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      College car?

      So I’m gonna be heading off to college soon and right now I drive a 2012 s60 and I really love it I think the only problem I’m having right now it’s just I need to get a timing belt replaced ASAP… But if I were to get another car for college should I get a newer Volvo S60 let’s say 2016 or should I just keep the one I have. Also I already know some of y’all gonna be like I’ll get a Honda or Toyota but I’m just so in love with Volvos

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      Keep it on the road, and fix your timing belt. There’s a very non-zero chance someone (not necessarily you) will do something stupid in or around your car while you’re at college.

      If you’re getting the itch for a different driving experience (can’t be that bad if you’re thinking of getting another S60), do some mods to help keep your current ride interesting.
      - Find that 2013+ shifter assembly with the leather gaiter second hand
      - If you’re due for a TB, you may be coming due for a suspension refresh
      - Next time you’re due for tires, pick up a set of wheels on the classifieds, and sell your old ones to defray the expense or save them for winters.

      Set aside anything you saved by not buying a new car, on your first day on campus find your study abroad office and sign up. If possible, do two separate semesters (or a semester and a summer) in different countries.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      Keep it on the road, and fix your timing belt.
      This is the best advice.

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      I had money burning a hole in my pocket before college; just save it for a rainy day.

      Keep the car you've got. When you graduate, the money stops flowing and the bills start up. A 2012 S60 is a pretty decent car and will serve you well. I kept my college car for 10 years, after buying it 10 years old.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      Keep it on the road, and fix your timing belt. There’s a very non-zero chance someone (not necessarily you) will do something stupid in or around your car while you’re at college.

      If you’re getting the itch for a different driving experience (can’t be that bad if you’re thinking of getting another S60), do some mods to help keep your current ride interesting.
      - Find that 2013+ shifter assembly with the leather gaiter second hand
      - If you’re due for a TB, you may be coming due for a suspension refresh
      - Next time you’re due for tires, pick up a set of wheels on the classifieds, and sell your old ones to defray the expense or save them for winters.

      Set aside anything you saved by not buying a new car, on your first day on campus find your study abroad office and sign up. If possible, do two separate semesters (or a semester and a summer) in different countries.
      Good advice. On the study abroad thing, I wish someone had told me to do it. I never looked into it while I was in college, but my wife lived in France for a year and she loved it. I have no doubt I would have enjoyed study abroad if I had just forced myself out of my comfort zone. But you can't go back in time. My parents leased a new car for me while I was in college. The original plan was for me to buy it off lease after, but I wrecked it twice during the lease, so I didn't think it was worth it. I bought a $3,000 car instead. If I could have done it over again, I would have had them get me the $3,000 car at the beginning of college, put the rest of the money towards study abroad, and then kept that car running (or bought another $3,000 car) after graduation.
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      Keep your car running as long as possible and pay your college as much as you can out of pocket. I only came out with ~$25K of loans after 9 years of school, but I could have done better if I had used the money I earned during my co-ops and summer research programs to pay loans back instead of spending it on toys (four cars during that span).

      Find a shop nearby or a car group on campus and use their tools/expertise to help keep the car going. That is how I avoided big bills to repair shops.

      Where are you going/studying?
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      Keep the S60 you have for sure. Get the timing belt replaced and it should be good to go. No reason to spend money on a new car for now IMO, especially to just get a slightly newer one.
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      Thank y’all so much I was going to keep it anyway I love it too much just wanted to get some of y’all’s opinion 135 568 miles so far and I’m going to get my timing belt replaced and it’s no oil pressure thing fixed also I am due for some tires soon so I’m deathly gonna do that in the gearshift oh yeah totally

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      College is definitely more important than the car. Choose a course of study you enjoy, do not do something only because a family member did or to follow in someone else's footsteps. If you like food preparation, go to chef school and work in a restaurant while you study to pay off debt. If you like cars, find out about getting part time work in a shop or a tech school.

