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      Some M66 Swap/2000 Angle Gear Questions

      I recently picked up an M66 for my 2000 V70R, and I have a couple questions about this swap as I gather parts...

      1- any input on what clutch disk to use? From what I understand, I can keep my 850R pressure plate (currently running an M56) and my single mass flywheel. I read something about needing to modify the disk somehow, but no details.

      2- clutch line... will the internal slave P80 clutch line (9181324) work with the P2R M66?

      3- anyone know where to get Hussein Holland's P80 M66 side mount bracket these days? Last I heard, Re-Volv had the design, but I haven't seen anything. I'll look into this as well, but it couldn't hurt to ask!

      4- Now the fun stuff... angle gears. I read the AWD component thread on here, so I know which passenger side axle I'll need if I use a 2000 angle gear, but I never had an angle gear or driveshaft for my car. From what I understand, I can use the '99 version if I wanted, but the downpipe will need to be modified. Is there anything else that will need to be changed?
      Also, is the '99 version any weaker than the 2000? Ideally, I'll find a 2000 XC to get these parts from, but worst case, I'll have to get the parts from a '99.
      The other option is an S60R angle gear I have access to... will that work on a P80? I haven't found much info on that.

      I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting, but these are the main things I wanted to clarify as I gather parts.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      I recently picked up an M66 for my 2000 V70R, and I have a couple questions about this swap as I gather parts...

      1- any input on what clutch disk to use? From what I understand, I can keep my 850R pressure plate (currently running an M56) and my single mass flywheel. I read something about needing to modify the disk somehow, but no details.

      2- clutch line... will the internal slave P80 clutch line (9181324) work with the P2R M66?

      3- anyone know where to get Hussein Holland's P80 M66 side mount bracket these days? Last I heard, Re-Volv had the design, but I haven't seen anything. I'll look into this as well, but it couldn't hurt to ask!

      4- Now the fun stuff... angle gears. I read the AWD component thread on here, so I know which passenger side axle I'll need if I use a 2000 angle gear, but I never had an angle gear or driveshaft for my car. From what I understand, I can use the '99 version if I wanted, but the downpipe will need to be modified. Is there anything else that will need to be changed?
      Also, is the '99 version any weaker than the 2000? Ideally, I'll find a 2000 XC to get these parts from, but worst case, I'll have to get the parts from a '99.
      The other option is an S60R angle gear I have access to... will that work on a P80? I haven't found much info on that.

      I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting, but these are the main things I wanted to clarify as I gather parts.
      Need p80 AG for the ratio, p2 is different and will bind the driveline. Can use 99 or 00 AG, axle to match from aw42 awd car.

      Might be better to sell the 850 stuff and go single mass flywheel and p2r clutch, the latter being off the shelf and like $250 while 850 manual stuff is getting expensive and rare. The clutch and trans change from a 20 to a 23 spline input shaft.


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      1- Agree with Will I would dump all the 850 stuff and get P2 stuff if you are going to do this. Gonna be $$$$ but really the right way to do this.

      2- I think that is the same line I used on my M66D.

      3 - Hussein used a P1 trans so those mounts won't work.

      5 - Yeah I added 5. You are going to have a problem with your shift cables. This was by far the biggest problem I encountered with my 850R and will apply exactly the same to you. P1 cables don't work with a P2 trans. P80 cables don't work with a P2 trans. P2 cables don't fit a P80 shifter. P2 shifter doesn't bolt into a P80. P2 cables are too long for P80. Basically you are going to have to do what I did in my 850R. Because the cables are too long, they are a bit bound up. It's not terrible but the shifter doesn't freely return to center on its own which I'm not happy with. Yes I've seen what Hussein did with his cables but that's going to have play in it. The ball and socket is there for a reason.



