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      XC70, for sure T6, not sure on year/package

      what's up volvo brothers. i wrecked my 04 m66 v70r wagon back on 12/30/19 (a couch was in the left hand lane and the guy i was following swerved quick and i hit it/guardrail, crappy 04 v70 headlights didn't help) and am settled on a t6 xc70 to replace it, i thought about getting a 60 but they're a bit feminine for my taste. i need a long wagon.

      anyways, i don't make a ton of money and should probably cap out at $20k. do you guys have any insight as to whether a 2013 t6 with 66k for $17,900 would be a better value than a 2015 t6 platinum with 59k for $22,900 (trying to talk this place down to 20.5k on it.)

      nice headlights would be a plus, and probably the biggest difference maker for me would be the sound system, but i imagine i could customize a nice set up with sale price difference. another note is that i could drive 90 minutes to pick up the 2015 platinum, otherwise that 2013 is in rhode island and i'm in oklahoma. so tack on another $1k in cost to ship.

      just looking for any guidance on whether a 2013 is much different than a 2015, and if a platinum package is all that much better than the base t6.

      thanks!

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      Quote Originally Posted by aarondsp View Post
      up the 2015 platinum, otherwise that 2013 is in rhode island and i'm in oklahoma. so tack on another $1k in cost to ship.

      just looking for any guidance on whether a 2013 is much different than a 2015, and if a platinum package is all that much better than the base t6.

      thanks!
      I think platinum comes standard with adaptive cruise, a nice feature. If there is a solid looking part on the right side of the grill it has adaptive cruise. 2015 has the updated dash also with a temp gauge (rather than just the 2 round gauges) with changeable themes.

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      For $4k more ($5k price difference less $1k to ship the other one) I'd go for the newer car, even more so if it's a 2015.5 with upgraded Sensu.

      When I was in the market a few months ago I found that there really wasn't that much of a difference between a platinum and a premier plus - navigation, accent lighting, and premium sound so I just ended up getting a premier plus. The technology package which is available on the platinum includes adaptive cruise, adaptive headlights, etc. - things I could do without. I've attached the brochure below.

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      For anyone checking this here's where I'm at:
      Local dude selling 2009 T6 with 113,000 miles, probably could get it for $8,500. my mechanic has serviced and says its had everything it would need, and wouldn't be due for more service til 150k. has a few dents and scuffs but inside is clean.
      2013 T6 with 140K, talked salesman down to $8,900 for it. nice color and looks clean from all the pictures, but a ton of miles. i like the newer interior compared to the 09 and has +20hp.
      2015 t6 with 60k, so far only talked them down to $21,900 for it. super clean.

      i drive about 23-26k a year so I'm reserved about getting a newer one when my driving habits will cause it to depreciate quicker. any thoughts about those 3 options?

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      Quote Originally Posted by aarondsp View Post
      For anyone checking this here's where I'm at:
      Local dude selling 2009 T6 with 113,000 miles, probably could get it for $8,500. my mechanic has serviced and says its had everything it would need, and wouldn't be due for more service til 150k. has a few dents and scuffs but inside is clean.
      2013 T6 with 140K, talked salesman down to $8,900 for it. nice color and looks clean from all the pictures, but a ton of miles. i like the newer interior compared to the 09 and has +20hp.
      2015 t6 with 60k, so far only talked them down to $21,900 for it. super clean.

      i drive about 23-26k a year so I'm reserved about getting a newer one when my driving habits will cause it to depreciate quicker. any thoughts about those 3 options?
      Personally, Iíd skip the 09. Iím sure the 15 Platinum is nice, but at more then double and the anticipated mileage Iíd probably go for the 13...or of course cast a wider net for a newer example with higher mileage.
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      I agree w/ Chicago. I'd aim for the 13 as a balance. Don't buy a car worried about depreciation unless it's new and/or you're planning on flipping it in a year. Every car (almost) will depreciate with time or mileage, but you want to find the one that's worth the drive.


      As I've learned the earliest models had the most issues (I ended up w/ an XC60 but same T6, mine had motor rebuilt by Volvo at 45k miles). I really wanted an XC70 but needed wheels earlier than later, and decided to shop a "cash" budget instead of a large loan.

      Also after test driving a bunch of different packages, I personally decided that I wanted certain things (T6, awd, keyless drive, ABL, sound system) but didn't care so much for other things (blis, lane departure, adaptive cruise, etc), so it opened up my options greatly. But had I had more good examples, I wouldn't have complained having these features.


      This one popped up local to me recently I would have checked out had I needed a car now (but it's from a random dealer so who knows)
      2012 T6 w/ 77k miles in the PNW, asking $14k
      https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...IENCESSESSIONS
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      It's a tough call.