      Always start with a community college if you are unsure what you want to do. College debt can be a problem these days. Fix the Volvo or find a good shop to fix it. Get a small loan from a family member to fix your car and then find a job to pay off that family member. I worked throughout my 4 years at college and paid off my debt before I graduated but that was from 1989 to 1993 when college was cheaper.
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      Hopefully you’ve fixed the oil pressure problem first.
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      After going through so many cars over the years, there is ALWAYS another car. I recommend fixing your 2012, even if its a few thousand dollars it will be cheaper than a newer car. Get through the next four years of college and after graduation, celebrate and treat yourself to a new(er) car or keep it going.
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      Fix the existing car and save the remaining cash so that after graduation you can buy a house, condo, apartment etc or pay off your student loans. Cars are depreciating money pits. If you are concerned about reliability and cheap cost of ownership you should have bought a Honda.
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      Cars are depreciating money pits.
      I have learned that lesson the hard way with my S60. When I purchased it I was single and the payment was reasonable. Three years in my life and perspective are different. I’m still keeping it, the maintenance costs are often more reasonable then a new vehicle purchase, and that is my advice to you OP

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      Quote Originally Posted by Quingod12 View Post
      So I’m gonna be heading off to college soon and right now I drive a 2012 s60 and I really love it I think the only problem I’m having right now it’s just I need to get a timing belt replaced ASAP… But if I were to get another car for college should I get a newer Volvo S60 let’s say 2016 or should I just keep the one I have. Also I already know some of y’all gonna be like I’ll get a Honda or Toyota but I’m just so in love with Volvos
      Keep one you got. Fix timing belt. The 2015s and 16s can develop oil consumption issues on the Drive-E's. Also, depending on how long you've owned the 2012, you know its history. Plus, you're a college kid. Better to have a reliable and [B]safe[/B kick] around car right now. Don't need the fanciest and newest.

      Depending on where you go, some colleges don't even allow freshman to have a vehicle, assuming this will be your first year,
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      Quote Originally Posted by meade18 View Post
      Good advice. On the study abroad thing, I wish someone had told me to do it. I never looked into it while I was in college, but my wife lived in France for a year and she loved it. I have no doubt I would have enjoyed study abroad if I had just forced myself out of my comfort zone. But you can't go back in time. My parents leased a new car for me while I was in college. The original plan was for me to buy it off lease after, but I wrecked it twice during the lease, so I didn't think it was worth it. I bought a $3,000 car instead. If I could have done it over again, I would have had them get me the $3,000 car at the beginning of college, put the rest of the money towards study abroad, and then kept that car running (or bought another $3,000 car) after graduation.
      Always envied those who got to do those study abroad programs. Imagine they were never cheap. My college had a trip to Mexico or Spain planned but man it wasn't cheap. Nothing like being a poor college kid. Guess the experience is better if your family isn't broke during those days.

      I've tried to make up for lack of travel in my childhood by living vicariously in my adulthood. Wish I was a millionaire and had the means to spend my life traveling. I really enjoy going to new places and exploring.

      I had a 1999 Corolla (still that POS) for my college days. New then old now of course. Kick around car these days with 210,000+ miles.

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      Quote Originally Posted by p.rico View Post
      Keep your car running as long as possible and pay your college as much as you can out of pocket. I only came out with ~$25K of loans after 9 years of school, but I could have done better if I had used the money I earned during my co-ops and summer research programs to pay loans back instead of spending it on toys (four cars during that span).

      Find a shop nearby or a car group on campus and use their tools/expertise to help keep the car going. That is how I avoided big bills to repair shops.

      Where are you going/studying?
      Lifetime Student? Or you study to be a Lawyer / Doctor? 9 Yrs is PHD material.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Always envied those who got to do those study abroad programs. Imagine they were never cheap. My college had a trip to Mexico or Spain planned but man it wasn't cheap. Nothing like being a poor college kid. Guess the experience is better if your family isn't broke during those days.