      I am also a bit confused as to why you are heading in this direction. Honestly I would sell the M66 and get a Quaife and some sticky tires. It will be cheaper, easier, improve your fuel economy, and make your car 600 lb lighter. I've done enough driving in my T-5R with an extra 600lb of people and luggage in it to know that I am very glad I don't have an extra 600lb in the car all the time.....before I even start adding passengers/cargo. This is a lot of work and I'm not really sure what you are going to gain. Yes, I know Andy is going to jump on me for saying this (again).....but Andy also lives in upstate NY and I've seen the pictures of the conditions he drives around in so AWD seems a lot more legit for his purposes.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      Need p80 AG for the ratio, p2 is different and will bind the driveline. Can use 99 or 00 AG, axle to match from aw42 awd car.

      Might be better to sell the 850 stuff and go single mass flywheel and p2r clutch, the latter being off the shelf and like $250 while 850 manual stuff is getting expensive and rare. The clutch and trans change from a 20 to a 23 spline input shaft.


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      Ok, I figured there was a good reason that the P2 AG wouldn't work aside from "it doesn't fit" or something.

      I have a single mass currently, so I would just have to get the S60R clutch, then.
      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      1- Agree with Will I would dump all the 850 stuff and get P2 stuff if you are going to do this. Gonna be $$$$ but really the right way to do this.

      2- I think that is the same line I used on my M66D.

      3 - Hussein used a P1 trans so those mounts won't work.

      5 - Yeah I added 5. You are going to have a problem with your shift cables. This was by far the biggest problem I encountered with my 850R and will apply exactly the same to you. P1 cables don't work with a P2 trans. P80 cables don't work with a P2 trans. P2 cables don't fit a P80 shifter. P2 shifter doesn't bolt into a P80. P2 cables are too long for P80. Basically you are going to have to do what I did in my 850R. Because the cables are too long, they are a bit bound up. It's not terrible but the shifter doesn't freely return to center on its own which I'm not happy with. Yes I've seen what Hussein did with his cables but that's going to have play in it. The ball and socket is there for a reason.



      I am also a bit confused as to why you are heading in this direction. Honestly I would sell the M66 and get a Quaife and some sticky tires. It will be cheaper, easier, improve your fuel economy, and make your car 600 lb lighter. I've done enough driving in my T-5R with an extra 600lb of people and luggage in it to know that I am very glad I don't have an extra 600lb in the car all the time.....before I even start adding passengers/cargo. This is a lot of work and I'm not really sure what you are going to gain. Yes, I know Andy is going to jump on me for saying this (again).....but Andy also lives in upstate NY and I've seen the pictures of the conditions he drives around in so AWD seems a lot more legit for his purposes.
      The way I was looking at it is that it's a waste of a perfectly good AWD chassis to keep it FWD, especially with the weight of the diff and VC. The car feels heavy and slow to me as it is, and the weight is the only thing that's leaving me uncertain. I know both of you guys know I've been back and forth a lot with this, and every time I think I'm certain with which direction I want to go, I doubt myself.
      At the same time I would do this swap, I would also be installing the K24 I have once it's been rebuilt. I figure that would be the best time to do it since the engine and trans would already be out of the car. That would help overcome the weight, but I've always preferred less weight to more power. I mean, even my 162 hp 940 turbo feels kinda quick, weighing probably 800 pounds less than my R.

      I'm looking to keep costs down (I have a lot into this car as it is) but I don't want to do anything I won't be happy with. I'm already not thrilled with the current setup, even though it drives really well. It's still too slow for me and it feels too heavy. My old GLT felt much lighter and more nimble. Plus my suspension setup leaves it pretty bouncy/floaty over large bumps... I really don't like that. I think it's because I just have nivomat drop spacers in the rear.
      When it comes down to delta link swap versus M66 swap, I'm leaning far towards the M66. However, if I get rid of the diff and VC, that will cut a lot of the extra weight, and the multi link should do just fine, so long as the diff isn't a structural support for it. So keeping the M56 could be an option at that point.

      Sorry for rambling... just trying to figure out the best route to take. Too many other projects I'm thinking about, and I want to get this car to a point where I'm actually satisfied with it first!
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      I've always preferred less weight to more power. I mean, even my 162 hp 940 turbo feels kinda quick, weighing probably 800 pounds less than my R.

