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    1. #1
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      It's time to say goodbye

      As much as we loved our XC90, we had to say goodbye today. Dropped her off at the dealership and ordered a BMW X7 M50i.
      We had a 2019 MY T6 Inscription and enjoyed for the most part the past 18 months of ownership. Zero mechanical issues whatsoever, one rear brake disc/pad replacement free of charge, and numerous software updates of course. Cracked the sunroof when a rock bounced of our roof carrier and into the glass. And scraped one wheel.

      Got an offer that works for the trade in, plus the added tax break. The X7 is pretty much twice the cost we paid for our XC90, but well worth it. Some may disagree, but we're good with it.

      In case anyone is wondering or thinking of doing the same here's what drove us to switch.
      - Engine...when fully loaded with my family and all our stuff for cross country trips, the 2.0l really struggled at highway speeds. I could hear the engine working hard especially against cross winds and head winds. We also used a roof carrier so that didn't help any. It's amazing what they've done with the 2.0l, but the XC90 really needs more displacement/cylinders/etc to move the car smoothly and keep things going
      - Space...the XC90 started to feel cramped. We came from the new Honda Pilot and it was cavernous on the inside. We thought we could deal with the XC90's more refined cabin space and proximity, but in the end it just didn't work out for us. On long road trips my wife couldn't stretch out and felt the seats were too narrow...she wanted to adjust more side to side. I think it was the center tunnel...it's so high and rigid, was always bumping up to her knee and legs. There wasn't much storage space in the center console as well. Second row was cramped for my adult kids. Also, limited recline settings and limited storage.
      - Technology...the center screen is good and bad. Keeps things simple, but then complicates things when you need to adjust a setting. I'll admit we didn't dive into the screen too much as we didn't use auto-park, or other features, but with the main page only holding a few apps, you had to dig deeper to get to other apps. Also, no USB ports except for in the front. I know you can plug an adapter in the 12v socket, but come on, it's a 2019 with no USB ports anywhere past the front seats
      - Parking Cameras...there's no easy way to get the 360 camera view when the parking sensors activate. With such a large screen you'd think they could display both the 360 view and the parking sensors...BMW and most other makes can do this. Given the orientation of the screen, the Volvo can only show one view at a time.
      - Ride Comfort...we didn't get the air suspension, so the ride was harsh when the road got just a little but rough. The 21" wheels with the low profile tires picked up quite a bit of road noise.

      The X7 isn't for everyone and may not fit your needs for style, comfort, price, etc. Just wanted to provide my feedback here just in case anyone is thinking of switching or wants some feedback after 18 months of ownership.

      I appreciate all the helpful posts and owners here. Who knows depending one what Volvo comes out with later I may be back for something smaller or electrified for in and around town.

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      Enjoy the x7 it’s a nice looking suv and it’s a bmw so power should be plenty. Thanks for sharing on the forum.


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      Thanks for sharing. I've seen some X7s on the road and I really dig the large and in charge look. I can only imagine how beastly the M50i spec is.

      I'm curious to hear your thoughts on: for the class/price bracket it plays in, does it feel like an S-class or even a sub-Bentley level car?
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      Congrats! I'm sure the X7 will be great.

      Never found our XC90 to be under-powered, even on "long family road trips." Quite the contrary, the engine isn't working hard at all and yields excellent fuel economy (28 MPG.)

      The XC90 isn't a particularly large vehicle. We have a Honda Pilot as well and the Pilot feels much more roomy. If you really want comfort, look for a big SUV made in the USA. Think Yukon, Suburban.
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      That front end on the X7 - incredibly ugly. Someone at BMW needs to be fired over the way their front grills are going. Bigger (in terms of the grill) is not always better! But, as I always say, each to their own - good luck in the world of BMW .. and get rid of it before the factory warranty expires!!!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Noonzio View Post
      That front end on the X7 - incredibly ugly. Someone at BMW needs to be fired over the way their front grills are going. Bigger (in terms of the grill) is not always better! But, as I always say, each to their own - good luck in the world of BMW .. and get rid of it before the factory warranty expires!!!
      Sorry, they are catering to the Chinese market's style desires first now, which prefers bigger grills everywhere; NA is now the secondary/tertiary market. I suppose if this continues and the markets' tastes continue to diverge, they may have different "faces" for different markets at some point. But that's a lot of cost since its not just the fascia.

