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      Advantages of 0W20 over 5W30?

      I’ve decided that I’m going to do my own oil changes. Is there any advantage to using the Volvo spec’d 0W20 over the A5/B5 spec 5W30 that the manual says is acceptable for the US? Trying to decide if it’s worth the extra effort ordering the Volvo spec 0W20 or just getting an A5/B5 5W30 at Walmart.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BriDroid View Post
      I’ve decided that I’m going to do my own oil changes. Is there any advantage to using the Volvo spec’d 0W20 over the A5/B5 spec 5W30 that the manual says is acceptable for the US? Trying to decide if it’s worth the extra effort ordering the Volvo spec 0W20 or just getting an A5/B5 5W30 at Walmart.

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      I would say for you, living in Texas? There is no advantage. The 5W to 0W is for very cold, freezing climates. Also the thinner 20 weight oil could be worse due to your hot climate in regards to oil film strength and sheering of the oil (bad) so I would just run the 5W30. No advantage for you to go to the thinner oil.

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      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      I would say for you, living in Texas? There is no advantage. The 5W to 0W is for very cold, freezing climates. Also the thinner 20 weight oil could be worse due to your hot climate in regards to oil film strength and sheering of the oil (bad) so I would just run the 5W30. No advantage for you to go to the thinner oil.
      In the 15-16s Volvo recommends 0w20 due to the oil consumption issue that may develop. But I don't believe this applies to vehicles outside that window.

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      Apparently in Europe 0w-20 is called for vs here where in the past 5w-30 was good. My Volvo Dealer just finished my 2nd year service and the paperwork said that they used 3w-30. I asked the service advisor about that. She checked and indicated that they actually used 0w-20. So it must have auto filled the paperwork. Around Santa Barbara hitting below 40 degrees is a rare event. I am happy either way as the quality is good either way. Lower viscosity with all other things being equal would suggest better flow characteristics. Tolerances could be very tight on this particular engine. Also I imagine that the oil we add also helps to lubricate the turbo. Not sure about the supercharger. The Acura NSX new version 2017 and later has a V6 that is turbo charged and puts out 500hp. It has a dry stump oil system and calls for 0w-40 which represents a wide swing. It was built by Cosworth and costs $90k to replace. So I will use the appropriate oil. An oil change costs $500
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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post

      In the 15-16s Volvo recommends 0w20 due to the oil consumption issue that may develop. But I don't believe this applies to vehicles outside that window.
      I’m a Volvo dealer and I have never heard a recommendation of 0w20 for the 2015-16 cars due to oil consumption. Perhaps after engine replacement if ever needed.

      We (the dealer) were instructed to use 0w20 weight for the 2019+ cars and that was due to the gas mileage the 2019+ is rated.

      In Europe, 0w30 or 0w20 is what is recommend for these cars and 0w20 for North America only because 0w30 is hard for Castrol North America to come by. So the “fix” for lack of supply was to use the 0w20 solely. 5w30, 0w30, 0w20, it’s all fine.

      Liquimoly (Euro oil manufacture) makes an official Volvo certified oil for the SPA cars in 0w30. They call it “Spec V” and is the only oil in the world (or at that time we’re the first) to get Volvo’s Official certification. I use this in my XC90 in 0w30.

      As a side note, I run 0w40 in my modified S60 P3 (400hp) for the protection characteristics of that weight and to help combat the added stress my S60 creates due to the higher power level and 0w30 in my 2018 XC90. Most higher end sports cars use 0w40 like the GTR, M3/4, AMG for this very reason.

      My personal experience with 0w20 is that A) it burns and shear too quickly for a turbo application and B) Volvo recommends 0w30- 0w40 Weights in Europe anyway because it’s readily available and those weights are less volatile to fatigue from oil samples I’ve had taken from my past cars after track use.

      At the end of the day, just do what the manual says and then there’s zero chance of any negative fallout with your car and warranty if the needs arises. 🙂
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      Advantages of 0W20 over 5W30?

