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      2005 V70 with a manual transmission. I was about to pull out of a parking lot, gave it a little gas in first, then I felt a pop and lost all drive. The transmission will go into any gear I put it in, but none actually work. If I grab the driver side axle, I feel a vibration while the car is idling. Currently waiting for my ride to pick me up. Any ideas on what it could be?


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      Quote Originally Posted by JedisonsDad View Post
      2005 V70 with a manual transmission. I was about to pull out of a parking lot, gave it a little gas in first, then I felt a pop and lost all drive. The transmission will go into any gear I put it in, but none actually work. If I grab the driver side axle, I feel a vibration while the car is idling. Currently waiting for my ride to pick me up. Any ideas on what it could be?


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      Clutch lol?

      Or one of the axles is broke.


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      Doubt it’s the clutch, as it is a new clutch, maybe only 150 miles on it. Also, I wasn’t getting in it real hard, and I didn’t smell the clutch. Additionally, the axles only have 150 miles on them as well.

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      If an axle got overextended during removal and replacement, it could cause the joint to fail.

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      The driver's side axle can also pop out if was not properly seated.
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      Quote Originally Posted by vtl View Post
      The driver's side axle can also pop out if was not properly seated.
      I’m hoping this is the case, especially seeing as how I can feel a vibration and wobble in the axle. Currently waiting for a tow truck. I can look at it more once it is in the driveway. I was planning on getting it in the air anyway, as my new drilled and slotted rotors come today.

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      Axle popped out
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      Quote Originally Posted by vtl View Post
      The driver's side axle can also pop out if was not properly seated.
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      Axle popped out
      Thankfully, this was the case. Driver side axle was popped out. Tomorrow I will be changing brakes and rotors, so I will use that time to seat the axle properly. Any tips? Apparently I didnít do it right the first time....


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      Quote Originally Posted by JedisonsDad View Post
      Thankfully, this was the case. Driver side axle was popped out. Tomorrow I will be changing brakes and rotors, so I will use that time to seat the axle properly. Any tips? Apparently I didnít do it right the first time....


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      Give it a good wack in. Should click when the circlip snaps in. Youíll also be able to see that thereís no lip seal wear surface exposed anymore.
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      Should I just give it a good whack on the wheel side of the axle, being careful not to mushroom the splines?


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      Quote Originally Posted by JedisonsDad View Post
      Should I just give it a good whack on the wheel side of the axle, being careful not to mushroom the splines?


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      Grease the splines and just use inertia to clip it in. Try to not "whack" it on the other side since you are risking damaging the CVs.
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      If the circlip and splines are greased you should not need to use a hammer. Just forcefully push it onwards generating some momentum along the way. Then stick a pry bar behind it to verify that itís in there solid.


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      Quote Originally Posted by JedisonsDad View Post
      Should I just give it a good whack on the wheel side of the axle, being careful not to mushroom the splines?


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      Splines are hardened. Use a block of wood between your hammer and the splines though. Or use the block of wood as a hammer.
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      Or a plastic hammer.

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      Even with the wood, the wheel side splines mushroomed out and wonít fit back into the hub. Additionally, no matter what I do, the axle wonít stay in.

      I tried removing the axle entirely and re-spreading the c clip to make it larger, but still nothing. I even read something in the c70 forum I believe where itís supposed to be a rounded c clip, not squared, so I added some bevels, and it worked better but I can still pull it out one handed with a beer can grip.


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      After driving roughly 150 miles with this ďfixedĒ, it has happened again. What do I need to do to keep this axle in place? Iím tired of being stranded every 150 miles, especially when my work is 60 miles from home.


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      Does it sit tight when inserted? How large is the gap between transmission and inner CV?
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      Iím getting a new one replaced free under warranty because the boot managed to get torn, and the splines onboard of the C-clip got ground down.

      Does anyone know what the difference is, if there is a difference, between the axle for the automatic and manual on the 2.4 N/A?


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      New axle is doing the same thing. Iím lost with what to do.


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      IIRC, the automatic and manual axles are different lengths. The inner joints are also different.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Exocet View Post
      IIRC, the automatic and manual axles are different lengths. The inner joints are also different.

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      Is it possible that I have the shorter (assumed automatic) axle in my manual car, and that is causing it to pop out? If thatís the case, could I shim the axle on the wheel side, by putting a bushing inside the wheel spindle, between the end of the axle and the washer, to essentially extend the axle 1/2Ē or whatever the length difference might be?

      ETA: Seeing as how Volvo already did something similar to installing a bushing with their ďanti-pingĒ axle bolt, Iím going to give this a try. Just need to figure out what size bushing to use...


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      Keep in mind you need to align tone ring with the hall sensor for ABS to work.
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      Yes, the issue is how big to make the bushing. Somebody out there has to know the axle lengths.

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      An auto and manual axle will not be compatible! Aw55 and m56 use different splines and designs altogether.

      I will measure my spare OEM volvo p2 M56 axles and get you lengths.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ScottishBrick View Post
      An auto and manual axle will not be compatible! Aw55 and m56 use different splines and designs altogether.

      I will measure my spare OEM volvo p2 M56 axles and get you lengths.
      So there is no possibility of mixing the two up? I just want to make sure because I can definitely drive with this axle, until it pops out.

      I just measured, and with it what I think is installed, there is a gap of 1/8Ē between the axle and diff when I use a feeler gage.


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      This is the transmission side of the axle. Can someone with a manual measure theirs and compare to my picture?



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      Quote Originally Posted by JedisonsDad View Post
      This is the transmission side of the axle. Can someone with a manual measure theirs and compare to my picture?



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      Can you measure the seal wear surface? That doesnít look like any M56x axle Iíve ever seen. Too short.
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      So this is in fact an axle for an automatic, based off of a part number I found on the axle and then a cross reference.

      I ordered a rebuilt one from autozone that specifically stated for a manual transmission car, and the store actually showed two different part numbers for auto and manual. The stock photo in their database even looked distinctly different. So tomorrow after work I should be able to pick that one up and take side by side photos for comparison before I install it.

      Like @ScottishBrick said, the stub is too short. Itís not allowing the C-clip to get far enough into the diff and seat. Measuring with a tape measure hooked into the groove in the diff, I got roughly 7.5 cm, and as you can see from the picture the whole shaft is barely 7cm.


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      For future reference, the longer axle is for a manual, the shorter is for an automatic.


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      Quote Originally Posted by JedisonsDad View Post
      For future reference, the longer axle is for a manual, the shorter is for an automatic.


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      Ok now that looks correct
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