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      Hi I’m new to Swedespeed. Very glad to be here. Was a Volvospeed member for almost 10 years 00-09 while I owned a 99 S70 and thoroughly enjoyed and participated in the forum community. If there are any old VSers on here, my username was Volvo Virgin. Would love to hear from you, as well as any of my new SS brothern. I’m in the South Jersey area about 15min outside Philly.

      Anyway, currently shopping pretty hard for a 2014-18 S60. I like the 14 as the majority have the white block I-5 turbo like I had in my S70. Great motor that I’m familiar with. Honestly tho I’d rather get into something a little newer. Hence I’m looking for some feedback on the 15-18 four cylinder turbo engines regarding reliability, performance, and modding.

      Thanks and I look forward to being a contributing member of SS.

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      Don't get a 2015-2016 Drive-E with an engine with its serial number before 1501327.
      Volvo_B4204T11-B4204T12_oil-consumption_TJ-31216_201604.pdf
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      I have a 2017 S60i T5 and my brother has a 2018 S60 T6. We both have 25k miles with no problems as yet.
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      Stay away from '15-'16 as meade18 alluded. I have a '17 T6 and it's been great through 65K so far.

      As far as performance mods, you're rather limited in the motor department. Plenty of cosmetic, suspension, and big brake kits available. Hilton seems to be the only available reliable non-Polestar tune, do88 intercooler is a worthwhile mod for dependable power or increase once tuned. GFB DV is also a decent upgrade next on my to-do list. Outside of 8eightfab and KT4 not sure anyone else has done an exhaust or downpipe upgrade - ERST also has an option from Japan for exhaust and intake.

      tl;dr modding on this platform is expensive for the gains you get, but a Volvo is a Volvo
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      If you're into power mods, keep in mind the 3.0L 6 cylinder T6 was available up to and including the 2016 model year. It is an easier platform to get a little more power out of, but it is somewhat limited by the older Aisin 6 speed transmission. The newer 8 speed is superior based on what I have read here.

      I would at least stick with the late model 2015 (referred to as 2015.5) and later model years. They did an infotainment overhaul halfway through the 2015 model year. You can update the GPS maps for free using a memory stick on 2015.5+ models. Of course, avoid 15-16 4 cylinder models for the oil consumption issue.

      Whatever you choose, I would recommend you change the oil at shorter intervals than the 10k miles suggested in the manual (I do 5k miles), and make sure you use the right oil. For 4 cylinders i believe it is 0w-20 that meets Volvo's own spec (VCC RBSO-2AE). I think the 6 cylinder is a little less finicky and any high quality synthetic 30 weight oil should work, but I still use the ACEA A5/B5 spec oil (Liqui Moly Special Tec V). It can be ordered online. Not sure on the 5 cylinders, maybe someone else can chime in on that one.

      20 weight - https://www.amazon.com/Liqui-Moly-20.../dp/B076ZYWSTP
      30 weight - https://www.amazon.com/Liqui-Moly-20...omotive&sr=1-2
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      Quote Originally Posted by budleach View Post
      Not sure on the 5 cylinders, maybe someone else can chime in on that one.
      The early (true) 5 cylinder T5 engines still use 5W-30 as far as I know.
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      Thanks a lot guys. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Looks like 15-16 with 2.0 are out! Any input from guys that have had both the 5cyl and 4cyl turbos regarding performance and maintenance? Honestly leaning towards a 2014 for the I-5 but really would like to get something newer so 17-18 are a possibility. Why did Volvo drop the white block I-5.....smh
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      I have a 2017 with the I-4. Pretty happy with it so far.
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      My sister may be selling her '15 T5 AWD if you're interested. It has the I-5 you're looking for. Not sure where you're located...
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jerzeyboi View Post
      Thanks a lot guys. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Looks like 15-16 with 2.0 are out! Any input from guys that have had both the 5cyl and 4cyl turbos regarding performance and maintenance? Honestly leaning towards a 2014 for the I-5 but really would like to get something newer so 17-18 are a possibility. Why did Volvo drop the white block I-5.....smh
      We did several back-to-back comparisons when we had our '16 V60CC. To my mind, the performance is similar but there is a significant difference in character which the I-5 has in abundance. The I-4 gets you down the road just fine and uses fewer dead dinosaurs in the process but has a droney character which we didn't care for. That said, given the choice between a P3 and the later Spa chassis, I'd get the newer car in a heartbeat. The '20 V60CC loaner we took on a ~200 mile coast loop felt stronger than our similar '16 and handled better on 215 cross section tires then our '16 did on 235s with an ipd rear bar. Once we got used to the touchscreen, we much preferred the layout of the Spa's controls as well.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jerzeyboi View Post
      Thanks a lot guys. Exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Looks like 15-16 with 2.0 are out! Any input from guys that have had both the 5cyl and 4cyl turbos regarding performance and maintenance? Honestly leaning towards a 2014 for the I-5 but really would like to get something newer so 17-18 are a possibility. Why did Volvo drop the white block I-5.....smh
      I had a 2016 I-5 T5 AWD, and replaced it with a 2018 I-4 T5 FWD. I test drove both in 2016, and picked the I-5, but when my lease came up, I picked the I-4. I think there were some minor changes that added up to nice improvements between the 16 and 18 MY beyond reliability. So I would also recommend a 17 or 18.

