Tech or Any Volvo Tech - Important Question - Software or Consumption Issue?
Username
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast
    Results 1 to 35 of 155
    1. #1

      Tech or Any Volvo Tech - Question - Consumption Issue or Software?

      So my car was recently serviced at 69,700 miles for the 70K service at my trusty Volvo Dealership. 10-70k all done at same place Out of boredom, I was in my car and decided to hold in the ignition and check the digital dipstick. My car is now at 72,342 miles and it says "Low" with no oil level being displayed. No messages are popping up on the console about oil being low.....So why is it saying "Low on the Digital Dipstick" after 2500 miles?

      Did I develop a serious consumption issue that has gone unnoticed and unreported on the gauges? Or is this a software glitch?


      20200805_001608.jpg
      Last edited by MyVolvoS60; 08-05-2020 at 12:00 AM.

    2. Remove Advertisements

      Advertisements
       

    3. #2
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Nov 2015
      Location
      Victoria, BC Canada
      Posts
      180
      It's possible the mechanic did not add enough oil when the 70k service was done. You could plug in an OBD reader to see whether you could compare oil level readings or add a bit of oil to see whether the level changes. It's an interesting question though. Is there any way to physically verify oil level on a motor without a dipstick? I guess you could drain out the oil, measure what comes out and pour it back in again if you could do it without getting grit into the oil.
      2015 V60 T6 AWD Sport Suspension, ipd rear sway bar, 19 inch Bor wheels, Polestar Optimization, Premium Plus, Silver
      Previous: 2003 Passat 1.8T wagon, 1989 MX-6 GT 4WS, 1979 GS-1000E

    4. #3
      Quote Originally Posted by JMarkias View Post
      It's possible the mechanic did not add enough oil when the 70k service was done. You could plug in an OBD reader to see whether you could compare oil level readings or add a bit of oil to see whether the level changes. It's an interesting question though. Is there any way to physically verify oil level on a motor without a dipstick? I guess you could drain out the oil, measure what comes out and pour it back in again if you could do it without getting grit into the oil.
      I'm certainly going to put this question to the dealer. As I don't want to have anyone but Volvo drain and measure the oil. If there is an issue, Volvo needs to see it. Just curious if this could be a software glitch as no warning came on the Dash. Or a bad sensor?

      I know oil consumption issues plague 2015.5s and that my vehicle is in the affected range. Hopefully this is benign, and tech didn't fill oil levels properly, but we shall see. Dealer techs are usually on the ball, so I'd be surprised if that was the cause. Guess I need to find out if car should be towed to dealer or driven. They're 90 miles away.

    5. Remove Advertisements
      SwedeSpeed.com
      Advertisements
       

    6. #4
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      May 2018
      Location
      Edina, MN USA
      Posts
      76
      See....this is why not having a physical dipstick is a bad idea. I would have the car towed because....if it is truly that low you could harm the engine driving it....and if it is truly full....adding too much more oil could blow a seal. I would call the dealer first....hopefully they will cover the towing cost.
      2017 Volvo S60 Dynamic AWD

    7. #5
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Nov 2018
      Posts
      192
      In your situation, this is what I would do. I would start the engine, drive the car locally, watch the temperature gauge, and listen to the engine. If there are no problems, no unusual noise, and no evidence of engine overheating, then I would drive the car to the nearest reliable local independent mechanic, and ask to have the oil drained, and measured for volume. At this point, the engine will need to be filled with fresh oil. With the engine taken care of, the question remains of how to interpret the "low oil" message, and how to confirm the oil level when there is no dipstick. These are separate issues, between you and the dealer. I'm sure there is fine print in some contract that is relevant to your situation.