      One thing about getting the newer one is that even though you'll be putting a fair amount of miles on it it's a newer car to begin with so repairs hopefully will be down the road a bit more than the others and if you're going to a mechanic for everything that will add up quickly..

      Just for comparison, I paid $14k for a '15 but it has 105k on the clock so higher miles for the year.

      The local '09 is attractive not only because of the price but because your mechanic knows the car and if you trust the mechanic then that's worth something.
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      Once you hit 2014 you get the exterior facelift too, which is nice but a lot of examples are +/- $20k.

      Here is a high mileage Platinum 2015.5 at a Volvo dealer in Michigan for $16.5k

      https://www.volvofarmingtonhills.com....htm?clientId=

      If anyone sees anything missing please point it out, but it looks loaded to me..I see BLIS, Climate Package with heated wheel and rear seat...I donít think XCs didnít offer ventilated fronts.
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      - Titania Diamond Cut and Black Stone - Vredestein Quadrac 5 235/45/18
      - R Design Strut Brace
      Parts Cannon: Volvo Fortuna Wheels, Koni Sport Struts and Shocks, Volvo 328mm Calipers (F), Volvo 302mm Calipers for Vented Rotors (R), VST 5mm Spacers, H&R 15mm Spacers, IPD Skidplate, Ultra Racing Lower Rear Brace & Crossmember, Volvo Sport Pedals
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      We picked up a really clean 09 T6 with 88K on the clock because I was looking for the most bang for our buck.. Of course it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the newer ones, but on a certain level I appreciate the more reserved, understated nature of the interior... plus less to go wrong LOL. The lower initial expenditure gives me more room to play with upgrades (a Hilton tune is on the list.)

      FYI, any of these cars with ~100K on the clock is gonna need shocks... ours floats like a two ton moose-boat, virtually no rebound damping remaining, so a set of Koni FSDs are also in it's near future. Otherwise it's been pretty damn good over the last 10K miles... fast, quiet, comfortable and stealthy, if not very economical
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      Once you hit 2014 you get the exterior facelift too, which is nice but a lot of examples are +/- $20k.

      Here is a high mileage Platinum 2015.5 at a Volvo dealer in Michigan for $16.5k

      https://www.volvofarmingtonhills.com....htm?clientId=

      If anyone sees anything missing please point it out, but it looks loaded to me..I see BLIS, Climate Package with heated wheel and rear seat...I donít think XCs didnít offer ventilated fronts.
      No parking sensors but everything else is there. It's a '15.5 too.
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      i appreciate the advice.

      my mechanic's logic was, for an additional $11k for the 2015 i'm not getting that much more car. and then it would leave extra money to tune it and put in new intake/exhaust.I met these mechanics before they were doing it professionally and started their own shop, they're a main reason why i'm insistent on getting another Volvo because I trust them and just flat out like them. When I had my old v70r they'd let me swing by to put it up on the lift to change oil and rotate tires.

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      No worries. Youíve already got a trusted shop, and thatís a huge advantage. Beyond that itís just a question of your priorities.

      Personally, I like the post facelift P3s and wanted a few of later options available on a later and/or better optioned example such as Bluetooth Audio Input, BLIS, Keyless Start, etc. not to discount the expense but every car will eventually need a new exhaust and suspension.
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      Parts Cannon: Volvo Fortuna Wheels, Koni Sport Struts and Shocks, Volvo 328mm Calipers (F), Volvo 302mm Calipers for Vented Rotors (R), VST 5mm Spacers, H&R 15mm Spacers, IPD Skidplate, Ultra Racing Lower Rear Brace & Crossmember, Volvo Sport Pedals
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      Quote Originally Posted by aarondsp View Post
      i appreciate the advice.

      my mechanic's logic was, for an additional $11k for the 2015 i'm not getting that much more car. and then it would leave extra money to tune it and put in new intake/exhaust.I met these mechanics before they were doing it professionally and started their own shop, they're a main reason why i'm insistent on getting another Volvo because I trust them and just flat out like them. When I had my old v70r they'd let me swing by to put it up on the lift to change oil and rotate tires.
      Sounds like good advice from the mechanic - them letting you work on your car in their bay is pretty cool. Post up some pics if you get it!
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      I find it hard to believe how little you guys pay for all things automotive in the U.S.
      Here in Canada, everything said automotive cost more. Here's an example.
      Granted, it has low mileage (32532mi) this unit is selling for $21270 USD.
      Or, does the price sound about right?