      I went to a small liberal arts college on an 85% academic scholarship. My parents chipped in the balance, which was less then what the FAFSA said they should be responsible for. Room & board went on federal student loans that are now paid down to about $3500. After I “proved myself” freshman year, my grandma helped me out with books the next three years. I moved home for the summers work 80+ hours a week, which allowed me to bank $3-5k spending money for the year, and in the three semesters after study abroad I was “allowed” to take a car to campus (1988 Silver Gray Metallic 244 with ~ 200k miles), so I was able to get a job at a friend’s dad’s pharmacy delivering prescriptions for about $100 a week.

      The study abroad program I participated cost the same as a semester on our campus, but instead of having one roommate we had to have two. We paid a nominal fee to the college (like $100), paid for a passport, and bought a discounted round trip ticket to London ($700-ish). This allowed me to live and study in Regents Park in Central London for approximately 100 days. If I had done nothing else this would still have been one of the most formative experiences of my life. I also met the person who would later become my spouse. I ended up spending a bit more in the semester than I generally did in a full year on campus ($5-6k), as London is/was more expensive that most everywhere in the US, and I took short trips to Paris, Dublin, Nice, and a longer trip to Italy. Once I exhausted my savings, I ran up a couple grand on a credit card 🤷*♂️ and it was absolutely worth it.

      After college, I went to grad school and worked a series I’d $hi++¥ jobs, so we weren’t able to travel for about ten years, and even the trips we’ve taken the past few years (including a return to London) were largely possible because of points we earned on our credit cards (which we use like debit cards). I’ve found no opportunity as an adult to live and travel abroad as an adult for 100 days so economically.

      It’s also work noting that there is a significant difference between an established regular semester/year long study abroad program, and a ad how educational trip, which sounds like what MyVolvoS60 might be referencing. Those aren’t generally covered by financial aid in any way, and can be very expensive. Like any other programmed/guided trip they are good for tracing to places that may otherwise be challenging to go for whatever reason. A professor at my college did one to Moscow and StPete my senior year, and the JR College where my parents live did one to Cuba soon after I finished college. Both were several weeks, and cost more than I spent my entire semester abroad.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Lifetime Student? Or you study to be a Lawyer / Doctor? 9 Yrs is PHD material.
      Ph.D. in Materials Science and Engineering.

      It took nine for me since I took a fall, spring and summer co-op to work in industry, graduated off cycle in December and spent the spring/summer between degrees to work on campus at an NSF research center (all of which was well worth the added time).

      I never really had the opportunity for a study abroad, had no money for that sort of thing, but then again I spent eight years in Germany as a child so it was kind of a moot point. 🙂
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      I went to a small liberal arts college on an 85% academic scholarship. My parents chipped in the balance, which was less then what the FAFSA said they should be responsible for. Room & board went on federal student loans that are now paid down to about $3500. After I “proved myself” freshman year, my grandma helped me out with books the next three years. I moved home for the summers work 80+ hours a week, which allowed me to bank $3-5k spending money for the year, and in the three semesters after study abroad I was “allowed” to take a car to campus (1988 Silver Gray Metallic 244 with ~ 200k miles), so I was able to get a job at a friend’s dad’s pharmacy delivering prescriptions for about $100 a week.
      A lot of colleges these days prohibit on campus freshman from driving for safety reasons. I.E. First time away from home, tendencies to party, etc. Probably a thing more so these now than in the past. I never lived on campus (went to local colleges) so can't speak for how it was ~20 yrs ago when I was in college.

      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      The study abroad program I participated cost the same as a semester on our campus, but instead of having one roommate we had to have two. We paid a nominal fee to the college (like $100), paid for a passport, and bought a discounted round trip ticket to London ($700-ish). This allowed me to live and study in Regents Park in Central London for approximately 100 days. If I had done nothing else this would still have been one of the most formative experiences of my life. I also met the person who would later become my spouse. I ended up spending a bit more in the semester than I generally did in a full year on campus ($5-6k), as London is/was more expensive that most everywhere in the US, and I took short trips to Paris, Dublin, Nice, and a longer trip to Italy. Once I exhausted my savings, I ran up a couple grand on a credit card 🤷*♂️ and it was absolutely worth it.
      I believe you are correct on the reciprocity aspect of study abroad. Never did one. I do know my college did those "guided tours" and they were several thousand dollars. For someone whose family didn't have a lot of money, might as well have asked for a million bucks plus interest.