      I thought the oil that is Volvo VCC RBS0-2AE is made by:
      Castrol
      Motul
      Liqui-moly
      Ravenol
      To name a few. Not just liqui moly exclusive. And as far as I know the approved viscosity was 0w20 for all the above oils.


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      Now that my first three dealer oil changes have "expired", I am switching to Liquimoly 0w30 "Spec V". Sticking with the 30 weight for the extra stress of pulling a travel trailer in the hot summers in Utah. Readily available on Amazon.

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      The manual is weird. It says “ Extreme engine operation Volvo oil VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W20 is recommended for extreme driving conditions.” The problem is it never defines what is extreme? Then before that it says “Full synthetic engine oil meeting the minimum ACEA A5/B5 must be used. Lower quality oils may not offer the same fuel economy, engine performance, or engine protection.” “Incorrect viscosity oil can shorten engine life under normal use. SAE 5W-30 will provide good fuel economy and engine protection.”

      I remember reading somewhere that the 2.0L engines ship from Sweden with the 0W20 oil. Then the US service departments change that over to Castrol Edge Professional 5W30 at the first oil change. I’ve found a “oil change kit” with 6 liters of the Liqui Moly Tech V 0W20, an OEM oil filter, and a crush washer for a decent price. I’m just not sure if there would be a benefit to running the VCC RBS0-2AE spec oil or just a A5/B5 5W30 oil. I am planning on changing it out around 7,000 miles instead of the 10,000. I just have a hard time running oil that long in a twin-charged engine.
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      From Volvo:

      All model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles for the U.S. and Canadian markets are delivered from the factory with Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Any services or repairs on model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles requiring the replacement of engine oil must be performed using only Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Volvo will not pay any oil maintenance claims that are performed without using Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.

      All model year vehicles (2015-) with a VEP(4Cylinder) engine that require engine replacement or engine rebuild must use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil. It is required to notify the customer of this change for future maintenance services.

      It is acceptable to use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil on all model year VEP 4 cylinder 2.0L engines.

      The vehicle’s Owner’s Manual currently reflects the global recommendation for oil viscosity.
      The U.S. and Canadian markets will follow the extreme driving conditions recommendation.

      As noted in the vehicles owner’s manual.
      Extreme driving conditions:
      Volvo’s VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W20 oil is recommended for extreme conditions

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      Volvo should provide all 2019 and 2020 oil changes for free because it is almost impossible to get Castrol Professional in the consumer space.
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      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      I’m a Volvo dealer and I have never heard a recommendation of 0w20 for the 2015-16 cars due to oil consumption.

      We (the dealer) were instructed to use 0w20 weight for the 2020+ cars and that was due to the gas mileage the 2020 is rated.

      In Europe, 0w30 is what is recommend for these cars and 0w20 for North America only because 0w30 is hard for Castrol North America to come by. So the “fix” for lack of supply was to use the 0w20 instead.

      Liquimoly (Euro oil manufacture) makes an official Volvo certified oil for the SPA cars in 0w30. They call it “Spec V” and is the only oil in the world to get Volvo’s Official certification. I use this in my XC90.

      As a side note, I run 0w40 in my modified S60 P3 (400hp) for the protection characteristics of that weight and to help combat the added stress my S60 creates due to the higher power level and 0w30 in my 2018 XC90. Most higher end sports cars use 0w40 like the GTR, M3/4, AMG for this very reason.

      My personal experience with 0w20 is that A) it burns and shear too quickly for a turbo application and B) Volvo recommends 0w30- 0w40 Weights in Europe anyway because it’s readily available and those weights are less volatile to fatigue from oil samples I’ve had taken from my past cars after track use.