      From https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...series-grille/


      BMW says that the massive grille on the 2020 7er is a response to customer demand from the car's two largest markets. Yes, you people made America No. 2, but approximately 20,000 buyers made China No. 1. So when BMW says it was responding to those customer groups, the Chinese were about 150 percent louder than the Americans—and restraint is apparently not high on the list of Chinese automotive priorities.

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      My uncle has the X7 and it is a nice car. Agree with many that the front grille is little too big for my liking but it seems to check all the boxes for your needs. Ultimately, you have to do what works for you. Good luck with your new car!

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      Quote Originally Posted by razl View Post
      Sorry, they are catering to the Chinese market's style desires first now, which prefers bigger grills everywhere; NA is now the secondary/tertiary market. I suppose if this continues and the markets' tastes continue to diverge, they may have different "faces" for different markets at some point. But that's a lot of cost since its not just the fascia.

      From https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...series-grille/


      BMW says that the massive grille on the 2020 7er is a response to customer demand from the car's two largest markets. Yes, you people made America No. 2, but approximately 20,000 buyers made China No. 1. So when BMW says it was responding to those customer groups, the Chinese were about 150 percent louder than the Americans—and restraint is apparently not high on the list of Chinese automotive priorities.
      Chinese are also complaining the big mouth, maybe 150% louder also. BMW is just making excuses.

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      Lol ..the grille is very fitting to the size of the SUV. They are no bigger then those of Audi and Lexus and only slightly larger then those on our XC90.

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      Thanks for all the well wishes...looking forward to getting it here in the next month or so.

      Here's my input on some of the questions/comments posted.
      For the class/price bracket it plays in, does it feel like an S-class or even a sub-Bentley level car?
      - Yes it does, especially when it comes to the seats and overall feel of the interior. We did look at the GLS, but didn't like the screens for the dash. I really wanted to compare the M50i with the AMG GLS 63, but those are impossible to find.

      Never found our XC90 to be under-powered, even on "long family road trips." Quite the contrary, the engine isn't working hard at all and yields excellent fuel economy (28 MPG.)
      - We use a large Yakima topper. With that fully loaded, 4 adults, a dog, and my wife's overpacking tendencies, the engine is working harder to push all that weight around with the wind resistance. I typically drive with the stereo off or very low, so I can hear and feel the engine even though the XC90 is pretty quiet overall. The topper impacts gas mileage quite a bit, but I was still disappointed in what I was getting driving around the city. I know it's a heavy car, but if the goal was to improve numbers with a more efficient 2.0l engine, it misses the mark. And yes, the M50i is going to be worse, much worse, but tons more fun, more room, more everything.

      That front end on the X7 - incredibly ugly
      - Agree to a certain extent, with the X7 being so large the grill size is proportional plus we optioned for a blacked out grill and overall blacked out all the chrome pieces...M50i pretty much comes that way. I couldn't deal with all the chrome and the cleaning involved. Have you seen the new 3 and 4 series models with the grill that's even bigger...they are going to lose a lot of long time customers with those grills. It's really bad. I won't even consider a new M3 or M4 with those grills regardless of performance.

      get rid of it before the factory warranty expires
      - haha, lots of similar comments when I was shopping for the XC90. Unfortunately we don't have a Steingold BMW dealer who sells extended warranty's at a awesome price.
      The below was what I got quoted to me from a discount dealer...not the one I'm buying the car from. And based on my search of two BMW forums not many people opt for the extended warranty. I bought the XC90 extended warranty and Mike is working the cancellations and refunds now.
      BMW prices below and they are outrageous, especially the maintenance.
      60 months/75k miles $3200
      60 months/100k miles $3650
      72 months/75k miles $3900
      72 months/100k miles $4450
      84 months/75k miles $4550
      84 months/100k miles $5600

      Maintenance (upgraded brakes included)
      48 months/50k miles $1849
      60 months/75k miles $3049
      72 months/100k miles $4599
      84 months/125k miles $5899

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      I can’t agree about the engine. I drove 6500 miles with 7 people and a cargo carrier top. We went up pikes peak, mr Rushmore, glacier national park, grand Tetons and god knows where else. I never once felt the car was under powered. Even when we were in Montana and my cruise was set to 90mph it felt more than adequate. Cross winds was horrible on two way roads. Going down hill I felt brakes were under powered.