    8. #6
      Senior Member Wayne T5's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 2002
      Location
      Russell Twp, OH
      Posts
      12,317
      I'd call the dealer first but it should probably be towed in. Without a physical dipstick there's too high a risk of driving it and doing real damage. Plus you're under an extended warranty which would probably be voided for driving it without oil.
      Past: '94 854, '99 S70 T5 SE, '99 S70 GLT, '04 S60R M, '12 S60 T5, '13 S60 T5, '15 S60 RD, '05 V70R GT
      Present: '95 854 T-5R, '06 XC70, '15 XC70 T6, '15.5 XC60 T6, '16 V60 P*

    9. #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      I'd call the dealer first but it should probably be towed in. Without a physical dipstick there's too high a risk of driving it and doing real damage. Plus you're under an extended warranty which would probably be voided for driving it without oil.
      Ya I just reached out to my dealer. The service manager has never seen this before. He said when a car comes in with a consumption issue, it usually says low add 1 quart, etc. He's reaching out to his technician and will get back with me.

      My car is under warranty still, so if something is wrong, it's covered. However, I don't want to exacerbate anything if there is indeed a major issue going on here. I.E. Piston Ring ring issue that affects my model year 2015.5 S60 and Engine.

    10. #8
      Quote Originally Posted by leftoverture View Post
      See....this is why not having a physical dipstick is a bad idea. I would have the car towed because....if it is truly that low you could harm the engine driving it....and if it is truly full....adding too much more oil could blow a seal. I would call the dealer first....hopefully they will cover the towing cost.
      Agreed. This Digital Dipstick nonsense is total crap. I have no physical way of ascertaining whether the issue is software related, piston ring / consumption related, or a sensor. Nor do I have Vida or any other way of method of checking myself. As I'm not about to drain the oil, or have it drained, as that's something dealer would need to do. Car still under CPO so anything I attempt will be counterproductive.

    11. #9
      So here's a fun update....There's a reason why I avoid my local dealer. Suffice to say the dealer 90 miles away recommended I have local dealer redo the oil change and bill this as a possible consumption issue under the CPO. As the 70K was done under prepaid maintenance.

      The local dealer literally told me that I already used my 70K and if I want them to do an oil change, I'll need to pay out of pocket the full cost.. Along with Diagnostic They wouldn't bill CPO.

      Thank you to Volvo Road Side Assistance. Called back my preferred dealer, let them know what happened. They were apologetic and accomodating. Gave Volvo RoadSide a call and they'll pay for the tow to my preferred dealer to diagnose the issue. So I don't have to burn a AAA tow on my own dime.

      Thanks Volvo + Roadside..Good riddance to the local. Reason I hated this place and never used them.

    12. #10
      Member
      Join Date
      Aug 2017
      Location
      United States
      Posts
      3,887
      Your local dealer is right. They can't bill CPO for an oil change as part of an oil consumption case.

    13. #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Your local dealer is right. They can't bill CPO for an oil change as part of an oil consumption case.
      Preferred dealer 90 miles away wasn't thrilled. They said since the Prepaid covered the 70K, that they could either file it under the 70K and state why it had to be redone. Or do under CPO. Who knows. Maybe preferred dealer is wrong and local is right. Preferred dealer seemed pretty certain the prepaid 70K would cover it stating that something was amiss and to see what was up.

      Volvo is covering the 90 mile tow so no big deal. I like the preferred dealer much better anyway. Just a bit more inconvenient to go all that distance atm. As they have no loaners to give out. They're swamped . So unless the car is undrivable theyll do oil change and see what happens. It could be bad sensor or consumption. They said hard to tell just from low oil light.

    14. #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Your local dealer is right. They can't bill CPO for an oil change as part of an oil consumption case.
      So begins my saga... New Breather Box today. Report back in 2000 Miles. See if oil consumption issue continues. Also had a thermostat error they logged. Good 90 mile tow today and 7 hr adventure between tow, dealer, and getting home.

    15. #13
      Senior Member Wayne T5's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 2002
      Location
      Russell Twp, OH
      Posts
      12,317
      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      So begins my saga... New Breather Box today. Report back in 2000 Miles. See if oil consumption issue continues. Also had a thermostat error they logged. Good 90 mile tow today and 7 hr adventure between tow, dealer, and getting home.
      Well that's the standard playbook for this problem.