      At the end of the day, just do what the manual says and then there’s zero chance of any negative fallout with your car and warranty if the needs arises. 🙂
      See Tech's reply. My dealer used 0w20 on my latest oil change per my request. The recommendation is in force for those whose cars have required piston rings / new engine. However, it is acceptable to use in all vehicles that have not displayed these problems. Knock on wood, I have had no issues, but would prefer to keep my vehicle problem free. Thus, I requested switching oil at 60K from 5w30 to 0w20.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      From Volvo:

      All model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles for the U.S. and Canadian markets are delivered from the factory with Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Any services or repairs on model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles requiring the replacement of engine oil must be performed using only Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Volvo will not pay any oil maintenance claims that are performed without using Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.

      All model year vehicles (2015-) with a VEP(4Cylinder) engine that require engine replacement or engine rebuild must use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil. It is required to notify the customer of this change for future maintenance services.

      It is acceptable to use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil on all model year VEP 4 cylinder 2.0L engines.

      The vehicle’s Owner’s Manual currently reflects the global recommendation for oil viscosity.
      The U.S. and Canadian markets will follow the extreme driving conditions recommendation.

      As noted in the vehicles owner’s manual.
      Extreme driving conditions:
      Volvo’s VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W20 oil is recommended for extreme conditions
      Thanks for posting that for EdVQ37 benefit.

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      Quote Originally Posted by inteller View Post
      Volvo should provide all 2019 and 2020 oil changes for free because it is almost impossible to get Castrol Professional in the consumer space.
      https://www.castrol.com/en_us/united...des/0w-20.html

      Click on what you want, it'll bring up a map, then enter your zip code. Castrol claims 0w20 is sold at many retailers.

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      And if you go get Castrol edge oil changes done elsewhere, or done yourself, volvo is still not going to honor any sort of oil warranty claims. Really surprised they havent been sued to provide free changes. BMW has to through the entire warranty. Volvo just does the first 3 which doesn't cover up to the 50k mi.

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      I think I’m going to try the Liqui-Moly Special Tech V 0W20 that meets the Volvo VCC RBS0-2AE spec. I can get 6 liters, an OEM oil filter and crush washer shipped to my door for under $57.
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      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      In Europe, 0w30 is what is recommend for these cars and 0w20 for North America only because 0w30 is hard for Castrol North America to come by. So the “fix” for lack of supply was to use the 0w20 instead.
      In Belgium, only 0W20 one oil is specified in the manual for the XC90: 0W20.
      I believe this is so for the entire EU.
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      Quote Originally Posted by rkohou View Post
      I thought the oil that is Volvo VCC RBS0-2AE is made by:
      Castrol
      Motul
      Liqui-moly
      Ravenol
      To name a few. Not just liqui moly exclusive. And as far as I know the approved viscosity was 0w20 for all the above oils.

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      Perhaps. At one time it was just Lquimoly. May be more now.

      Approved oil weights are 0w20, 0w30, 0w40 and 5w30. All of which are highlighted in the manuals depending which version you have.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Zahra View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      In Europe, 0w30 is what is recommend for these cars and 0w20 for North America only because 0w30 is hard for Castrol North America to come by. So the “fix” for lack of supply was to use the 0w20 instead.
      In Belgium, only 0W20 one oil is specified in the manual for the XC90: 0W20.
      I believe this is so for the entire EU.
      I see. Perhaps it depends on country. My manuals have many “approved” weights advertised. I think it might be a climate/region specific thing.

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      My daughter just got a 2016 XC90 T6 Momentum from a Volvo dealership; they bought an extended warranty as well. The car is driven highway miles mainly ( 50 ) miles per day plus other miscellaneous trips. We live in Georgia; no extreme temps and no severe driving conditions.

      Would we be ok using a Castrol synthetic 5w-30 that meets the A5/B5 specs?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tmcdonald View Post
      My daughter just got a 2016 XC90 T6 Momentum from a Volvo dealership; they bought an extended warranty as well. The car is driven highway miles mainly ( 50 ) miles per day plus other miscellaneous trips. We live in Georgia; no extreme temps and no severe driving conditions.