      I have no regrets about the drive-e powertrain. It is clearly a modern platform compared to the I-5. Both the engine and transmission are much smoother, and you have more mapping options, including polestar and eco which you can't get for the S60 I-5. My fuel economy went up by about 35% going to the drive-e. I don't notice any drone.

      To the extent that I have a complaint, the ability to obtain the sticker highway fuel economy on the I-4 drops pretty significantly as you go from 60mph to 70mph. If I'm traveling 55-60mph, getting 38-40mpg is no problem. 70mph looks like 33-35mpg. But I consider this to be a small issue, although you will hear stories of FWD I-5s getting 32mpg highway. My AWD I-5 topped out at 28mpg no matter what, right at the EPA rating.

      As for performance, the I-4 will be quicker off the line due to the extra gears. The 2013 and up I-5 AWDs have a nice turning character due to the extra weight in the rear, and that sold me on the 2016. The 2018 is not far off, though, and I personally don't miss the 2016 at all.

      As for maintenance, I didn't put more than 30,000 miles on either car, and have had no issues with either.

      I have found the P3 I-4 T6 motors to be harsh and unpleasant. If I wanted one of those, I'd look to the SPA. In my experience, the SPA cars are also much smoother on the engine stop-start, but they get marginally worse fuel economy.

      All that being said, I bought the I-4 to be a comfortable, efficient, safe commuter, not to hoon. I think drive-e T5 is great if you want efficiency, and has more power at the top end than is really useful on the road. But if I wanted performance, I'd probably go SPA T6 or Polestar Engineered T8.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Veefifty T5AWD View Post
      My sister may be selling her '15 T5 AWD if you're interested. It has the I-5 you're looking for. Not sure where you're located...
      Thanks for the heads up. In a perfect world I’m looking for silver with a black interior. Under 50k mileage. Lol. A little particular I know 😐 but would always reconsider if there were other compensating factors.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jerzeyboi View Post
      Thanks for the heads up. In a perfect world Iím looking for silver with a black interior. Under 50k mileage. Lol. A little particular I know 😐 but would always reconsider if there were other compensating factors.
      Haha, theirs is white with beige interior. 0 for 2!
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      If it matters to you, know that the 2017, and '18 too I believe, S60 Inscription (long wheel base) models were assembled at a new Volvo plant in China. We have a 2017 Inscription Platinum model purchased as a dealer owned CPO car with 5k miles on it. We just turned 20k miles, and the only issues we've had were very fast wearing OEM P7 tires (just replaced), and a bad battery that was replaced under warranty when it was in for its 20K mile service. It's been a great car so far, and I have not heard of the assembled in China cars having worse reliability than the ones built in Sweden or Belgium. Good luck to you.