      https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn...139286230.html
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      Quote Originally Posted by freeheelin View Post
      I find it hard to believe how little you guys pay for all things automotive in the U.S.
      Here in Canada, everything said automotive cost more. Here's an example.
      Granted, it has low mileage but this unit is selling for $21270 USD.

      https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn...139286230.html
      Itís high, but itís not so much more than most of our 2014+ low mileage examples. Hard to tell, but it looks like there are quite a few blanks in the stack, so itís maybe not loaded
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      Parts Cannon: Volvo Fortuna Wheels, Koni Sport Struts and Shocks, Volvo 328mm Calipers (F), Volvo 302mm Calipers for Vented Rotors (R), VST 5mm Spacers, H&R 15mm Spacers, IPD Skidplate, Ultra Racing Lower Rear Brace & Crossmember, Volvo Sport Pedals
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      There's some ambiguity about the 2015 model year....is it 2015 or 2015.5? The 2015.5 offers a newer, all-digital dashboard display design.

      It is low mileage, but what is the condition? Rust? Brakes? Windshield? Odors? Tires?
      I'd prefer to buy a car like this from a Volvo dealer -- anything not meeting their standard goes off to auction.

      Bottom line? Hard to place value on car from the ad.

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      The 2015 and 2015.5 dash designs are the same. The only difference is the updated Sensus on the 2015.5 and newer cars.
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      Welp, it done sold^^^. That took all of three days.
      I have yet to see a third P3 XC70 out this way. No kidding.
      XC60's on the other hand.....all the time.
      Anyone with some fast figures or link to how many (XC70s) were produced?
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      I don't have any production numbers but when I was shopping a few months ago my search was confined to '13-'15.5 T6 cars and at any one time there's between 50 and 60 for sale in the US according to cargurus. There are at least 4x XC60's within those years and T6 spec.
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      Quote Originally Posted by freeheelin View Post
      Welp, it done sold^^^. That took all of three days.
      I have yet to see a third P3 XC70 out this way. No kidding.
      XC60's on the other hand.....all the time.
      Anyone with some fast figures or link to how many (XC70s) were produced?
      Interesting. We see late XC70s all the time. There are at least 3 others in our immediate neighborhood.
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      As someone who had a 2010 v70 rd shipped from the East coast to the Midwest and it totaled less than a year later by someone who ran a red light, I'd say buy local, it is not worth the hassle & extra cost to ship a car that could be gone in the blink of an eye.
      My personal preference is a pre-2012 because of the lack of screens/sensus. I just want to be able to drive without the computer telling me a bunch of crap I don't need to know while I'm driving.
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      They're pretty rare in these parts. When we were doing our search, I discovered that most of them are on the coasts, where they are more abundant... not very many made it too far inland. Part of the reason I wanted one... Audi/BMW/Benz are a dime a dozen around here LOL.

      I looked for three months and only found two in the Indianapolis area that entire time. We ended up going to CT to get ours.
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      As it turns out the 09 XC70 is still up in the air, the guy is hoping to buy/ship in a new truck and he isn't 100% sure that deal is going through. He seemed firm at $9k but I could probably get it down to $8.5k.

      The Volvo dealership is offering me $21.9 for that 2015 XC, I told them a couple weeks ago if they lowered it to $20.5 I would agree to a deal on the spot. I don't think I'd kick myself for not jumping on to it, although I really do like the car from the pictures. https://www.volvocarsoklahomacity.co...rader_listings

      How do you guys like V60s? My first impressions are they don't look as good as the XC70, and seem to run about 10% slower on the 0-60 times. They do have a decent amount available within a few hours drive for decent prices. I think I'd prefer my next car to not sit so low, my V70R would scrape on driveways/curbs/etc and I popped so many damn tires with the low profile wheels hitting potholes, or running into a curb at 8mph.

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      Quote Originally Posted by WIwagon View Post
      As someone who had a 2010 v70 rd shipped from the East coast to the Midwest and it totaled less than a year later by someone who ran a red light, I'd say buy local, it is not worth the hassle & extra cost to ship a car that could be gone in the blink of an eye.
      My personal preference is a pre-2012 because of the lack of screens/sensus. I just want to be able to drive without the computer telling me a bunch of crap I don't need to know while I'm driving.
      Does it have audio coming thru the speakers or is it just like a warning light? I think I'd agree with you on that preference. I hate touchscreen interfaces in cars but it looks like the 2015 has manual AC and volume knobs, which would be all that mattered to me since I just play all my music through an ipod and aux input (once again, showing my age.)