      Would we be ok using a Castrol synthetic 5w-30 that meets the A5/B5 specs?
      Yup. 5w30 is perfectly fine. As per the owners manual that’s one of the acceptable grades.

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      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      I think it might be a climate/region specific thing.
      That's what I think too, but seen the wide range of expected temperatures in the US it
      is somewhat strange that only one viscosity range would be specified.
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      I'll be sticking with the thicker oil for sure.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zahra View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      I think it might be a climate/region specific thing.
      That's what I think too, but seen the wide range of expected temperatures in the US it
      is somewhat strange that only one viscosity range would be specified.
      Yup. In Texas like OP mentioned, 0w20 is going to be way too thin for his temps but Volvo doesn’t seem to care too much about it. I guess it’s easier for castrol to just supply a couple weights than having to stock multiple weights. Manufactures are all about cost cutting in this day and age unfortunately.

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      0w20 is recommended for fuel economy reasons (<1.0% improvement over 5w30) and to help meet Volvo's stated carbon goals. I'll stick with 5w30 in the TX heat and mild winters.

      For comparison, my 2019 1.8L supercharged boat (250 hp) requires 10w40 to support continuous operation at 6k - 8k RPMs. Shear at temp is real.
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      If the readings that I obtained via OBD and Torque were correct, then the T5 engine runs a lot cooler (about 85°C)
      than the 2.5T of our XC70 (105°C).
      The dynamic viscosity of 0W20 at 85°C is about the same as that of 5W30 at 105°C (data from Total lubricants).
      So if (big if) the current pertol engines do indeed run much cooler, 0W20 gives them the same protection as 5W30
      did in engines of the previous generation.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      From Volvo:

      All model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles for the U.S. and Canadian markets are delivered from the factory with Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Any services or repairs on model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles requiring the replacement of engine oil must be performed using only Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Volvo will not pay any oil maintenance claims that are performed without using Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.

      All model year vehicles (2015-) with a VEP(4Cylinder) engine that require engine replacement or engine rebuild must use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil. It is required to notify the customer of this change for future maintenance services.

      It is acceptable to use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil on all model year VEP 4 cylinder 2.0L engines.

      The vehicle’s Owner’s Manual currently reflects the global recommendation for oil viscosity.
      The U.S. and Canadian markets will follow the extreme driving conditions recommendation.

      As noted in the vehicles owner’s manual.
      Extreme driving conditions:
      Volvo’s VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W20 oil is recommended for extreme conditions
      Thanks for posting that for EdVQ37 benefit.
      Tech’s post is highlighting requirements Volvo set out for reimbursement to the dealerships for “maintenance free services” on the 2019+ vehicles. IF the vehicle was purchased with care free Maintenance.

      If the vehicle was purchased without care free maintenance then 5w30 is still in appropriate and applicable wait regardless of the model year.

      My original post was for the OP with long term reliability in mind. He’s in Texas and 0w20 is going to be too thin in my opinion.

      Regardless if Volvo says it’s fine. I’m sure 0w20 is fine for most climates but I cringe at the though of a 20 weight oil in a hot climate like Texas.

      I have a feeling the 0w20 is cheaper for Volvo to purchase than to continue with filling the cars with 5w30...I wouldn’t be surprised if the push for 0w20 had more to do with cutting cost than anything.

      Thanks for your concern though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by lamarguy View Post
      0w20 is recommended for fuel economy reasons (<1.0% improvement over 5w30) and to help meet Volvo's stated carbon goals. I'll stick with 5w30 in the TX heat and mild winters.

      For comparison, my 2019 1.8L supercharged boat (250 hp) requires 10w40 to support continuous operation at 6k - 8k RPMs. Shear at temp is real. <img src="http://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
      THANK YOU. That’s what I was trying to say this entire time.