      I agree about the 360 camera angle. It should be a setting that can be saved but to be honest I rarely use it. Enjoy your new ride.
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      I read all those bullet points for the switch and besides Tech, sounds like a minivan would've suited your needs well above any SUV/Crossover could meet.

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      Quote Originally Posted by OURDESIGN View Post
      Lol .. here we go again with the minivan theory. As if this topic hasn’t been beat to death in every SUV forum already.
      Why would anyone in their right mind give up their sole for a minivan? I don’t even know if I would call that settling. More so giving up on life.
      I couldn't care what anyone on any forum chooses as their next car. It was a sarcastic response based on some truth.

      If one really valued ride comfort and space and wasn't so stuck on worrying about what other people thought about the car they drove, a minivan meets that criteria better. My R Design will never touch that Odyssey that I rented for a 1000-mile road trip last year.

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      i commute in the Bursting blue wagon but when it’s time for the entire family (3 kids) to head out, the kids automatically walk towards the Odyssey. They prefer the space.


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      Here's the real reason we're getting the X7.

      I tried to buy a 2020 Porsche Cayman GT4, Guards Red, Satin Aurum (bronze) wheels, the works basically. Wife said her X7 comes first. So this a gateway vehicle to my GT4.

      Are either vehicles practical...hell no.
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      Quote Originally Posted by saejin View Post
      Here's the real reason we're getting the X7.

      I tried to buy a 2020 Porsche Cayman GT4, Guards Red, Satin Aurum (bronze) wheels, the works basically. Wife said her X7 comes first. So this a gateway vehicle to my GT4.

      Are either vehicles practical...hell no.
      We traded the XC90 in on an M2 CS. The X5 is coming in next week to effectively replace it though. You just got your priorities mixed up with which one should have come first.

      Congrats the X7 though.
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      I've never sold BMW but every brand I have sold has had a dealer somewhere selling warranties pretty much just over cost... I hope you find a forum as good as this one for your new ride.

      Volvo does have the XC100 in the works. I suspect if it comes with with any gas motor it will be a T8 configuration, so that would address both the power and size concerns. Hopefully they keep moving the bar up in terms of luxury features and NVH concerns. Enjoy, and hopefully we'll see you again down the road!
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      If I were replacing our car today, X7 m50i would be the winner. I'm not in love with the styling, but it's a great overall package. I prefer the XC90 looks and honestly size (the X5 is too small and the nice configs don't do 3rd row).

      Enjoy and give us an update down the road. Personally, I'm holding out that the 2022 XC90 (or maybe XC100) is awesome, we'll probably buy within a year of that coming out, we had good luck with the 2016 XC90 in terms of reliability/issues, and that was a massive platform re-design, so I wouldn't hesitate to buy a first model year 3rd gen XC90. However, if the XC90/100 misses the mark, X7 M50i is on the short list, perhaps a 1-2 year old certified one. If they make a Blackwing Escalade, may be hard to ignore that one as well. Fingers crossed for Volvo.

      I got to replace my wife's car prior to my next, but given how little we drive, I will probably go from the Tesla to a 911 GTS 7spd Manual, I do need that tiny backseat, but GT4 is such an awesome car.
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      Looks like we all share a love of the same cars. I just read about the XC100, but I have yet to jump into the hybrid or EV world. I’m sure anything we get after the X7 will be in that space.

      Speaking of which, I believe the next iterations of the 911 and Cayman/Boxters will be hybrid/EV, so the next 5 years may be the only chances we get for a full air-breather. There’s always used market, but it’s inevitable our kids will be driving fully electric vehicles and bringing the grandkids over to see grandpa’s impractical sports car that needs gas.

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