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      Apple CarKey Compatibility?

      Apple CarKey will be able, via either your iPhone or Apple Watch, to lock, unlock and even start your car if it’s NFC-compatible. iOS 13.4 Reveals 'CarKey' Feature That Would Turn Your iPhone or Apple Watch Into a Car Key.

      Wonder if our XC60's will be compatible with this new feature?

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      Probably not. I think the Volvo has RFID in the middle console to use when your car key battery is empty.
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      I'm downloading 13.4 now - I will let you know if it works.

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      Nope, not going to happen. At least not right now.

      I doubt you'll see any manufacturer add the functionality retroactively to existing vehicles, anyway.

      The first partner is probably going to be BMW, and most likely only in new models.

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      Maaaaybe if Volvo on Call allows it (just like with Siri).
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      Quote Originally Posted by stocis View Post
      Maaaaybe if Volvo on Call allows it (just like with Siri).
      Nope, that isn't the point of Apple CarKey. An app can already handle OTA lock/unlock/engine-start. The point of Apple CarKey is to do so with NFC and not require cloud connectivity for the handshake to succeed. There is also a fail-safe where the phone/watch would still unlock and authorize engine start even if the device battery was dead. This is possible because NFC doesn't require device power, so a previously-paired device/car could still complete a handshake.

      Volvo On-Call would likely be required to complete the onboarding process and pair a device to the car... But once onboarded, VOC would not be involved. That's why you probably won't see this added to existing cars. Unless some manufacturer has been including extra NFC hardware in preparation for this feature...

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      I'm not sure how safe this option is and whether car factories will allow something like this, simply for security reasons
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      Quote Originally Posted by p07r0457 View Post
      Nope, that isn't the point of Apple CarKey. An app can already handle OTA lock/unlock/engine-start. The point of Apple CarKey is to do so with NFC and not require cloud connectivity for the handshake to succeed. There is also a fail-safe where the phone/watch would still unlock and authorize engine start even if the device battery was dead. This is possible because NFC doesn't require device power, so a previously-paired device/car could still complete a handshake.

      Volvo On-Call would likely be required to complete the onboarding process and pair a device to the car... But once onboarded, VOC would not be involved. That's why you probably won't see this added to existing cars. Unless some manufacturer has been including extra NFC hardware in preparation for this feature...
      What I meant by allowing it (just like with siri) was the mere fact that, Volvo on Call may allow for the token to be co-shared with apple. Just like Apple Pay, same with Apple CarKey. It should be as easy as that. The pairing process will be/should be, fairly simple. Probably volvo would need to update the VOC for the setup to be completed though, as mentioned above.
      The user will be required to place their phones on top of the NFC Reader to begin pairing. Once the pairing is complete, the CarKey will be available in the Wallet app, from where it can also be added to Apple Watch etc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by stocis View Post
      What I meant by allowing it (just like with siri) was the mere fact that, Volvo on Call may allow for the token to be co-shared with apple. Just like Apple Pay, same with Apple CarKey. It should be as easy as that. The pairing process will be/should be, fairly simple. Probably volvo would need to update the VOC for the setup to be completed though, as mentioned above.
      The user will be required to place their phones on top of the NFC Reader to begin pairing. Once the pairing is complete, the CarKey will be available in the Wallet app, from where it can also be added to Apple Watch etc.
      I don't think that would work.

      The NFC reader in the cup holder only has a range of a few inches -- maybe a foot, tops. You'd need additional hardware to detect the phone when you approach the vehicle. Probably something bluetooth-enabled for normal "walk up unlock" functionality and another NFC reader as a backup for when the device battery is dead.

      My point is I don't think our cars have the requisite hardware to make this work well.

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      I miss the days when remote-start kits literally had owners wire up a second key into the dash so the car was fooled into thinking a key was inserted into the ignition. Buddy had his car stolen because of this but did the same thing with his new car anyway. Sometimes convenience of a warm derriere is worth the risk of thievery.

      So... you could just leave your second key in your glovebox and trust in Society to not steal yo' stuff.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigBang View Post
      I'm not sure how safe this option is and whether car factories will allow something like this, simply for security reasons
      Almost every car manufacturer is part of the CCC such as Volvo, BMW and even Audi.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5mac...mw-carkey/amp/

      “Notably, Apple’s involvement with the CCC was publicly referenced in 2018:

      CCC’s charter member companies [include] Apple, Audi, BMW, General Motors, HYUNDAI, LG Electronics, Panasonic, Samsung, and Volkswagen, and core members including ALPS ELECTRIC, Continental Automotive GmbH, DENSO, Gemalto, NXP, and Qualcomm Incorporated.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Gary-16-Xc90 View Post
      Almost every car manufacturer is part of the CCC such as Volvo, BMW and even Audi.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5mac...mw-carkey/amp/

      “Notably, Apple’s involvement with the CCC was publicly referenced in 2018:
      Car Connectivity Consortium, it's something else entirely

      FYI, my good friend works in Austria at a company that provides software services to the auto industry, and many security issues have been found in existing solutions that are under development.
      Of course, each manufacturer has its own specific safety requirements, it is simply difficult to harmonize the various safety protocols used by car manufacturers
      We probably won't see it in the next 3-4 years in use and of course it won't be possible to use it on current models

      So it's all about testing and waiting until further notice and most car makers are looking for a solution for Android and iOS at the same time
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      ^ Definitely agree on possible timeline. Thanks!
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