      I can only imagine the lifetime experiences one garners from study abroad. My cousin did one of those and had a blast.

      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      After college, I went to grad school and worked a series I’d $hi++¥ jobs, so we weren’t able to travel for about ten years, and even the trips we’ve taken the past few years (including a return to London) were largely possible because of points we earned on our credit cards (which we use like debit cards). I’ve found no opportunity as an adult to live and travel abroad as an adult for 100 days so economically.
      Hotel Credit Cards / Reward points have bought me a ton of free vacations. Spent 3 Weeks in Europe with Choice Hotel Points. London, Paris, Dublin, Rome, Scotland, Stockholm, etc. Once in lifetime experience and all I had to cover was an airline ticket that cost $800 bucks, food, a few tours, Entrance fees and travel within Europe. Can only imagine my trip for 3 weeks would have been at least another $2500-3500 more had I paid for hotels. Course, there are always hostels... Not my cup of tea.

      At the time, they had a tiered system and it was SUPER EASY to book and locate hotels. Signed up for their credit card, as did a family member, plus stayed at choice a decent amount. Even after 3 weeks, I came back with enough days to give a family member a week of hotel stays for their wedding present. I just burned the last of my days on a trip I recently took.

      For travel, Choice Hotels (comfort inn, quality inn, etc) still has the better international network. I have a sh*tload of Hilton Points now (about 20 days worth), but their value and expansive locations aren't nearly on par with Choice Hotels.

      Signing up for their credit cards, spending on them, and staying at their hotels accumulates points pretty fast. The last of my Choice Points shacked me up in a $250 / night hotel out west for a whopping $80. Did one night with points plus cash, just so I had a few points to spare on way back.

      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      It’s also work noting that there is a significant difference between an established regular semester/year long study abroad program, and a ad how educational trip, which sounds like what MyVolvoS60 might be referencing. Those aren’t generally covered by financial aid in any way, and can be very expensive. Like any other programmed/guided trip they are good for tracing to places that may otherwise be challenging to go for whatever reason. A professor at my college did one to Moscow and StPete my senior year, and the JR College where my parents live did one to Cuba soon after I finished college. Both were several weeks, and cost more than I spent my entire semester abroad.

      Well not really hijacked. He's asking about college life, car, etc. We're giving him our experiences and advice. And you again are correct, those guided tours were expensive. Study Abroad I believe is a reciprocal setup.

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      Quote Originally Posted by p.rico View Post
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      It took nine for me since I took a fall, spring and summer co-op to work in industry, graduated off cycle in December and spent the spring/summer between degrees to work on campus at an NSF research center (all of which was well worth the added time).

      I never really had the opportunity for a study abroad, had no money for that sort of thing,but then again I spent eight years in Germany as a child so it was kind of a moot point. 🙂
      8 years in Germany sounds fun. Never been there. I imagine you were military brat child?

      Sounds like you made very good use of those nine years! Some college kids take that 30 year path either due to financial limitations, work, kids, etc. Take a couple classes per semester which then takes a lifetime to graduate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      A lot of colleges these days prohibit on campus freshman from driving for safety reasons. I.E. First time away from home, tendencies to party, etc. Probably a thing more so these now than in the past. I never lived on campus (went to local colleges) so can't speak for how it was ~20 yrs ago when I was in college.
      That’s about when I went to college too. It was the same deal back then some schools allowed Freshman to park, others not, and at some the permit was so expensive a lot of people couldn’t afford it regardless. My school was in a small city in “fly-over” country with not realistic intercity travel options, plus a pretty high percentage of locals that drove everyday. You could usually hitch a ride home or talk someone into helping you run and errand, but things were much simpler with a car especially if you wanted to work off campus (and you did because all the good on campus jobs were taken by kids with connections, many who didn’t really NEED the money).