      Silver lining for you is that it happened while your car is under warranty!
      Past: '94 854, '99 S70 T5 SE, '99 S70 GLT, '04 S60R M, '12 S60 T5, '13 S60 T5, '15 S60 RD, '05 V70R GT
      Present: '95 854 T-5R, '06 XC70, '15 XC70 T6, '15.5 XC60 T6, '16 V60 P*

    16. #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      Well that's the standard playbook for this problem.

      Silver lining for you is that it happened while your car is under warranty!
      Honestly, I hope to HELL IT'S THE PISTON RINGS!

      I don't want this problem at 105,000 and be told I now have a $4000 repair because my warranty has expired. So having this documented at 72,000 miles is ideal. Now if things appear, it happened within 28,000 miles / 22 months of my CPO expiring, and is on record.

      Volvo got stuck with a 90 mile tow today and they didn't argue one bit. So Kudos to Volvo. I bet tow cost an easy $400 or $500 bucks.

      Dealer 90 miles away always treats me fantastically, so I'm not shedding a tear about the drive. I am glad the local didn't step up. Preferred Dealer has serviced my car from 10k to 70k. And done 95% of the warranty work. A few things done at local (software flash) but not a lot.
      Last edited by MyVolvoS60; 08-06-2020 at 08:21 PM.

    17. #15
      Junior Member meade18's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2018
      Posts
      632
      Sorry I just saw this thread today. I have an answer for your question of "How can the digital gauge say "low" but not give you the low "warning." I would bet money I have seen the low warning more than any other person on this board. This EXACT same thing happened to me. There is a threshold where your digital "gauge" will register as "low" but will not give you the warning. If you are indeed consuming/burning oil, you will eventually get the warning, and it will happen when your oil level is very close to the "low but no warning" threshold.

      The digital "gauge" is useful, but it is not a dipstick. It's better than a dipstick. It saved me, and probably countless other people from running their engines into oblivion. It would have saved you if you have a consumption issue and didn't check the level because I can almost guarantee you would have gotten the warning in a few days. If anyone wants a dipstick for their Drive-E, get one of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011NSX27A and the car scanner app (if you have android). It tells you the exact oil level.

      You are being treated VERY well by your preferred dealer. I had to document WAY more oil consumption before they said they needed to replace the breather box. The fact they were willing to do that for you under warranty after only one low oil indication when it easily could have been an accidental underfill is really surprising. You are fortunate.
      2015.5 Volvo V60 Premier T5 (2.0T Drive-E) FWD (with a new engine)

    18. #16
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Nov 2018
      Location
      new cumberland,pa.
      Posts
      427
      not to hijack a thread.....but I just don't see how these cars can run with this oil consumption issue. A quart every couple 100 miles? No smoke and the plugs don't foul? Also, can't I just replace my rings before any damage is done? Yes, I have a 2012, t5. And it looks like I'm losing a quart every 4,000. I know, "ok" by today's standards, not mine. This car is not run on the highway hardly any, so does that matter for this defect?

    19. #17
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Jul 2018
      Location
      Salfordville, PA
      Posts
      71
      Just as meade 18 said, I have "checked" my oil using the electronic dipstick and I have seen the "low" message. Usually just before my 5K mile oil change. If it drops below this spec, you will get a warning on your dash saying something like "low oil, add 1 quart".