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      We had a 2017 S60 Inscription as a lease and turned it back in with 52K miles on it. It was bulletproof. We had no issues with the car at all.
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      Quote Originally Posted by meade18 View Post
      Don't get a 2015-2016 Drive-E with an engine with its serial number before 1501327.
      Volvo_B4204T11-B4204T12_oil-consumption_TJ-31216_201604.pdf
      I should have just let you buy yours first, would have saved me a lot of headache :P

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      Quote Originally Posted by TWENTY4pak View Post
      I should have just let you buy yours first, would have saved me a lot of headache :P
      The funny thing is, we can't say for sure if the issue in the TJ had anything to do with our issues since we had completely broken pistons and not just bad rings. When our issues popped up at the same time and many others started experiencing oil consumption, I assumed we would see tons of threads about it, and at least a few about broken pistons. I haven't seen any other broken pistons threads, and no noticeable increase in oil consumption threads in the past year. Considering how it started out 2 years ago, I'm surprised.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ddubya View Post
      If it matters to you, know that the 2017, and '18 too I believe, S60 Inscription (long wheel base) models were assembled at a new Volvo plant in China. We have a 2017 Inscription Platinum model purchased as a dealer owned CPO car with 5k miles on it. We just turned 20k miles, and the only issues we've had were very fast wearing OEM P7 tires (just replaced), and a bad battery that was replaced under warranty when it was in for its 20K mile service. It's been a great car so far, and I have not heard of the assembled in China cars having worse reliability than the ones built in Sweden or Belgium. Good luck to you.
      Again, thanks for all the great input guys. Currently looking at a ‘17 Inscription Silver/Black one owner with 31K on it. Dealer is asking $16500. See how that comes together.

      What’s the consensus on the newer AWD? I remember on VS a couple guys with the S60 with Haldex had some problems and it was expensive to fix. I’ll be the first to admit that while I maintain and take care of my cars, I drive them hard, so I’m trying to avoid any weak links.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jerzeyboi View Post
      Again, thanks for all the great input guys. Currently looking at a Ď17 Inscription Silver/Black one owner with 31K on it. Dealer is asking $16500. See how that comes together.

      Whatís the consensus on the newer AWD? I remember on VS a couple guys with the S60 with Haldex had some problems and it was expensive to fix. Iíll be the first to admit that while I maintain and take care of my cars, I drive them hard, so Iím trying to avoid any weak links.
      $16,500?! That seems like a steal, but I have also not shopped that year/trim at all, so no idea. Edit - just did a quick search and lots of that car in this range. Seems like a lot of car for that price!
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      2015-18 I-4 turbo motors

      Bumping this thread because of the title, even though it looks like the OP is wisely staying away from the Drive-E engine. Iíve read through all the threads I can find on the topic (especially Meade18ís), but canít seem to locate the TJ for replacing the breather box on the B4204T11 engine (although I suspect it doesnít have one, at least not as I envision from my other Volvoís - canít find it in VIDA). TJ 31216 (the attachment in post 2 above) says to replace the piston rings, ďIf the engine may still have a high oil consumption despite following TJ30739, TJ30087 or TJ29953....Ē https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...46443-9999.pdf

      Does anyone know which of these three TJs applies to the 4 cylinder Drive-E engine, and where to find a copy of it? Now that it appears Volvo goodwill is unlikely for any future oil consumption issues on this engine, Iíd like to see what all is entailed for the TJ. Makes more sense to have an indie do this if Volvo isnít going to help with the cost of the piston ring replacement down the road.

      Thanks.

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      30087 is the oil trap TJ.


      1:Check first for external leakages from the engine.
      2:Perform an ECM upgrade with VIDA.
      3:Read the oil amount with VIDA and add oil up to a total amount of 5.9L (including filter).
      Note : ignore the readings from VIDA after the filling because cars before structure week 201413 can only read a maximum of 5.6L.
      4:Check the engine serial number and if it's before serial 001171576, install a new oil trap with PN:31430923 according the procedure in VIDA.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      30087 is the oil trap TJ.


      1:Check first for external leakages from the engine.
      2:Perform an ECM upgrade with VIDA.
      3:Read the oil amount with VIDA and add oil up to a total amount of 5.9L (including filter).
      Note : ignore the readings from VIDA after the filling because cars before structure week 201413 can only read a maximum of 5.6L.
      4:Check the engine serial number and if it's before serial 001171576, install a new oil trap with PN:31430923 according the procedure in VIDA.
      As always, thank you good sir! I know youíve beaten this horse many, many times. Was hoping to avoid having you revisit, but my local service dept provided me with a quote to replace the oil trap on the B5254T12 rather than B4204T11, so I wasnít sure of the correct TJ/part #. Much obliged!

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