      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Course, there are always hostels... Not my cup of tea.
      I did some of those, but they’re not really my thing either. Now there is also Couch Surfing, AirBnB, etc which is often a bit cheaper than hotels and gives you the opportunity to save by preparing some of your own meals, but that’s a double edged sword because there’s a lot of experiencial value in experiencing the food scene.

      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      Signing up for their credit cards, spending on them...accumulates points pretty fast.
      I’d recommend one of the flexible programs (Chase, Amex, Citi) as opposed to locking into a single travel brand...just as long as your not overextending yourself. Bonus is most CCs have better fraud protections, etc than Debit cards...but there’s other websites entirely dedicated to this.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post
      8 years in Germany sounds fun. Never been there. I imagine you were military brat child?

      Sounds like you made very good use of those nine years! Some college kids take that 30 year path either due to financial limitations, work, kids, etc. Take a couple classes per semester which then takes a lifetime to graduate.
      Yes, Army. I've lived all over the country (CA, KS, KY, TN, GA, SC, MD, DE) and Puerto Rico (where my family is from) as well. Blessed to have the experiences I've had.

      Regarding OP though, I see he's been asking questions about wheels, upgrades, and other things in other threads. I don't know the financial situation you're in, but I'd save the money. Trust me on this. Use it for better things.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chicago_UnCommon_Bricks View Post
      I did some of those, but they’re not really my thing either. Now there is also Couch Surfing, AirBnB, etc which is often a bit cheaper than hotels and gives you the opportunity to save by preparing some of your own meals, but that’s a double edged sword because there’s a lot of experiencial value in experiencing the food scene.


      I’d recommend one of the flexible programs (Chase, Amex, Citi) as opposed to locking into a single travel brand...just as long as your not overextending yourself. Bonus is most CCs have better fraud protections, etc than Debit cards...but there’s other websites entirely dedicated to this.
      I have a Choice Visa and Hilton Amex. I use them for regular daily purchases and for stays at their respective hotels. As I said, signing up for Choice got me almost a free month of hotels which I exhausted recently on a road trip. But also gave me 3 weeks in Europe, too. And a week gifted to a family member.

      So I've gotten some rather nice perks out of my ordinary life's activities. I don't spend to spend. Just do what needs done. Groceries, Bills, etc etc.

      Far as Amex Hilton Goes, along the same lines. We took a very expensive family vacation a few years ago, and the whole family was shacked up at Hilton. Made sense to get their credit card before the trip. And now I'm sitting pretty on about 400,000 points between their credit card offers (have 2 of them), ordinary spending, etc.

      Hilton's network of hotels isn't on par with choice, but I plan to use them on a trip at some point. There's easily enough for about 12-20 days depending on how they're spent.

      Yep, most do have fraud detection. Hilton also provides extended warranties on items purchased with their credit card. I believe Hilton's credit card doesn't charge a foreign transaction fee, too. Not that I've needed that recently. But at some point, I do intend to take a trip using those points.

      I definitely do not go out of my way to make unintended purchased just for "points". I just am savvy about signing up for credit cards with great promotional offers. Which is what I did with Choice and Hilton. Out of those 400K points probably 250,000? of them came from signup up for 2 different cards that required $1,000 be spent within 3 months. Pretty easy to achieve. Other 125K-150k came from that vacation, normal spending, etc. Same for the Choice.

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      Yes, Army. I've lived all over the country (CA, KS, KY, TN, GA, SC, MD, DE) and Puerto Rico (where my family is from) as well. Blessed to have the experiences I've had.

      Regarding OP though, I see he's been asking questions about wheels, upgrades, and other things in other threads. I don't know the financial situation you're in, but I'd save the money. Trust me on this. Use it for better things.
      Nothing like the feel of independence and having money in your pocket. Problem is, when you're that age, saving doesn't sound logical. I think OP should hold off, repair his existing car, and let it be. No Wheels, Mods, etc aren't a necessity. As a college kid, unless your family is well off, expect to be poor. So save that money for a rainy day!!!

