If taking the plunge I would try to find a 19 CPO. The improved speed of the touch screen and ability to turn off start/stop forever are both big pluses for me. I wouldn't want to own any car outside of warranty these days, it's not just a Volvo thing. At the same time, even a pricey repair bill is less than a few months of payments. I just like warranties because then I look forward to the techs finding stuff and fixing it to make my car ride and drive like new without my wallet getting emptied.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sollsken View Post
      Hi my dear wise friends, so I bought a cpo 2016 xc90 and in a less than 3 months owning it had some repairs done to it, brakes, oil gasket leak, door not opening had to replace the electric motor lock, and other smaller issues like the vent thingy falling out and of course some noise while driving, rattling here and there. Mind you that my vin gas no recalls on it, it was built in late April 2016 and engine number is not in the affected range for pistons.
      Now I complained to the GM and he offered to trade it back in and getting the 2018 instead. He will buy me out of this car with a bit of acquittal for me and I will buy the 2018 from scratch but for very discounted price. I end up losing money but 2018 had only 21k miles as opposed to 2016 with 41k.
      I just donít know what to do and would love to hear opinions, I added P* and I will be losing that 😞

      Again 2016 Xc90 P* 41k miles fully loaded with safety features for 2018 xc90 21k miles similar features but no P* .

      I just donít feel confident in my 2016 anymore but also donít want to make a rush decision.



      Thank you my dears

      Tell GM you will do the deal - only if he removes P* from your 16 and puts it on the 18. I would think that is entirely possible. All he can say is no!
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      So guys, I got carfax on the 2018 CPO and it says damage to the rear reported, so the carfax isn’t clean. I guess damage doesn’t equal accident but is it still bad? Also if it got certified it must be fine right? Please let me know what think!

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      Quote Originally Posted by sollsken View Post
      So guys, I got carfax on the 2018 CPO and it says damage to the rear reported, so the carfax isnít clean. I guess damage doesnít equal accident but is it still bad? Also if it got certified it must be fine right? Please let me know what think!
      If damage is only on the plastic bumper cover then it is nothing. If the rear body and frame is impacted then it is big thing. But I doubt it can still be certified if so.

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      [/QUOTE]If damage is only on the plastic bumper cover then it is nothing. If the rear body and frame is impacted then it is big thing. But I doubt it can still be certified if so.

      That’s what I am thinking, no way would it be a CPO if there is body or frame damage. I like this car a lot and that’s the only thing stopping me from having it, I wish I had no doubts.

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      If damage is only on the plastic bumper cover then it is nothing. If the rear body and frame is impacted then it is big thing. But I doubt it can still be certified if so.

      Thatís what I am thinking, no way would it be a CPO if there is body or frame damage. I like this car a lot and thatís the only thing stopping me from having it, I wish I had no doubts.

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      According to the Volvo website, the vehicle history report is used to screen for frame and structural damage. I do not think that damage to a lift gate or fender would qualify as structural.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sollsken View Post
      So guys, I got carfax on the 2018 CPO and it says damage to the rear reported, so the carfax isnít clean. I guess damage doesnít equal accident but is it still bad? Also if it got certified it must be fine right? Please let me know what think!
      Couple Suggestions:

      If the body shop is listed on the CarFax, give them a call, and ask for the work order. Or a description of what was repaired.

      If you cant find the body shop, call the local police department and find if there was an accident report on the vehicle.

      Having this benefits you in two ways. If there is damage, and it was merely a bumper cover, having proof would boost future resale value. Because you can show the vehicle didn't suffer any major damage. Otherwise, someone reads the car fax, and wonders the extent of damage.

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      I'd pick 2018 over 2016 in a heartbeat, if all else is equal. First year models tend to be lemons by definition (apologies to all 2016 owners who happened to be lucky.)
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      Trading in 2016 XC90 for a 2018 XC90

      ^ @stick_shift

      You and I just cancel each other out.

