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      A.M.O fee

      Hello,

      I'm in the process of looking for a new CPO XC90 and noticed that one of the dealers that gave me a quote included a $695 A.M.O fee.
      I asked the dealer for an explanation and he said
      The A.M.O is a transfer fee for the pre-installed theft tracking system. It is not a re-occurring charge, and you can let your insurance company know about it when you insure the car, and they typically give your a reimbursement on your policy.
      Anyone can confirm if this is a legit fee and if it require by Volvo when transfering a CPO car to a new owner?

      Thank you in advance for your response.
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      Definitely this is not something from Volvo directly. When we were buying my brothers new XC60, the dealer pushed us to add an aftermarket antitheft device and we refused. My guess is this XC90 has something similar and the dealer is pushing to transfer the same to you and adding that cost to your purchase. I would push back on it if you are not really looking for adding it.

      I bought a CPO last year and didn't had this.

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      Quote Originally Posted by kailani View Post
      $695 A.M.O fee.
      Ok - NOBODY steals a Volvo, so an aftermarket vehicle tracking system is not needed! And if you have Volvo on call which is free with your new car for 3 years set up on your phone - tracking or location is in the Volvo app! There's a picture and address of where your car is at any time!

      That fee is entirely profit for someone! Similar to extended warranties.

      Just tell them you don't want the tracking and they can deactivate/remove it - but you do not want that service and will chose a different car at a different dealer if necessary to avoid being sold something you do no need.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hoonk View Post
      Ok - NOBODY steals a Volvo, so an aftermarket vehicle tracking system is not needed! And if you have Volvo on call which is free with your new car for 3 years set up on your phone - tracking or location is in the Volvo app! There's a picture and address of where your car is at any time!

      That fee is entirely profit for someone! Similar to extended warranties.

      Just tell them you don't want the tracking and they can deactivate/remove it - but you do not want that service and will chose a different car at a different dealer if necessary to avoid being sold something you do no need.
      Although you can't see the Volvo's location when it's in use using the On Call App, you can when it's parked. And I generally agree with that in regards to stealing a Volvo. Rental cars are stolen often by failing to return and such.

      On our 2017, one of the salesmen tried selling the anti theft stuff to us. He tried to cite stats on how luxury cars are stolen at higher rates. He didn't realize what I *might* do for a living. I cited real life stats and he wasn't very happy with me. But he didn't try to sell it any longer

      Since you brought up the extended warranty, whole different playing field. And sometimes it works out very well. $20,000+ in extended warranty work on the 2017. Paid for itself 6 times over.

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      My 2019 did not have this. A year ago, I spoke to VOC support and if your Volvo is ever stolen, they will give the police the location if the cops call VOC with the vin. They will also disable the car if a cop is following it.

      I’d agree with the other posters, that Volvo’s are not frequently stolen. There’s better and easier targets out there.
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      VOC used to show only points A, B for T6, but it showed the entire route from A to B for T8. Even VOC App doesn't show location while the car is in use, the server does track the car's location while the car is in use.

      https://www.volvocars.com/en-ca/supp...t-and-tracking

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      Thank you everyone for the feedback. I agree about the statement regarding stealing volvo's.
      Also, CPO cars comes with 1 year free of on-call service.
      I wonder what other fun fees other dealers will come up when ask for a quote
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      That's most certainly a dealer add on. They aren't pure profit as suggested above, but they are probably 90% profit. Warranties are not pure profit either.. and in a competitive market probably probably not much... the venders that sell on here aren't making much at all as there is a real cost and they're just living off the volume. That being said... their might be a legit insurance savings too... call your insurance company. But I doubt it's any sort of active system... So find out what it is, and it's probably passive, and see if that helps with insurance or not. Its probably the glass etching or something like that... So it would just be a passive method... and your insurance company may not care at all... which is the likely situation. Even if it's already applied to the car, they'd have to be a real sleazy place to demand you pay for it. These things are much more common at the dealers with super low prices... they slip it in on enough, or have uncompetitive warranty rates and finance rates in order to make up for losing a little bit on the car. Of course... some dealers will try to sell at high prices and have mile long addendum sheets just to have every possible chance of profit. Someone will just say yes, and by the time you catch it all you're still probably too far into the deal to just walk away.. an awkward conversation later, they take it off and things go forward.
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      if that is a payment reminder device/gps tracker absolutely do not accept a car with it. ive worked for buy here pay here dealers that used those, they are annoying when they work, when they dont work, they can disable your vehicle. and they need to be tapped into all kinds of ignition switch wires, which i would highly not recommend on a newer volvo. the ones im refering to are like this http://ontimedevice.com/