      This is why one should check their oil on a regular basis so you never see the "low oil, add 1 quart". I add a 1/2 quart when I see the "low" message. Once I do, it goes back to the "OK" message.
      Don't wait for the 1 quart low message to appear as a warning. My 0.02 cents

    20. #18
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      May 2018
      Location
      Lewisberry Penn
      Posts
      908
      Don't forget there is another way to physically check your oil level.. you can drain it out into a clean pan. If you don't get enough then it was low.. if it was plenty and it's a software issue then you can just pour it back in the engine. I am fairly confident having a computer dipstick and warning messages is saving more engines than dip sticks have lately. *Most* customers with dipsticks only are not checking their oil at any sort of regular schedule.
      2006 C70 T5
      Volvo Sales Guy
      Overseas Delivery Specialist
      VCOA Member
      iRoll YouTube

    21. #19
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Jul 2018
      Posts
      375
      Quote Originally Posted by jlh3rd View Post
      not to hijack a thread.....but I just don't see how these cars can run with this oil consumption issue. A quart every couple 100 miles? No smoke and the plugs don't foul? Also, can't I just replace my rings before any damage is done? Yes, I have a 2012, t5. And it looks like I'm losing a quart every 4,000. I know, "ok" by today's standards, not mine. This car is not run on the highway hardly any, so does that matter for this defect?
      For Drive-E engines, highway driving is absolutely a factor. Pretty much the whole defect is caused by carbon build up. If a car is stuck with the bad rings and pistons, the old fashioned Italian tuneup is a good way to keep the rings clean.

      If your car has a defect, the obvious solution is to fix it. It sure beats creating a new thread every month or so.
      2017 V60 P*

    22. #20
      Member Veefifty T5AWD's Avatar
      Join Date
      Feb 2009
      Location
      Lakes Region NH
      Posts
      7,152
      Quote Originally Posted by Venth View Post
      Pretty much the [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yJoHgwiwio"]
      Great video! Thanks for sharing - always nice to see the issue and how it was corrected.
      Logan

      2015 S60 T6 AWD R-Design Polestar
      2008 S40 2.4i - hers

      Former:

      2013 C30 Polestar Limited Edition #87/250 | 2005 V50 T5 AWD | 1995 Yellow 850 T5-R

    23. #21
      Member p.rico's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 2017
      Location
      Wilmington, DE
      Posts
      1,533
      Quote Originally Posted by DFrantz View Post
      I am fairly confident having a computer dipstick and warning messages is saving more engines than dip sticks have lately.
      This. I would rather have a dipstick that tells me when I am one quart low (an otherwise trivial amount for an engine with 5-8 qts of oil) than having to open the hood to check.

      Quote Originally Posted by Venth View Post
      If your car has a defect, the obvious solution is to fix it. It sure beats creating a new thread every month or so.
      So much this.
      2012 S60 T6 AWD - Vibrant Copper - Premium Package - Climate Package - Multimedia Package - BLIS - Polestar Optimization + Mods galore
      Running intro/install/DIY thread: https://forums.swedespeed.com/showthr...w-S60-T6-Owner!

    24. #22
      Junior Member Ultrarunner511's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jul 2017
      Location
      Arizona
      Posts
      353
      Quote Originally Posted by Veefifty T5AWD View Post
      Great video! Thanks for sharing - always nice to see the issue and how it was corrected.
      I second this. Simple and easy understanding on the "updated" rings. Thank you!

      Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

    25. #23
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Oct 2014
      Location
      MetroWest Boston
      Posts
      97
      My favorite method to monitor oil consumption that I found is using Car Scanner app - it displays oil level in mm. So, as an example, for my car it displays 60-62mm right after the oil change. When it gets to about 50mm I know to add about 0.3 quarts to bring it close to 60mm again.
      2015.5 Volvo V60 T5e w/Polestar

    26. #24
      Quote Originally Posted by meade18 View Post
      Sorry I just saw this thread today. I have an answer for your question of "How can the digital gauge say "low" but not give you the low "warning." I would bet money I have seen the low warning more than any other person on this board. This EXACT same thing happened to me. There is a threshold where your digital "gauge" will register as "low" but will not give you the warning. If you are indeed consuming/burning oil, you will eventually get the warning, and it will happen when your oil level is very close to the "low but no warning" threshold.

      The digital "gauge" is useful, but it is not a dipstick. It's better than a dipstick. It saved me, and probably countless other people from running their engines into oblivion. It would have saved you if you have a consumption issue and didn't check the level because I can almost guarantee you would have gotten the warning in a few days. If anyone wants a dipstick for their Drive-E, get one of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011NSX27A and the car scanner app (if you have android). It tells you the exact oil level.