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      Quote Originally Posted by EdVQ37 View Post
      Tech’s post is highlighting requirements Volvo set out for reimbursement to the dealerships for “maintenance free services” on the 2019+ vehicles. IF the vehicle was purchased with care free Maintenance.

      If the vehicle was purchased without care free maintenance then 5w30 is still in appropriate and applicable wait regardless of the model year.

      My original post was for the OP with long term reliability in mind. He’s in Texas and 0w20 is going to be too thin in my opinion.

      Regardless if Volvo says it’s fine. I’m sure 0w20 is fine for most climates but I cringe at the though of a 20 weight oil in a hot climate like Texas.

      I have a feeling the 0w20 is cheaper for Volvo to purchase than to continue with filling the cars with 5w30...I wouldn’t be surprised if the push for 0w20 had more to do with cutting cost than anything.

      Thanks for your concern though.
      1. 0w20 is what Volvo uses over in Europe I believe?

      2. U.S. has a huge swing in regions / climates. Other than the southern half of the U.S., most places are pretty cold in fall + winter. But then summers are hot almost everywhere except in the extreme Northern U.S.

      Mid and Southern Florida, Mid and Southern Texas, Southern Arizona, Southern California, and the Lower Southern East Coast of course stay warm and are very hot in summer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post

      1. 0w20 is what Volvo uses over in Europe I believe?

      2. U.S. has a huge swing in regions / climates. Other than the southern half of the U.S., most places are pretty cold in fall + winter. But then summers are hot almost everywhere except in the extreme Northern U.S.

      Mid and Southern Florida, Mid and Southern Texas, Southern Arizona, Southern California, and the Lower Southern East Coast of course stay warm and are very hot in summer.
      They run all kinds of weights of oil defending on region. 0w30/0w40 is a common and highly used weight in Europe with manufactures including Volvo.


      Exactly what I said. fine for most climates but for Texas I wouldn't go lower than a 30 weight. Just my educated opinion.

      I’ve done my own oil sample analysis for 5w30 on my S60 when run hot in extreme cases like track use (use of motor above 6000 rpm) and it yelled poor results with high volatility in regards to to shearing under load and oil film protection.

      I couldn’t imagine a turbo/supercharged 4 cylinder in a Texas Summer running 20 weight oil...ouch.
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      The info is from the Spanish and the Swedish manual for a MY2018 XC90. Both only list 0W20.
      Since these 2 countries have a much different climate, I suppose Volvo only specs 0W20 in the entire EU.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zahra View Post
      The info is from the Spanish and the Swedish manual for a MY2018 XC90. Both only list 0W20.
      Since these 2 countries have a much different climate, I suppose Volvo only specs 0W20 in the entire EU.
      This is a picture of my owners manual from a 2018 XC90 T6 R-design.

      5w30, 0w30 and 0w20 are all applicable and perfectly fine for use in my Canadian spec Volvo.


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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      From Volvo:

      All model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles for the U.S. and Canadian markets are delivered from the factory with Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Any services or repairs on model year 2019 and 2020 vehicles requiring the replacement of engine oil must be performed using only Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.
      Volvo will not pay any oil maintenance claims that are performed without using Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil.

      All model year vehicles (2015-) with a VEP(4Cylinder) engine that require engine replacement or engine rebuild must use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil. It is required to notify the customer of this change for future maintenance services.

      It is acceptable to use Castrol Edge Professional V 0W-20 Synthetic oil on all model year VEP 4 cylinder 2.0L engines.

      The vehicle’s Owner’s Manual currently reflects the global recommendation for oil viscosity.
      The U.S. and Canadian markets will follow the extreme driving conditions recommendation.

      As noted in the vehicles owner’s manual.
      Extreme driving conditions:
      Volvo’s VCC RBS0-2AE/SAE 0W20 oil is recommended for extreme conditions
      Thanks for posting that for EdVQ37 benefit.
      It was for everyone's benefit. Your post made it sound like they changed the spec when that is not accurate.

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