      I'm looking to keep costs down (I have a lot into this car as it is) but I don't want to do anything I won't be happy with. I'm already not thrilled with the current setup, even though it drives really well. It's still too slow for me and it feels too heavy. My old GLT felt much lighter and more nimble. Plus my suspension setup leaves it pretty bouncy/floaty over large bumps... I really don't like that.
      If you like light cars, I really don't think you are going to be happy with it being AWD. I know exactly that nimble feeling you are talking. Every time I come back from a trip with friends in my T-5R, I get to drive the same car back to back on the same roads and same conditions when I drop them all off. The difference is stark. Making the AWD work isn't going to make it any less heavy and slow.

      If you are using a K24, some good tires and a Quaife should handle the power.

      Your suspension system in definitely messed up. Easier to fix with a Delta link swap and it will be far cheaper than making your AWD work.....with a result I'm pretty sure you will be happier with. You don't like the weight and don't appear to have a need for AWD. This seems like a no-brainer to me.

      Will and I also aren't the only ones who are pro FWD swaps. I know a number of guys in Europe who are doing it too. Volvo actually sold FWD V70Rs 97-98 in Europe, and they are generally preferred to the AWD V70Rs there.
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      Keep the AWD IMO

      I have done all this in my 2000R.

      I don't think 850 single mass flywheel will work with s60r clutch. I used s60r clutch and flywheel and it feels great. if you want to use single mass, you will likely need the spec singlemass for p2r.

      I used 99 angle gear and front axles, just had to cut the downpipe flange off and weld in a 1.5" piece of pipe to space it away from the angle gear. easy stuff

      Hussein did actually use a P2R trans. The p1 box I'm using has the holes already drilled and tapped for his side mount. I think he had to drill/tap one hole in his p2R box to mount the bracket.

      The p80 internal clutch line works fine.

      Stevo has a great tune for the 2000R with m66 setup and stock 19t/greens.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      If you like light cars, I really don't think you are going to be happy with it being AWD. I know exactly that nimble feeling you are talking. Every time I come back from a trip with friends in my T-5R, I get to drive the same car back to back on the same roads and same conditions when I drop them all off. The difference is stark. Making the AWD work isn't going to make it any less heavy and slow.

      If you are using a K24, some good tires and a Quaife should handle the power.

      Your suspension system in definitely messed up. Easier to fix with a Delta link swap and it will be far cheaper than making your AWD work.....with a result I'm pretty sure you will be happier with. You don't like the weight and don't appear to have a need for AWD. This seems like a no-brainer to me.

      Will and I also aren't the only ones who are pro FWD swaps. I know a number of guys in Europe who are doing it too. Volvo actually sold FWD V70Rs 97-98 in Europe, and they are generally preferred to the AWD V70Rs there.
      I guess the delta link swap isn't TOO bad, it just seems like it when I think about it. Realistically, what do I need, the whole rear subframe and the gas tank? Then a FWD exhaust?

      I know they were available in FWD early on, and that's one thing that keeps me from feeling too bad about ditching it, but I'm still not crazy about "wasting" a V70R on this. At the same time, I feel like it would greatly improve it.
      Quote Originally Posted by BlkT5 View Post
      Keep the AWD IMO

      I have done all this in my 2000R.

      I don't think 850 single mass flywheel will work with s60r clutch. I used s60r clutch and flywheel and it feels great. if you want to use single mass, you will likely need the spec singlemass for p2r.

      I used 99 angle gear and front axles, just had to cut the downpipe flange off and weld in a 1.5" piece of pipe to space it away from the angle gear. easy stuff

      Hussein did actually use a P2R trans. The p1 box I'm using has the holes already drilled and tapped for his side mount. I think he had to drill/tap one hole in his p2R box to mount the bracket.

      The p80 internal clutch line works fine.

      Stevo has a great tune for the 2000R with m66 setup and stock 19t/greens.