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      I went from an '09 "two ton moose-boat" (LOL) to a '15.5. I prefer lots of things on the earlier cars, but fwiw, a lot of the annoying things can be turned off permanently in the new one, and I'm hoping that VDash will make it so "city safety" can be done the same way. I'm pretty tired of the car slamming on the brakes as I approach my garage door....

      The screen isn't a touchscreen (is it?!? I've never used it that way), and it's less annoying than most, imo, mostly because the important controls are still buttons.

      Note that some things that were standard on the '09 required Platinum level on the '15.5 (but some other things were just victims of "de-contenting"). One thing I would say, with apologies to the older cars, is that given two equal cars, I'd go for the one with the sport mode on the transmission if you intend to drive at all..."sprightly." I had no problem with the '09. As autos go, it did what I wanted and I didn't absolutely hate it, but the '15.5 in sport mode is a big difference. It actually makes the car feel quick.

      How have you approached the dealer about the '15.5? Always the same sales person? Idk how much experience you have buying dealer cars, but at least twice now (including this '15.5), I've dealt with someone who wasn't willing to come anywhere near my price, then went back, talked to a different person, and the car was mine that day. If you want the car and you haven't tried, I'd say that it would be worth it to talk to someone else.
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      Quote Originally Posted by aarondsp View Post
      As it turns out the 09 XC70 is still up in the air, the guy is hoping to buy/ship in a new truck and he isn't 100% sure that deal is going through. He seemed firm at $9k but I could probably get it down to $8.5k.

      The Volvo dealership is offering me $21.9 for that 2015 XC, I told them a couple weeks ago if they lowered it to $20.5 I would agree to a deal on the spot. I don't think I'd kick myself for not jumping on to it, although I really do like the car from the pictures. https://www.volvocarsoklahomacity.co...rader_listings

      How do you guys like V60s? My first impressions are they don't look as good as the XC70, and seem to run about 10% slower on the 0-60 times. They do have a decent amount available within a few hours drive for decent prices. I think I'd prefer my next car to not sit so low, my V70R would scrape on driveways/curbs/etc and I popped so many damn tires with the low profile wheels hitting potholes, or running into a curb at 8mph.
      I also have a V60 and it's a nice car but it's more of a sport hatch than a wagon as it doesn't really fit that much stuff. If that's okay with you then maybe it should be on your shopping list.

      That 2015 car looks nice, just realize that it doesn't have front and rear parking sensors, which I use pretty much every day, lol. I'm not a fan of the interior but that's a personal decision.
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      Can a cross country v60 hop a curb? i'm also not a huge fan of the xc70 interior compared to the sporty seats my old R had, and I also like it when the controls kinda face the driver, rather than in the XC it sits dead center. i really like the interior of this v60, (https://www.grubbsvolvocars.com/used...rader_listings but 240 HP just sounds a lot less exciting than the 300 of an XC.

      I've only talked to one guy there so trying someone different is prob a good decision, do you just call up and wait for a different salesman to pick up?

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      Quote Originally Posted by posaune View Post
      I went from an '09 "two ton moose-boat" (LOL) to a '15.5.

      One thing I would say, with apologies to the older cars, is that given two equal cars, I'd go for the one with the sport mode on the transmission if you intend to drive at all..."sprightly." I had no problem with the '09. As autos go, it did what I wanted and I didn't absolutely hate it, but the '15.5 in sport mode is a big difference. It actually makes the car feel quick.
      Good to hear from you man! Now you have a '15.5 two ton moose-boat (We bought Maxamoose from Posaune.)

      I do most of my driving in manual mode; I did switch the shifter in the Moose to the '13 style (with the manual shift on the left, as it should be) and that has helped a lot; previously it had a tendency to pop back into Drive at the least opportune moment because my hand would sometimes be on the shifter when going 'round a turn.

      I can definitely feel a difference in crispness and throttle response when it is in manual mode, but I'm sure it's nothing like the later cars. When I plunk it back into auto, it feels like it instantly drops 30 HP/torque lol, but the auto likes to lug the engine around below 1800 RPM. And the shift response is no different in either mode... meaning the 1-2 shift still takes forever, other upshifts/downshifts are still lazy, etc. but with a little advance planning it pretty much does what I want it to. The TF80-SC is simply not a great transmission... but I digress...

      I will say that the seats are probably the most comfortable I've ever had the pleasure of sitting in; we did 13 hours from CT to Indy pretty much non-stop and it was awesome. That said, those V60 sport seats look fantastic; maybe a retrofit will be due once I get the Konis on her!

      The XC70 with ~60 less HP would not be the same to be sure. Personally, I would be missing that power big time.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Rrrracer View Post
      Good to hear from you man! Now you have a '15.5 two ton moose-boat (We bought Maxamoose from Posaune.)