      Quote Originally Posted by p.rico View Post
      Yes, Army. I've lived all over the country (CA, KS, KY, TN, GA, SC, MD, DE) and Puerto Rico (where my family is from) as well. Blessed to have the experiences I've had.
      Catch 22 I guess. I know military kids get uprooted a lot, so making friends and moving away from old ones is quite a task in resiliency. Some probably adjust better than others.

      Then again, you get to see a lot of the country, and even the world, which most kids never get to do. Gives you a well rounded view of life outside of one's tiny bubble. Did you get to go elsewhere in Europe while in Germany? Your family travel around to other surrounding countries?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MyVolvoS60 View Post

      Catch 22 I guess. I know military kids get uprooted a lot, so making friends and moving away from old ones is quite a task in resiliency. Some probably adjust better than others.

      Then again, you get to see a lot of the country, and even the world, which most kids never get to do. Gives you a well rounded view of life outside of one's tiny bubble. Did you get to go elsewhere in Europe while in Germany? Your family travel around to other surrounding countries?
      Yes, I don't have any real childhood friends, but I've learned to make friends where I am.

      We went all over the place, both as a family and through field trips at school. Visited many of the western European countries on multiple occasions. I never made it up to the UK or west to Spain, but did France, Italy multiple times, and all the surrounding countries many times (Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, etc).

      While young, I remember a good deal of my time there (we left when I was 11). One of my favorites was the Army MWR resort that was in Berchestgaden called the General Walker Hotel. It was in the Obersalzberg region, which was spiritual home of the SS and Hitler's favorite hangout (his mountain home, the Berghof) was just down the hill. The hotel and the area has a very sordid past, and once we gave it back to the Germans in the early 2000's, they wanted nothing of it and razed it. A good read about the former site: https://oldtopographer.net/2015/07/2...berchtesgaden/

      Another of my vivid memories (in the literal sense) is my visit to Dachau. As a 7 year old, seeing a former concentration camp site and the images of the Jewish captives in the museum are memories that will never leave me.
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      Quote Originally Posted by meade18 View Post
      I bought a $3,000 car instead. If I could have done it over again, I would have had them get me the $3,000 car at the beginning of college, put the rest of the money towards study abroad, and then kept that car running (or bought another $3,000 car) after graduation.
      So what's a "$3,000 car" these days? I'm going to need one for my oldest soon
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      If you're not using the car to commute to school then just sell it or leave it at home. For my kids having a car at school (the few times they did) was more of a hassle then it was worth. Having a car is a liability on most college campuses.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      If you're not using the car to commute to school then just sell it or leave it at home. For my kids having a car at school (the few times they did) was more of a hassle then it was worth. Having a car is a liability on most college campuses.
      Most likely my son will be commuting to school at least the first year or two, so yeah something cheap but reliable. I was contemplating handing him down my '12 S60 but that may be too much
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      If I had to buy a $3000 car right now and it had to be a Volvo it would be the old body XC90 with the 3.2 engine which has a chain, AWD, is fairly reliable and at about 4500 pounds is very crash-worthy. Where I think most parents make a mistake is getting their college kids a sporty car. 2007 model year debuted the XC90 with the 3.2 engine so I would get 2008 and above as I try to avoid first year engine changes.
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      What about 2008-2009 S40? They go for about $5K
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      Quote Originally Posted by npn View Post
      Most likely my son will be commuting to school at least the first year or two, so yeah something cheap but reliable. I was contemplating handing him down my '12 S60 but that may be too much
      I think your car would be fine for that, then you get to get a new one!
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      I think your car would be fine for that, then you get to get a new one!
      With $5k used cars sometimes the devil you know...
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      Can’t agree with XC90 for new driver... only time all that weight is on your side is in a collision... rest of the time it’s momentum that needs to be managed carefully to avoid getting into that collision
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      Quote Originally Posted by Wayne T5 View Post
      I think your car would be fine for that, then you get to get a new one!
      KBB's price. I'm shocked it's that low
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