      You are being treated VERY well by your preferred dealer. I had to document WAY more oil consumption before they said they needed to replace the breather box. The fact they were willing to do that for you under warranty after only one low oil indication when it easily could have been an accidental underfill is really surprising. You are fortunate.
      That's the very reason why I Trek 90 miles each way to these guys. No nonsense dealership. They have let me down only once on seatbelt issue. Failed to retract, they insisted on lubing, and a month later the damn thing failed to retract ever again and got slammed in my door. Nice dent in the inner door lip to show for it.

      They saw a Thermostat code said the breather box was definitely gunked up an replaced. Whether the breather box is the reason the oil was burning or the pistons will be a wait and see. Come back in 2000 miles. Glad this is documented. I still got 27,500 or 22 months left on CPO. So ideally, this will get resolved sooner than later. However, since they are away of the issue, I'm not too worried. If it is the pistons, it'll show up I am sure.

      I'm not a fan of the digital dipstick. Had I not checked the levels, no message popped up warning me. I asked dealer about draining and measuring, but they said they didn't do that. They felt there was definitely a consumption issue but whether breather or piston rings is to be determined.

      Car was just serviced for 70k by them 2500 miles ago, too.

    27. #25
      Quote Originally Posted by DFrantz View Post
      Don't forget there is another way to physically check your oil level.. you can drain it out into a clean pan. If you don't get enough then it was low.. if it was plenty and it's a software issue then you can just pour it back in the engine. I am fairly confident having a computer dipstick and warning messages is saving more engines than dip sticks have lately. *Most* customers with dipsticks only are not checking their oil at any sort of regular schedule.
      Asked them about draining and measuring. Also asked local. Both said they don't do that...But preferred dealer said breather box was gunked up. Whether from the box causing consumption or piston rings spitting oil they couldn't say. But they fully believe there is a consumption issue. Their guidance was return in 2000 miles for them to check levels now that they filled up oil all the way again.

    28. #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Venth View Post
      For Drive-E engines, highway driving is absolutely a factor. Pretty much the whole defect is caused by carbon build up. If a car is stuck with the bad rings and pistons, the old fashioned Italian tuneup is a good way to keep the rings clean.

      If your car has a defect, the obvious solution is to fix it. It sure beats creating a new thread every month or so.
      Very good video. Ever since Volvo switched over to 0w20 I've had that put in my car. My engine does fall into the model with affected piston rings. They did breather box and said it was gunked up. So they want me back in 2000 miles to see where we stand on oil consumption now that pcv / breather replaced.

      Fixing it is the obvious answer, but this isn't an issue most people want to get stuck with out of pocket. So I am glad if there's a problem it's showing up under warranty. I have absolutely no technical expertise to break down an engine and replace the rings! So I'd be on the hook for a very expensive repair if it turns out to be the rings and I didn't have the existing CPO.

    29. #27
      Junior Member meade18's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2018
      Posts
      632
      Quote Originally Posted by jlh3rd View Post
      not to hijack a thread.....but I just don't see how these cars can run with this oil consumption issue. A quart every couple 100 miles? No smoke and the plugs don't foul? Also, can't I just replace my rings before any damage is done? Yes, I have a 2012, t5. And it looks like I'm losing a quart every 4,000. I know, "ok" by today's standards, not mine. This car is not run on the highway hardly any, so does that matter for this defect?
      I had oil consumption of one quart every few hundred miles (but I had a broken piston, not just defective rings) and I fouled several sets of plugs and had a ton of soot on my bumper.