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      That's right, I remember from your thread on VS that you had to space out the DP. Just wanted to confirm that it would be my only issue if I used the '99 AG.
      I know I had at least one of those holes tapped on my M66, so I feel like that mount should work. I remember when I was trying to figure out a mounting solution for my M56 that I needed the FWD rack to mount that since those holes don't even exist on the M56 case.

      I might go back to the junkyard and try to get that flywheel if the engine is still sitting in front of the car... still trying to decide which direction makes the most sense for this car/my wallet.
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      Id go FWD and be happy. Cheap and easy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      I guess the delta link swap isn't TOO bad, it just seems like it when I think about it. Realistically, what do I need, the whole rear subframe and the gas tank? Then a FWD exhaust?

      I know they were available in FWD early on, and that's one thing that keeps me from feeling too bad about ditching it, but I'm still not crazy about "wasting" a V70R on this. At the same time, I feel like it would greatly improve it.
      For your use I think you are 100% correct. I don't think making it better is "wasting" it. Am I "wasting" my CD changer because I installed a Grom? Say my S60 had come with Nav.... would I be "wasting" my Nav if I deleted the screen to install a center speaker because Google Maps is way better than a 15 year old satnav system?
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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      For your use I think you are 100% correct. I don't think making it better is "wasting" it. Am I "wasting" my CD changer because I installed a Grom? Say my S60 had come with Nav.... would I be "wasting" my Nav if I deleted the screen to install a center speaker because Google Maps is way better than a 15 year old satnav system?
      Good point... I hate navigation systems, so I'd certainly delete that stuff. Being a rare car/color combo, I'd want to retain the AWD, but at the same time like you've said, I think I'd be happier cutting weight than having AWD.

      I'd love to be able to take this to the mountains and beat it around, and the current suspension setup feels too floaty for me to enjoy it on those roads. The other thing I need to remember is that the best option for the rear multilink would be coilovers... which are NOT cheap. Delta link is sounding more and more appealing as I think more about it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      Good point... I hate navigation systems, so I'd certainly delete that stuff. Being a rare car/color combo, I'd want to retain the AWD, but at the same time like you've said, I think I'd be happier cutting weight than having AWD.

      I'd love to be able to take this to the mountains and beat it around, and the current suspension setup feels too floaty for me to enjoy it on those roads. The other thing I need to remember is that the best option for the rear multilink would be coilovers... which are NOT cheap. Delta link is sounding more and more appealing as I think more about it.
      I mean I get where you're coming from, but deleting the AWD with genuine Volvo parts isn't going to make it any less cool. I'd consider it perfectly in line with an OEM+ build, which I'd consider perfectly acceptable for most cars like this. Cars like my preproduction T-5R estate, my friend Ilja's Aqua M59 V70R and Cassis V70R in the Netherlands, and Ulf in Sweden's Aubergine T-5R estate and Dark Grey Metallic T-5R sedan are the kind of cars that deserve to be preserved for history with no major changes. My 850R, on the other hand, having no particular historical significance for that car specifically, got an all-out OEM+ build.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      I mean I get where you're coming from, but deleting the AWD with genuine Volvo parts isn't going to make it any less cool. I'd consider it perfectly in line with an OEM+ build, which I'd consider perfectly acceptable for most cars like this. Cars like my preproduction T-5R estate, my friend Ilja's Aqua M59 V70R and Cassis V70R in the Netherlands, and Ulf in Sweden's Aubergine T-5R estate and Dark Grey Metallic T-5R sedan are the kind of cars that deserve to be preserved for history with no major changes. My 850R, on the other hand, having no particular historical significance for that car specifically, got an all-out OEM+ build.
      Yeah, if this was a Cassis it would have gotten an M66 in the first place... too rare (and as far as I know, never sold here anyway), so they should either be kept stock or modified properly (at least in my opinion, lol). Venetian is rare, but I've seen a few other ones around.

      And wow... Aubergine is an amazing color on those T-5Rs! I didn't know that was ever available on those.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      Yeah, if this was a Cassis it would have gotten an M66 in the first place... too rare (and as far as I know, never sold here anyway), so they should either be kept stock or modified properly (at least in my opinion, lol). Venetian is rare, but I've seen a few other ones around.