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      I tried calling Volvo of Santa Monica (That’s where the 2018 came from) to get more info and of course no one agreed to talk to me 🏼
      The only thing stopping me is damage to the rear on 2018 and my salesman is telling me to not get a car with not clean carfax. Soooo... I guess I have to wait for the next one that meets my needs and not too much of a financial hit for me. Thank you guys for keeping an eye out for this thread. I will be back soon for more advice, once I find the car I like

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      Quote Originally Posted by sollsken View Post
      I tried calling Volvo of Santa Monica (Thatís where the 2018 came from) to get more info and of course no one agreed to talk to me 🏼
      The only thing stopping me is damage to the rear on 2018 and my salesman is telling me to not get a car with not clean carfax. Soooo... I guess I have to wait for the next one that meets my needs and not too much of a financial hit for me. Thank you guys for keeping an eye out for this thread. I will be back soon for more advice, once I find the car I like
      Try calling the Santa Monica Police Department and ask for a copy of the accident report. Should be public record. Could give you an idea of what happened to the vehicle if still interested.

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      Hi guys I am back 🙂 so having more troubles with my 2016 T6 😞
      What do you guys think about 2016 T8 ( 40k miles) ? More reliable than T6?
      I have this option or a 2017 momentum plus with bowers and Wilkins. (26k miles)
      I am just trying to stay in a bracket financially since I will have to be trading in my current car.
      Thank you!
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      Quote Originally Posted by comp1 View Post
      Tell GM you will do the deal - only if he removes P* from your 16 and puts it on the 18. I would think that is entirely possible. All he can say is no!
      It is a cost to the dealer, as Volvo will not refund the P* tune after 30 days.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sollsken View Post
      Hi guys I am back 🙂 so having more troubles with my 2016 T6 😞
      What do you guys think about 2016 T8 ( 40k miles) ? More reliable than T6?
      I have this option or a 2017 momentum plus with bowers and Wilkins. (26k miles)
      I am just trying to stay in a bracket financially since I will have to be trading in my current car.
      Thank you!
      There are hybrid power train parts on T8 so reliability is not as good as T6 theoretically. For example, a hybrid coolant thermostat has been replaced by service action to new parts. A high-voltage coolant heater is reported to need replacement for some people. A few rare cases of charging module, ERAD motor replacement are also reported here. But if within warranty, no need to worry.
      So it is not much different from T6 in reality.

      Of course I like T8 a lot and T8 CPO price is not that much more than T6 I think.
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      Quote Originally Posted by FusionRedXC60 View Post
      If damage is only on the plastic bumper cover then it is nothing. If the rear body and frame is impacted then it is big thing. But I doubt it can still be certified if so.

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      Quote Originally Posted by stick_shift View Post
      I'd pick 2018 over 2016 in a heartbeat, if all else is equal. First year models tend to be lemons by definition (apologies to all 2016 owners who happened to be lucky.)
      Ummm...see my signature? Sorry my 2001 V70 T5 (1st year for that car, brand new chassis, etc) is still kicking butt at 178,000 miles, original engine, original turbo, original clutch, just got its 3rd battery over its lifespan, rear brake rotors replaced at 100,000 miles...Perhaps, it has lost a tenth or two of a second from its original 0-60 but still pulls like a wild horse.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GrecianVolvo View Post
      Ummm...see my signature? Sorry my 2001 V70 T5 (1st year for that car, brand new chassis, etc) is still kicking butt at 178,000 miles, original engine, original turbo, original clutch, just got its 3rd battery over its lifespan, rear brake rotors replaced at 100,000 miles...Perhaps, it has lost a tenth or two of a second from its original 0-60 but still pulls like a wild horse.
      +1

      Also, out of the ~ 95K MY16 XC90s, I suspect there are tens of thousands well-maintained and well-running MY16 XC90s. Depending on oneís budget, options, needs and wants, et al., MY16s are a great used car choice.

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      I wouldn't buy a car with damage on a car fax unless it was for a very good deal and I was going to keep it for a very long time. It just has too much affect on trade in and resale value. Now, if you plan to keep it for 10 years and you are saving a few grand in doing so, it can be a great deal for you... but most folks don't keep a car long enough to overcome to deprecation of the damage.

      As for polestar... all removing it from the trade would do is to make your current XC90 worth less..... you can not simply swap it to another car.
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