      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Asked them about draining and measuring. Also asked local. Both said they don't do that...But preferred dealer said breather box was gunked up. Whether from the box causing consumption or piston rings spitting oil they couldn't say. But they fully believe there is a consumption issue. Their guidance was return in 2000 miles for them to check levels now that they filled up oil all the way again.
      According to Tech(from this forum), back when I was going through this and I didn't want to pay for a breather box replacement (cause I knew it wouldn't work), I asked why they wouldn't check the breather box to see if it actually needed to be replaced before replacing it. Tech said that the breather box had to essentially be broken apart (and couldn't be put back together) to see if it was malfunctioning, so that diagnostic wasn't actually possible. Just wanted to point that out since your dealer is saying "the breather box is gunked up." If Tech is correct, and I trust him, they were just saying that. In reality, they are just following the procedure for oil consumption on our engines. They have no idea if the breather box is bad.

      Also, not sure what the thermostat code has to do with the breather box repair. I had thermostat issues too and their solution was to... replace my thermostat. Maybe I just misunderstood what you were trying to say on that. Do you mean they just noted the code, reset it, and didn't do anything else with it?
      Last edited by meade18; 08-07-2020 at 10:57 PM.
      2015.5 Volvo V60 Premier T5 (2.0T Drive-E) FWD (with a new engine)

    30. #28
      Member
      Join Date
      Aug 2017
      Location
      United States
      Posts
      3,887
      Yeah they are likely just saying the breather box was gunked up. Taking it off, they may have noticed some build up underneath. Or maybe they were curious so the took it apart to see. If it's that "gunked up", the rings probably are too.

      They had a car with an oil consumption concern. It doesn't have any external leak so they followed the applicable TJ to replace the breather box.

    31. #29
      Quote Originally Posted by meade18 View Post
      I had oil consumption of one quart every few hundred miles (but I had a broken piston, not just defective rings) and I fouled several sets of plugs and had a ton of soot on my bumper.



      According to Tech(from this forum), back when I was going through this and I didn't want to pay for a breather box replacement (cause I knew it wouldn't work), I asked why they wouldn't check the breather box to see if it actually needed to be replaced before replacing it. Tech said that the breather box had to essentially be broken apart (and couldn't be put back together) to see if it was malfunctioning, so that diagnostic wasn't actually possible. Just wanted to point that out since your dealer is saying "the breather box is gunked up." If Tech is correct, and I trust him, they were just saying that. In reality, they are just following the procedure for oil consumption on our engines. They have no idea if the breather box is bad.
      Tech noted below that maybe technician checked the box. All I know is they said the box was dirty and blocked. So I'm taking that to mean there's oil buildup in there. We shall see where that leads me in 2000 miles. Luckily, I have a lot of faith in my dealer, so I'm sure they'll do right by me. I politely pointed out to one of the service advisors I've been with them since day one. So I see no reason why if the rings are bad, or there's a judgment call, that I'll get any push back. They know the car's history from 10k-70k and of course now at 72k.

      And honestly, I wouldn't mind bad rings. I'll get a loaner and I won't have to worry post 100K "what if the rings go bad" after warranty. So why inconvenient, I see the silver lining and am not the least bit annoyed.

      Quote Originally Posted by meade18 View Post
      Also, not sure what the thermostat code has to do with the breather box repair. I had thermostat issues too and their solution was to... replace my thermostat. Maybe I just misunderstood what you were trying to say on that. Do you mean they just noted the code, reset it, and didn't do anything else with it?
      Yes as they were checking car, they scanned for codes and found a Thermostat code without any specific error. They reset code to see if it returns since they weren't able to trace any faults.

    32. #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      Yeah they are likely just saying the breather box was gunked up. Taking it off, they may have noticed some build up underneath. Or maybe they were curious so the took it apart to see. If it's that "gunked up", the rings probably are too.

      They had a car with an oil consumption concern. It doesn't have any external leak so they followed the applicable TJ to replace the breather box.
      They said it was dirty and blocked. I didn't inquire whether they took it apart, noticed buildup, or were following the TJ. Thankfully, this is a Volvo Dealer that has always done right by me. So if my rings are bad, fantastic. I won't have to worry about a huge bill post warranty!