      I do most of my driving in manual mode; I did switch the shifter in the Moose to the '13 style (with the manual shift on the left, as it should be) and that has helped a lot; previously it had a tendency to pop back into Drive at the least opportune moment because my hand would sometimes be on the shifter when going 'round a turn.
      I did exactly the same thing. I didn't even realize that you could switch shifters, but I totally agree that it makes more sense on the left.

      I can definitely feel a difference in crispness and throttle response when it is in manual mode, but I'm sure it's nothing like the later cars. When I plunk it back into auto, it feels like it instantly drops 30 HP/torque lol, but the auto likes to lug the engine around below 1800 RPM. And the shift response is no different in either mode... meaning the 1-2 shift still takes forever, other upshifts/downshifts are still lazy, etc. but with a little advance planning it pretty much does what I want it to. The TF80-SC is simply not a great transmission... but I digress...
      This too. I never understood what was going on. Why does it feel that way? I rarely bothered to use it in manual, but I did when towing my little sailboat, mostly because I didn't like the lugging when going up hills. It instantly felt more lively and more powerful than normal (even though it had a trailer(!), albeit light). That's what I like about the sport mode in the new one-- it feels like manual mode in the old one but without that pesky need for paying attention to gears.

      I will say that the seats are probably the most comfortable I've ever had the pleasure of sitting in; we did 13 hours from CT to Indy pretty much non-stop and it was awesome. That said, those V60 sport seats look fantastic; maybe a retrofit will be due once I get the Konis on her!

      The XC70 with ~60 less HP would not be the same to be sure. Personally, I would be missing that power big time.
      I always sort of laugh at colleagues with cheap Japanese or Korean cars who complain about having to be in a car for more than 15mins. A Volvo of any sort is a pretty nice place to be, and I usually feel BETTER when I get out of it after a 12hr drive.

      Back to something that might be of use to the OP, I looked at V60s when I was thinking about moving on from the '09. I like them, but they're MUCH smaller than the XC70. My wagon is my truck, and I need the space. If that's not a consideration, the V60 is pretty nice.

      The only other thing that gets me is the difference in driving dynamics between the two (assuming the V60 and S60 are similar, as I have extensive experience with a '13 S60). The XC70 drives more like an "old" car-- heavier and more deliberate, if that makes sense. I come from 240s, and the feel is somehow similar while the S60 feels lighter all around (even though the 240 is in fact good bit lighter). I can't say exactly what it is, but it seems like the current trend is suspension/steering tuning is to make things *feel* "sporty" and light. To me it just feels less planted and more nervous, while not actually having any higher of a limit.
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      Be careful here, especially with early model year 2015 XC70. I bought a less than 3-year old, certified preowned 2015 XC70 T6 with 35K miles on it in early 2017. All was fine until a year ago when suddenly the "low oil" warning light came on and I had to add a quart. Soon it was due for 50K service, and the dealership replaced the oil dipstick per Volvo technical advice. i thought it unlike the dipstick would solve "mysterious" oil loss- no leaks to be seen anywhere. 5000 miles later, another warning light and 2 quarts needed. I have now firmly insisted that a full engine inspection be done (this time, I read about oil consumption/piston ring issues on these forums before I took the car in). Voila! The dealer has determined that, indeed, there is an "internal engine issue" and Volvo has authorized replacement of the pistons! There has been no mention of any cost to me, and there better not be since I am still within the CPO extended warranty (7yr/100K, and I'm at

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      Here are some pics of the 09 that will be available in two weeks. The owner said there isn't an option available it doesn't have.




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      That looks really nice. For the money ($9k) I'd probably just get that one.
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      It does look sweet. Things I see different than our '09... pop-up infotainment center, aluminum trim steering wheel/center console, burled polished wood for the dash/door/shifter, stitched leather center armrest lid, and appears to have the newer style front grille/emblem. I didn't know any of these were available on that model year... maybe it's a '10
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      Quote Originally Posted by Rrrracer View Post
      It does look sweet. Things I see different than our '09... pop-up infotainment center, aluminum trim steering wheel/center console, burled polished wood for the dash/door/shifter, stitched leather center armrest lid, and appears to have the newer style front grille/emblem. I didn't know any of these were available on that model year... maybe it's a '10
      Like racer said the front emblem, steering wheel, armrest & console & trim were all different in '09 than what is in there, it also has different window control buttons, chrome window surrounds and Meracs which were not available on an '09. Very possible that it's a '10.
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      According to the brochure, there was no red XC70 in 2010. Perhaps OSD, or maybe Meracs were just added after the fact.
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