      And wow... Aubergine is an amazing color on those T-5Rs! I didn't know that was ever available on those.
      Ilja's Cassis V70R in actually a DOT spec car. He was super confused about some of its configurations until I looked at the VIN tag and it checked out as a US VIN. As far as I know there were two for our market, one is believed to be lost and Ilja's is probably the other one so there may very well be none in North America at the moment. They are exceptionally rare in LHD. There are a few more RHD ones floating around in the UK.

      The Aubergine T-5R is truly 1/1. There was 1 sedan as well. Prototype cars to test the color. It never went to production on the T-5R. Nor did Platinum Pearl which was also tested. It was deemed too expensive at the time, although that was obviously resolved for MY96 and the Platinum Edition.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post

      Ilja's Cassis V70R in actually a DOT spec car. He was super confused about some of its configurations until I looked at the VIN tag and it checked out as a US VIN. As far as I know there were two for our market, one is believed to be lost and Ilja's is probably the other one so there may very well be none in North America at the moment. They are exceptionally rare in LHD. There are a few more RHD ones floating around in the UK.

      The Aubergine T-5R is truly 1/1. There was 1 sedan as well. Prototype cars to test the color. It never went to production on the T-5R. Nor did Platinum Pearl which was also tested. It was deemed too expensive at the time, although that was obviously resolved for MY96 and the Platinum Edition.
      Wow, cool stuff! I figured that wasn’t a production color, as far as I know the production T-5R only came in black, cream yellow, signal red, or olive/emerald green. And maybe white, not sure the year to year differences with the R as well.
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      Another vote for M66. I've daily driven my M66 swapped AWD Rs for about 5 years now and wouldn't ever go back to a FWD car. From where I sit, the easiest and cheapest option is to M66 swap the car. You already have a cheap M66 available, and it's not hard to find another angle gear for it.

      In my opinion, AWD makes these cars substantially more fun to drive than FWD. FWD reaches the limits of this chassis much more quickly than AWD does in terms of power delivery. These cars will never be "light and tossable" in the way a Miata or S2000 is, they're just too large and heavy, even in FWD/M56 form. AWD lets you put power to the road in all conditions, especially when the road surface isn't dry.

      I'll skip the long drawn out argument with Jared about his views on FWD/AWD, and just say that I profoundly disagree with him and leave it at that.

      From an engineering standpoint, the IRS in the AWD models is more capable and has better geometry than the delta link does. The one cool thing I like about the delta link is that it does have some passive rear steering built into the suspension geometry, which is what helps the car feel more nimble than the IRS setup. But it's really limited in terms of alignment adjustability, and ride quality will suffer because each side is not independent of the other.

      If you did want to get rid of the IRS rear suspension, you also need to replace part of the exhaust, fuel tank, fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel pressure regulator, and relocate all of the emissions gear that's mounted above the rear subframe. That's not a cheap or easy task in my book. It will require a 99/00 FWD donor car so that all the wiring matches up. The FWD cars also came from the factory with a smaller diameter, more restrictive exhaust than the 00 R exhaust. You can add an inexpensive aftermarket exhaust, but that's another added expense.

      My wagon has a 2.3/18T and a mild tune from Stevo. If I have my driveshaft out, it will spin the tires in 2nd gear on a dry road with 225 Pilot Super Sports. If I was going to install a K24 and my car was FWD, a Quaife would be required to make sure the power is usable in the lower gears without blowing the tires off.
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      Quote Originally Posted by andyb5 View Post
      If I was going to install a K24 and my car was FWD, a Quaife would be required to make sure the power is usable in the lower gears without blowing the tires off.
      Come drive mine! It's amazing with a K24, quaife, steve tune pushing 1200+ kg/hr and all the p2 handling bugs worked out. Only time you can get/make tire spin is in soaking wet conditions and even then you have to try.
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      Andy I agree, we don't need to have that whole debate again lol.......however:

      Quote Originally Posted by andyb5 View Post
      My wagon has a 2.3/18T and a mild tune from Stevo. If I have my driveshaft out, it will spin the tires in 2nd gear on a dry road with 225 Pilot Super Sports. If I was going to install a K24 and my car was FWD, a Quaife would be required to make sure the power is usable in the lower gears without blowing the tires off.
      That's kind of my point, because a Quaife weighs 600 lb less and lets you put down enough power for the needs of most projects when paired with good tires. Unless you're trying to drive through 18" of unplowed snow






      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      Wow, cool stuff! I figured that wasn’t a production color, as far as I know the production T-5R only came in black, cream yellow, signal red, or olive/emerald green. And maybe white, not sure the year to year differences with the R as well.
      T-5R came in:
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      421 Dark Olive Pearl
      607 Cream Yellow

      There were 3 sedans built in 427 Dark Grey Metallic for the Arabian market. And of course the 424 Platinum Pearl sedan and estate and 420 Aubergine sedan and estate.

      850R came in:
      019 Stone Black
      189 Polar White
      421 Dark Olive Pearl
      422 Turquoise
      427 Dark Grey Metallic
      609 Bright Red

      V70R came in:
      019 Stone Black
      417 Nautic Blue Metallic
      421 Emerald Green Metallic
      426 Mystic Silver Metallic
      428 Coral Red Metallic
      435 Saffron Pearl
      436 Cassis Pearl
      441 Laser Blue Metallic
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      Last edited by JaredR; 02-01-2020 at 09:02 PM.
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      I'm half and half on that argument... I like AWD, and I've always thought that the IRS should, in theory, handle better than delta link, but FWD has a clear advantage with greatly reduced weight. I'm by no means an engineer though... so I'm also just going by driving the FWD and AWD chassis P80s. My rear suspension feel could be corrected by coilovers, or really anything better than Nivomats with drop spacers.

      I've been thinking more and more about it the past few days, and I really think I want to go M66 AWD. I've pondered the idea of the delta link swap long and hard, but it just seems like WAY too much work, and expensive. Either way, this car will never be a Miata... I've had 3, they are a blast to drive. I've never driven a better handling or more maneuverable car. Might as well go all out with the K24 and add a couple pounds bringing back AWD!

      Even on my 19t, my car spins the hell out of 1st gear if I'm hard on the throttle, then into second too. It'll be nice to put some power down to the ground.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      Even on my 19t, my car spins the hell out of 1st gear if I'm hard on the throttle, then into second too. It'll be nice to put some power down to the ground.
      Quaife the M66 if you do it or the M56 if you keep it, but either way you need a LSD up front.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      I'm half and half on that argument... I like AWD, and I've always thought that the IRS should, in theory, handle better than delta link, but FWD has a clear advantage with greatly reduced weight. I'm by no means an engineer though... so I'm also just going by driving the FWD and AWD chassis P80s. My rear suspension feel could be corrected by coilovers, or really anything better than Nivomats with drop spacers.

      I've been thinking more and more about it the past few days, and I really think I want to go M66 AWD. I've pondered the idea of the delta link swap long and hard, but it just seems like WAY too much work, and expensive. Either way, this car will never be a Miata... I've had 3, they are a blast to drive. I've never driven a better handling or more maneuverable car. Might as well go all out with the K24 and add a couple pounds bringing back AWD!

      Even on my 19t, my car spins the hell out of 1st gear if I'm hard on the throttle, then into second too. It'll be nice to put some power down to the ground.
      Gonna need to go bigger than a K24 to make the AWD worth it!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      Andy I agree, we don't need to have that whole debate again lol.......however:



      That's kind of my point, because a Quaife weighs 600 lb less and lets you put down enough power for the needs of most projects when paired with good tires. Unless you're trying to drive through 18" of unplowed snow








      T-5R came in:
      019 Stone Black
      421 Dark Olive Pearl
      607 Cream Yellow

      There were 3 sedans built in 427 Dark Grey Metallic for the Arabian market. And of course the 424 Platinum Pearl sedan and estate and 420 Aubergine sedan and estate.