    33. #31
      Member
      Join Date
      Aug 2017
      Location
      United States
      Posts
      3,887
      If it's the thermostat code I see most often, there is a TJ for replacement of the thermostat that they should have done.

    34. #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Tech View Post
      If it's the thermostat code I see most often, there is a TJ for replacement of the thermostat that they should have done.
      What's the TJ number? I can mention it when I return next month to see what they say. Thanks.

    35. #33
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Feb 2017
      Location
      NJ
      Posts
      717
      Quote Originally Posted by Venth View Post
      For Drive-E engines, highway driving is absolutely a factor. Pretty much the whole defect is caused by carbon build up. If a car is stuck with the bad rings and pistons, the old fashioned Italian tuneup is a good way to keep the rings clean.

      If your car has a defect, the obvious solution is to fix it. It sure beats creating a new thread every month or so.
      Running these cars hard on the ramps, getting the RPMs in the high range on passing situations, highway runs help get that gunk out. It is a good video which gives a close up of the dire situations these cars face. Most of us will never get new rings, I had my chance last year when we took the head off for a rebuild but declined. There's no need for me to check the dipstick, I add a quart without looking every 2 fill-ups like clockwork. Burns a quart every 1K.
      2012 S60 T5 FWD & 2013 XC90 AWD

    36. #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Highwayman View Post
      Running these cars hard on the ramps, getting the RPMs in the high range on passing situations, highway runs help get that gunk out. It is a good video which gives a close up of the dire situations these cars face. Most of us will never get new rings, I had my chance last year when we took the head off for a rebuild but declined. There's no need for me to check the dipstick, I add a quart without looking every 2 fill-ups like clockwork. Burns a quart every 1K.
      I disagree. A large portion of my driving is highway. 70% probably. So I don't think it necessarily gets the gunk out. If the rings are an issue, I think it's simply because of the design flaw and the 5w30 oil that was originally used?

    37. #35
      Junior Member
      Join Date
      Jul 2018
      Posts
      375
      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      I disagree. A large portion of my driving is highway. 70% probably. So I don't think it necessarily gets the gunk out. If the rings are an issue, I think it's simply because of the design flaw and the 5w30 oil that was originally used?
      Did you watch the video..? You know the whole oil scrapper ring looking nice and plugged up on the outside and the inside showing lots of tiny holes?

      Large amounts of low load, low RPM Highway cruising at best doesn't help the issue; at worse it contributes by creating more carbon. This is the opposite of an Italian tuneup.
      Highwayman has the right idea. It's high RPM passing (like expedient passing on opposing lane on rural highways) and on-ramp acceleration (to a lesser degree), that gets the engine nice and hot.

      Next time you're on the highway (with a warmed up engine), set the transmission on manual mode; cruise on the highway at least 3-4 gears below than the usual; running at least 5000 RPM for 5 minutes.

      Our cars are tuned for max torque in low RPM (1500 in some cases) combined with a fuel efficient 8 speed transmission; these kind of driving have to be manual unless you're regularly triggering the kick-down switch on your gas pedal.
      2017 V60 P*

    38. Remove Advertisements

      Advertisements
       

    Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast

    Similar Threads

    1. tech help please - '99 C70, high oil consumption
      By rob434 in forum S70, V70 & V70XC (1998-2000)
      Replies: 5
      Last Post: 10-03-2013, 03:20 PM
    2. IMPORTANT NOTICE - Internal Links & the new forum software
      By MrTippy in forum Car Audio, Video & Mobile Electronics Forum
      Replies: 0
      Last Post: 05-07-2010, 02:37 PM
    3. TECH QUIZ, Q2: What kind of power is more important?
      By JimLill in forum R Forum (2004-2007)
      Replies: 25
      Last Post: 04-26-2008, 05:26 PM
    4. Replies: 17
      Last Post: 02-21-2007, 12:09 PM
    5. The Most Important Issue
      By adp in forum Off Topic Forum
      Replies: 30
      Last Post: 10-02-2006, 01:59 PM