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      Quote Originally Posted by brich999 View Post
      if that is a payment reminder device/gps tracker absolutely do not accept a car with it. ive worked for buy here pay here dealers that used those, they are annoying when they work, when they dont work, they can disable your vehicle. and they need to be tapped into all kinds of ignition switch wires, which i would highly not recommend on a newer volvo. the ones im refering to are like this http://ontimedevice.com/
      Oh yeah... I didn't even think of that... but I don't think I've ever heard of having them transferred (unless you're also a bit low on the credit score). But they can cause wiring issues.
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      @brich999 this reminds me of the old days when 3rd party alarm system was a common thing, and people will get their car stuck all the time when the systems stop working
      I'm not sure if the device is a location tracking device or a payment reminder (this is the first time I hear about this being a thing), but I will ask the dealer to remove it if that is the case.
      I also told the dealer what my out the door price (including tax and DMV fees) and that I'm not going to pay for any additional fees.
      I am waiting to see if they are willing to negotiate on the price.
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      FWIW some of the additional fees are legit, sometimes required by law in some states. Here in PA our "Document fee" used to be capped at $144... (we could charge less, but no more.. and so everyone charged $144). Well then the state themselves did an audit and found the avg real cost per transaction for the dealerships to do all the documents was $394, and so they raised the max fee to that. It's not required by the state here in PA, but it is a real cost in personnel. Some states REQUIRE all customers pay the same fees. We're asked to provide a reason why it's different if we do charge a different amount for someone (for employees, for example, we charge a lower amount). My point is... demanding no fees at all, at the very least, means those cost are going to end up in the price instead. In some states, it would be against the law not to charge them. But still it pays to pay attention and make sure everything is justified.
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      @DFrantz thank you for the explanation, i have no issue with paying DMV fees and doc fees as long as they are normal amount.
      Here is the quote:
      Price 39,996.00
      Taxable A.M.O 695.00
      Document Processing Charge 85.00
      Emissions Testing Charge 0.00
      Sales Tax 9.750 3,975.66
      Non-Tax A.M. O. 0.00
      Setvice Contract 0.00
      Luxury Tax 0.00
      Subtotal 44,751.66
      DMV Fees 638.00
      Total Insurance 0.00
      State Emissions Cenification or Exemption Fee 8.00
      California Tire Fee 0.00
      Total 45,389.66
      Amount Financed 35,389.66
      Finance Charges 2,755.34
      Total of Payments 38,145.00
      Total Sale Price 48,145.00

      Beside the A.M.O for 695 charge everything else looks normal to me ($85 doc processing fee, and $638 for DMV fee).
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      Yeah that looks pretty straight forward. Nice that they include the interest charge in the quote. I assume you haven't given them credit info yet, so that's likely just a good guess, but nice to see all the same.
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      No credit info yet. I'm not going to do so until I choose the specific car I want to get. I made an offer similar to another car I'm looking at in another dealership that is an inscription model but with a little higher mileage. We will see if they are willing to lower the price at all.

      I also got the car's last service record and confirmed that the vehicle had its 40k service, and tires and breaks are in good shape.
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      It's a bit regional I believe, but up until this month we have really aggressive rates from Volvo for all CPOs... now it's just the old P2 and P3 cars. But I always recommend you go in knowing what you can get from your own bank and then letting the dealer beat it. No reason to give credit information until you've decided on a car AND a deal.
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      This specific dealer offers me a 3% APR for 60 months as part of the quote that I believe is the standard going rate this month.
      I checked with my primary bank that I have another loan with, and the best they can offer me is 2.9%.
      I recall that Volvo offered 2% last month, but maybe that was for new cars.
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      Yes, last month in our area Volvo had 1.99% for 60 months for CPO. 2.99% is a good rate for 60 mo in my area right now.
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      3% sounds about average, from what I hear, but, for the sake of me, I don't understand why rates are not coming down.
      I would not pay a POSITIVE rate at this point, given expected returns on markets, if I could afford paying cash. As a matter of fact, my better half and I just got new cars for cash, because there is no way I am staying in a market with a PE of 35.
      Sorry, I get myself sidetracked fast...

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      @DFrantz do you know if the rates for 36 and 48 month are lower then 3%?
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      Quote Originally Posted by kailani View Post
      @DFrantz do you know if the rates for 36 and 48 month are lower then 3%?
      Not with the finance companies I work with, that tends to be where a local bank or credit union might do a little better for you. Frankly there is so little interest at that point that many banks don't really care whether or not they are competitive at that term. I've seen credit unions work well there... but even that two I work directly with at my store don't give better "short term" rates than they do for 60 months.
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      Those fees are state-to-state competitive, I understand that. Most industries work that way in terms of supply and demand. But I just bought a CPO from Merrimack Street Volvo in Manchester, NH (nearest competitor is 18 mi away) with almost no fees. Shop around if you have time you will find a more honest dealership.

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