      850R came in:
      019 Stone Black
      189 Polar White
      421 Dark Olive Pearl
      422 Turquoise
      427 Dark Grey Metallic
      609 Bright Red

      V70R came in:
      019 Stone Black
      417 Nautic Blue Metallic
      421 Emerald Green Metallic
      426 Mystic Silver Metallic
      428 Coral Red Metallic
      435 Saffron Pearl
      436 Cassis Pearl
      441 Laser Blue Metallic
      601 Classic Red
      Forgot 445 Venetian Red Pearl

      I remember seeing a member on VS who has/had a 427 grey T-5R, which was apparently 1 of 1. That's one of my favorite colors on P80s, I almost bought an S70 GLT in that color.
      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      Gonna need to go bigger than a K24 to make the AWD worth it!!

      https://www.garrettmotion.com/racing...turbo/gt3076r/
      That'll come later on down the line... I may stick with the stock size K24 for now just for that reason. I plan to build another motor eventually (depending on how my other project go, I can't be tied down to one car! Lol) and at that point I want to go bigger than stock. The 3076 has always been an appealing option.
      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      Quaife the M66 if you do it or the M56 if you keep it, but either way you need a LSD up front.
      That's something I'd like to do if budget allows... now that I'm pretty certain I'm going M66, I need to figure out a parts list and cost. Fortunately I have most everything already written down. Now I just need to see if I can get that '99 AG and driveshaft from an XC at the junkyard...
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      That'll come later on down the line... I may stick with the stock size K24 for now just for that reason. I plan to build another motor eventually (depending on how my other project go, I can't be tied down to one car! Lol) and at that point I want to go bigger than stock. The 3076 has always been an appealing option.
      I would just keep the 19T for now if you're going to go big later. Neither 19T or K24 are enough to make an AWD car fast so do whatever is cheapest. Save up and go big if you're going to go down this road.



      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      Forgot 445 Venetian Red Pearl

      I remember seeing a member on VS who has/had a 427 grey T-5R, which was apparently 1 of 1. That's one of my favorite colors on P80s, I almost bought an S70 GLT in that color.

      Lol whoops fixed my list.

      That was 1/1 in the US market. There was a 427 M59 estate in Canada. Was owned by one of the EST guys for a while I think. Lots of 427 850Rs elsewhere in the world though. Epic sleeper color.
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      Eh, true, but my 19t isn’t performing at its best anyway. It burns a bit of oil.
      For that matter, I might just go to a stage 2 tune and swap in a Mellett CHRA. My cousin’s car feels faster on a 16t with stage 2 tune from Hilton. Then again, it’s FWD...
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      The Mellett CHRA is a great option. That's what I would do.

      FWD with a 16T is definitely going to be faster than AWD with a 19T. That said, Hilton tunes have a history of making cars feel faster than they actually are.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      The Mellett CHRA is a great option. That's what I would do.

      FWD with a 16T is definitely going to be faster than AWD with a 19T. That said, Hilton tunes have a history of making cars feel faster than they actually are.
      Its a p80....it feels faster than it is, just like a p2 feels slower than it is.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      Its a p80....it feels faster than it is, just like a p2 feels slower than it is.
      Sure lol but Hilton really turned that feature up to 11
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      Its a p80....it feels faster than it is, just like a p2 feels slower than it is.
      Yeah, I have to agree with that. My old GLT felt pretty quick compared to my brother's S60 2.4T.
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      Quote Originally Posted by bmdubya1198 View Post
      Yeah, I have to agree with that. My old GLT felt pretty quick compared to my brother's S60 2.4T.
      Ever have that P2 experience where you're on the highway Wondering why everyone is going so slow and then you realize you're going 100 lol
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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredR View Post
      Ever have that P2 experience where you're on the highway Wondering why everyone is going so slow and then you realize you're going 100 lol
      I just did this yesterday actually! Lol
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